slawko
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What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 12:18 am

Well everyone seems to be post these type of topics, and they all seem to be US airlines so I thought I'd throw in some CanCon (Cunucks among us will know what that is)

I personally think that future international routes should include:
YYZ/YYC/YWG - KBP with the 767-200ER or the A330
YEG/YYC - NRT with the A330
YEG/YYC - Osaka With the A330
YVR/YYZ - Singapore with the A340/744
YYZ/YUL - Capetown with the 767-300er
YYZ/YUL - Santiago with the A330/767
YUL/YYZ/YYC/YVR - BJS with the A330/340
YYZ/YVR - Shanghai with the A330
YYZ/YUL - MOW with the 767-200er
YYZ/YVR/YYC - Bangkok with the A330
YYZ/YUL - Madrid with the 767's
YYZ/YUL - Lisbon with the 767's
YYZ/YVR/YUL - Buenos Aires wiht the 767's
YYZ/YVR/YUL - Montovideo with the 767's
YYZ - Cairo with the 767's
YYZ/YUL - Prauge with the 767's


Just a few of the endless possibilities that are ahead of Air Canada...........If you think about it the pretty much own the rights to the entire world....
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
SR3496
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 12:59 am

They could start flights to Ulan Bator, Tbilisi, Malabo or Minsk?!? 
No, Prague and Singapore, why not.
SR3496
 
Neo
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 1:03 am

I guess your overeacting in your thoughts, i mean too much to Asia, !!!!! and AirCAnada does not have the enough planes to cover that!!! Capetown, blind shot!!! Prauge, maybe codeshare.......... Cairo, who would fly that? Buenos Aires , yeah i agree on that. Montevideu, never........ no one flies there!!!!

I think you should analyze and see that your dreaming to much , maybe in future....ok?
 
johnboy
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 1:29 am

Toronto-Jo'burg/Capetown doesn't sound like an unreasonable flight to me!
 
AC183
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 1:47 am

Keep in mind that their A340-500's will stretch their range capabilities, and also that there are plenty of new routes for regional, and US flights as well as long-haul, so I would say:

Toronto-Vienna
Toronto-Indianapolis
Toronto/Montreal-Rome/Milan
Toronto-Dusseldorf
Vancouver-Singapore
Calgary-Washington Dulles
Winnipeg-Minneapolis
Edmonton-Regina
Toronto-Orange County (when they can get slots)
Toronto-Johannesburg
Halifax/St.John's-Frankfurt
Ottawa-Frankfurt
Toronto-Salt Lake City
Vancouver-Pheonix
Vancouver-Las Vegas
Toronto-Rio de Janeiro/Buenos Aires (expand service)
Toronto-Madrid
Toronto-Lisbon
Vancouver-Bangkok
Vancouver-Shanghai
Ottawa-Denver
Halifax-Chicago
 
Samurai 777
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My List (and A Note For Neo)

Sat Jun 24, 2000 3:13 am

Neo: Keep this in mind next time you want to make any comments like that - AC has plans to order as many as 125 a/c, and since it's merging with Canadian Airlines, more routes to Asia are logical. Toronto-Jo'burg is actually a very good possibilty, as I don't think SAA flies to Toronto! Toronto is a pretty multicultural city and Canada's largest city with about 5 million people, so almost anything can happen!

Here's my list:
I know that may sound quite a bit for Edmonton, but I'm not that crazy enough to see a YEG-Moscow route or a YEG-Newark route, cause I know that won't happen!

Edmonton-San Francisco
Edmonton-DFW
Edmonton-Frankfurt
Edmonton-London
Edmonton-Calgary-Phoenix
Calgary-Seattle
Toronto-Vancouver-Delhi (An A340-500 could do this)
Vancouver-Honolulu-Sydney
Vancouver-Honolulu-Brisbane
Calgary-Las Vegas
Calgary-Salt Lake City
Grande Prairie, AB - Vancouver (Sounds crazy? Not if you realize how many people there go to the West Coast! And that'll likely be on a regional)
Edmonton-Whitehorse (Another one that sounds crazy, but it's not! Probably via Grande Prairie to fill seats.)
Vancouver-Anchorage
Edmonton-Anchorage(I see a possibility - this route was flown before in the '70s, probably by NWA)
 
AC_767
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 4:25 am

Wait a minute guys, you guys all all predicting routes for every city except for AC's new hub, YUL! If any airport is going to get more new routes then YVR, it's gonna be YUL. They are the one that's expanding a lot so they're gonna get a lot of routes too.

For YUL, I predict:

Madrid
Lisbon
Munich
Milan/Rome
Buenos Aires
Rio
Caracas
Charlotte
Raleigh/Durham
St. Louis
Copenhagen
Vienna
Sao Paulo
Lima
Monterrey and Acapulco???
Beirut, Algers and Tunis!!!
Warsaw

What is this:

Halifax/St.John's-Frankfurt????????????
Ottawa-Frankfurt??????????
 
AC183
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 5:40 am

Ottawa-Frankfurt makes sense when you consider that they could cut one of the Ottawa-London flights and split the connecting traffic off to Frankfurt.

Rumour had it that AC was looking at operating the A319's across the atlantic, so Halifax/St.John's-Frankfurt could work.

I don't see a whole lot of new growth at YUL until such a time as they get their terminal expansion done. YUL-St. Louis, or YUL-New Orleans could work, or several other transborder destinations or maybe Mexico City, but Copenhagen and Munich only have 1 YYZ flight a day as it is, so I don't see the market to add a YUL flight as well. Same goes with a lot of other overseas destinations.
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 6:53 am

Looks like Milton is not waiting after ADM for YUL's expansion. There is already +17% cap. increase for YUL this summer. That's less than YYZ at around +21% but more than YVR at around +14%.
There is rumors LH will start flying with their own plane next year on top of AC's one so to make YUL <> FRA 2/daily.
There is already 2/week to Rome with CP. As soon as regs. problems with Alitalia are over, YUL is supposed to get something close to daily for both Rome and Milan, probably next season.
I'd see YUL <> Madrid and Lisbon easily if nobody from their side of the Atlantic starts anything.
An obvious one for YUL would be Lyon despite the very heavy existing presence of TS on this run from YMX.
For Cairo, I'd rather see it from YUL than YYZ since more than half of the Canada <> Egypt pax traffic is from Québec.
For South America, I think YYZ will have the lion's share for geographical and market reasons. Mexico City, currently served 4/week by MX, should be upgraded to daily. May be Caracas, but apart from that...
Eventually (2 to 5 years horizon), I guess Munich, Copenhagen or Amsterdam are possibilities. Crossing our fingers for a flight to Asia one of these days.
For the US, a few more like Houston and better coverage of mid-size cities (half or 1 million pop. metro. area) of the NE for better connection possibilities. This new Air Sprint might solve that.
One thing particular about YUL is the pax in transit proportion is only around 15%, so there is a lot of room for catch up.
 
Noise
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 7:14 am

I think all of you people are underestimating YUL. We have people from all over the globe and your saying that International routes won't work out? Are you guys out of your minds???

I think flights to Europe and to Houston, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham and other american cities will come very soon. Flights to Africa, South America and the Middle East will come within the next 5 years.

It will be a long time before we see flights from YUL to the Pacific rim and Ausie.

Montreal is the second biggest city in Canada, YUL the fastest growing airport in Canada and is propably the best city in N. America. It's belive it or not, a booming city, there are cranes everywhere. You will see, after all this expansion is done, YUL will get a lot bigger, and have routes to a lot more destinations.

You can see the expansion, just to go this site :
http://www.cam.org/~hill/YULextention.jpeg
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 7:15 am

 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 9:18 am

I forgot YUL <> Vienna. Last rumors is an Austrian Airl. return next summer serving both YUL and YYZ. For Mr. Noise: YUL expansion plan: I think ADM drags its feet like hell. Construction has just begun, if we can say construction: there's only construction trailers and a few bulldozers at the moment. And once it's finished in 4 years, it will be probably overwhelmed. By the look of it, it would suffice only to the current traffic level. The new US and int. jettys project is only worth 500 millions CAD. For an int. airport expansion, we're not breaking any world record...especially when you measure it against the needs. With the current economic expansion underway in Mtl, YUL will be a nightmare more than ever in the coming years. Bonne Saint-Jean quand même!
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 9:42 am

I don't know if Dorval will be hell in a few years, but whatever, your propably right, with our damn french seperatist. The PQ's goal is to destroy Montreal beacause this is where all the English people live, so first destroy the airport, wich IS in a very english part of Montreal, then destroy what is left. It's sad, very sad. Every country in the world is learning that English is the universal language except Quebec. Although Montreal is a booming city with lot's of english here, and the french are smartning up, becoming non-separitists, the PQ will always be there to destroy all what the smart did. Out of all the places my grand-parents had to imigrate, it had to be Quebec. Montreal is a great city and is totaly NON-SEPERATIST, but we live in Quebec, and the PQs rule, but hopefully soon, the Liberals will take over.

What I am talking about, this isn't politics, we are supposed to be talking about Ac's futur destinations. Sorry guys!
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sat Jun 24, 2000 3:50 pm

I'll just say for you Mr.Noise that it is sad to see somebody of your young age falling into these depths of fanaticism and integricism.
 
ywg777
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 12:08 am

Here is my predictions for new routes for Air Canada.
Toronto-Cario
Toronto-Cape Town
Toronto-Honolulu-Manila
Ottawa-Paris
Halifax-Miami
Montreal- Honolulu
Montreal-Victoria
Thunder Bay-Chicago
Winnipeg-London
Winnipeg-Los Angeles
Winnipeg- San Fransisco
Winnipeg-Washighton/Dulles
Winnipeg-Phoenix
Winnipeg-Vancouver-Hong Kong- Manila(Yes Winnipeg has a very large Phillippino Population.
Winnipeg-New York/ JFK
Regina- Chicago
Saskatoon-Chicago
Calgary-Hong Kong
Calgary- Tokyo
Edmonton- London
Edmonton-St. Louis
Vancouver-New York/JFK
Vancouver-Paris
Vancouver-Miami
Vancouver- Manila
Vancouver-Ancharage
Victoria- Ottawa
Victoria-Winnipeg
Victoria-Honolulu

YWG777 
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 1:16 am

Beirut would be a goodie, lots of Lebanese in Canada, and business links in both directions (I sometimes get the impression Canada seeks ties with countries the US State Dept are having hissy fits with - Lebanon, Cuba, Iran. Gawd bless em). The biggest expat Sri Lankan community is in Toronto, so Colombo would be less silly than you might think. Not sure about the yields, though. Do AC still fly to India? I remember they used to fly LHR-BOM-SIN for a few years, not sure what happened to that! A couple of their 747 Classics had 'Singapore!' across the tail under the maple leaf.

So: Beirut, Colombo, Bombay, Delhi, Singapore.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
Noise
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 2:16 am

Toronto should have flights to Beirut, Colombo, Bombay, Delhi and Singapore soon. Montreal-Beriut and Montreal-Colombo would work out but flights to Bombay, Delhi and Singapore is out of the question.

YWG777
Ottawa-Paris
Halifax-Miami
Toronto-Cario
Toronto-Cape Town
Toronto-Honolulu-Manila
Regina- Chicago
Saskatoon-Chicago
Calgary-Hong Kong
Calgary- Tokyo
Montreal-Honolulu

Those routes could work out, but I am not too sure about the other routes

Montreal-Victoria ?
Winnipeg-London ?
Edmonton- London ?
Edmonton-St. Louis ?

They could, but I don't see how. Winnipeg isn't very big, so the flight to LHR might not work as well, same thing for Edmonton-London.

If there are going to be flights from Edmonton-St. Louis it will be with TWA, they have a very big hub there and I think they will be the one to do that.

Montreal-Victoria? Victoria isn't big at all so it can't work.
 
Samurai 777
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Noise And Cedarjet

Sun Jun 25, 2000 2:48 am

Noise - the URL link you posted is a bad one, I'm afraid. Not to mention, that even after a little tweaking, it looks like a link to a guitar album site! (That's after I deleted the YULextention part from the address.) I kinda wonder what that has to do with Montreal or YUL. Besides I didn't see any difference in the correction you were trying to make. Sorry, if I'm being harsh or something like that, but I just wanted to point it out to you.

Cedarjet - AC to Beirut? That does sound good, but I'm honestly not sure about AC flying into a region where there has been fighting recently (N. Lebanon) within 2-3 years. But you're right about the Lebanese community in Canada - I have known a few friends of Lebanese descent in the past. Beirut has improved in the last several years, that's what I've heard, so AC could well fly there or get a codeshare with MEA (via LHR), a little farther down the road. Colombo may be a problem because of the fighting in Sri Lanka, so AC might be wary of flying there. Delhi, Singapore and Mumbai(formerly Bombay, actually) are very likely, as there are indeed a lot of East Indians living in Canada. And who could refuse Singapore, one of the Asian economic tigers, and a very busy port in SE Asia?
 
Samurai 777
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 4:04 am

Even I don't see how Montreal-Honolulu and Halifax-Miami would work. Frankly there'd be not enough of a market to justify these routes.

And I must disagree with Edmonton-London(LHR), as this route may work out 5-7 years down the road. Edmonton's been jilted out of international and transborder routes for too long, because airlines want to go into Calgary(there are however, valid rasons for that) and it's time that YEG got at least some of those back. I've lived in Edmonton long enough to know what's happened out there. But I do agree that YEG-STL isn't going to work, and I don't think TWA would see Edmonton as a market worth serving.
 
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RE: Noise And Cedarjet

Sun Jun 25, 2000 7:56 am

You shouldn't have deleted YULextension. You had to replace it with dorvalairport. The site's URL is http://www.cam.org/~hill/dorvalairport.html .

Now does it look like a Guitar album site???

Go to the recent news section and you will find the news on the expansion.

Bu the way, you said it was a bad one. Why is it a bad one?
 
AC183
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RE: Noise And Cedarjet

Sun Jun 25, 2000 8:08 am

I think he was saying the link was bad ie- didn't work.

Ottawa-Paris wouldn't work.

None of the JFK flights will ever happen. Period. AC doesn't fly into JFK, it uses EWR and LGA.

YEG-STL, no way.

Overseas flights from Edmonton and Winnipeg, maybe eventually. Right now I think the transborder routes are far more important to develop. YEG and YWG are emerging markets, and transborder growth would drive eventual overseas growth.

Halifax-Miami? Nope, that's a sunspot flight, which is a market the charters dominate. Same probably goes with Montreal-Honululu, although that could possibly work with Australian connections thrown in.

Victoria is mainly a tourism market. WestJet and the charters will continue to dominate that, so YUL or YWG aren't really up there in AC's interests. Besides, AC dropped YYC-YYJ flights, that should tell you something- low yield! And YYJ-HNL won't happen either.

Manila could work, but it would be connections in Vancouver.

Saskatchewan-Chicago probably won't happen. Maybe Denver, though. But no US preclearance.

Thunder Bay doesn't have enough demand for a Chicago flight, I would say. Also, again, no US preclearance.

Vancouver-Newark would be a good route, as would Vancouver-Anchorage.

Winnipeg-Pheonix wouldn't work for AC, although I see potential for America West there.

Also, Toronto-Reno might work.
 
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Millions Of Miles....

Sun Jun 25, 2000 8:23 am

Hi Slawko,

just out of curiosity.... How much do you fly Air Canada?

 
Samurai 777
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To Noise

Sun Jun 25, 2000 9:27 am

I honestly don't know how computer or Web - literate you are, but when someone says it's a bad link, you shouldn't take it too literally. This has nothing to do with the quality of the website. AC183's right. It actually means that the link doesn't work (you get this "Not Found" or "Forbidden" on a blank screen or an Error 404 message from the server). Or it can also mean that you get a completely different website from the one you wanted to see. I've even run into a couple of porno sites and in one case, a racist hate site(Jee-zus, there sure are some sick people out there!), when I wanted a completely different (and G- or PG-rated) site! Fortunately, this is very rare, as Web servers and ISPs will usually make sure things like this don't happen, especially when children are using the Internet and that parents often have valid safety concerns about their kids surfing the Net.

BTW the newly corrected link you set up does work - and the YUL Enthusiasts Page is actually a pretty good website about YUL!
 
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RE: To Noise

Sun Jun 25, 2000 10:28 am

YEG-DFW??? that would not work
however i think that YVR,YYZ,YUL-DFW would work
 
MikeYEG
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Expansion At YEG

Sun Jun 25, 2000 10:40 am

Remember, there is an expansion going on that will increase the size of Edmonton-YEG International by something like 3/4 again its size. You can look at a lot of the ATB stuff at www.edmontonairports.com/

Also, YEG has a long history of international flights. According to the 07 Apr 1991 copy of the Canadi>n timetable, there was a 744/D10 service to HNL, and D10s to NRT, LHR, and FRA. AC operated an extra segment on AC850/851 (YYC-YEG-LHR r/t) with L1011-500s, 747-200 Combis, 767-300ER, then A340s. I don't know the exact date the flight was discontinued, but i know it was operating as recently as last summer.

NW has increased capacity with 2 A319s and a 320 going to MSP.
 
dellatorre
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RE: New AC Routes.

Sun Jun 25, 2000 10:50 am

Some new routes that would enhance Air Canada route system would be:

YYZ-GIG 4/week with 767-300
YYZ-ANC daily A320
YYZ-SCL 3/week 767-300
YYZ-MAD 5/week A330
YYZ-FCO 4/week A340
YYZ-HNL-SYD daily A340
YYZ-YVR-BKK daily A340
YYZ-DUB daily 767-200

YUL-MEX daily A320
YUL-ZRH daily 767-300
YUL-YYC-NRT daily 767-300
YUL-PHX daily A319
YUL-HNL daily 767-200

YYC-NRT daily 767-300
YYC-HNL daily 767-200
YYC-IAD daily A319
YYC-ATL daily A319
YYC-STL daily A319
YYC-PHX 2daily A319

YVR-CDG 4/week A340
YVR-BKK daily A340
YVR-SHA 3/week 767-300
YVR-SYD daily A340

YOW-LAX daily A320

I think that would do it!!!!!!

 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 10:50 am

YVR-KUL
YVR-(HNL-)(AKL-)SYD-MEL
YVR-SIN
YVR-FUK
YEG-LHR
YEG-SFO
YYC-FRA
YYC-(YEG-)NRT
YYC-IAD
YEG-/YYC-/YWG-DEN all taken over by mainline AC from AirBC

Big increases to Europe/Asia/Africa from YYZ/YUL, maybe YOW-FRA 1x weekly or something.

Big increases in domestic capacity, and of course the new low-fare and charter divisions of AC. I guess the one thing we know for sure is not much will stay the same.  
 
AC183
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Delatorre

Sun Jun 25, 2000 11:04 am

Delatorre, YYZ-HNL-SYD is in operation or will start within a week, but due to bilaterals it has to be on CP metal. YVR-SYD is too far for nonstop until the 340-500's come, so until then it stops in HNL as well (actually pools traffic to SYD with the YYZ flight). YYZ-DUB is one I've heard they're looking at. YYC-HNL I'm not convinced that there's enough traffic for, hubbing at YVR is adaquete. YVR doesn't have much Francophone population, so CDG would probably not work. YOW-DEN is (IMHO) more likely as a starting point than YOW-LAX.

Also, MikeYEG, there is already daily YYC-FRA, and has been for a few years. Also, UA does all the YYC-DEN flights. The YWG-DEN and YEG-DEN flights probably will be taken over by AC mainline instead of AirBC, that is when new aircraft orders come. Adding AC on YYC-DEN might happen, too.
 
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RE:AC183

Sun Jun 25, 2000 11:13 am

What about:

YYZ-YVR-BKK, YUL-YYC-NRT and YUL-ZRH????????
 
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RE: AC183

Sun Jun 25, 2000 11:22 am

I had forgotten about the YYC-FRA flights, while I could have sworn that BC had at least one flight from YYC-DEN on the 146.

Maybe YEG-FRA summer seasonal 1x weekly on the 767-200ER, and a winter seasonal YEG-YYC-HNL also with the 767-200ER. Maybe AC Leisure will take up many of those sunspot destinations though.

I know there is a market for YEG-LHR, the question is when and how often?

BTW, LOT Polish Airlines flies between YEG and Warsaw on a regular schedule. No, I don't understand it either, but it is an international flight.

Cheers,
MikeYEG
 
ywg777
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 11:41 am

Here is another one I thought of
YYC-TLV
Also I can see happening a YWG-LAX route in a couple of years?
YWG777
 
Samurai 777
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 12:00 pm

Happy777

A YEG-DFW route might work out in the future, as Edmonton, like the rest of Alberta probably has enough oil company and other links to Texas-based firms to warrant this. Also, DFW is a major hub airport with excellent connections to the rest of the southern US. (the only problem is that this is an AA hub, and AA is not a Star Alliance partner)

MikeYEG

Judging by your username, you must be an Edmontonian, or at least from the Greater Edmonton area. Well, you're right on a lot of counts. Canadian did indeed used to have flights out of YEG to NRT and FRA. I'm not sure about LHR, but then again, if that's what the timetable said, I think it did fly directly to LHR or at least via YYC. AC certainly did fly to LHR. Flights to LHR were axed in 1997-1998, actually.

LOT Polish Airlines does serve YEG with 767-300ER(I think), but only during the summer, though. There must be a fair number of people of Polish descent in and those with strong Polish business links in Edmonton. There really is a twice-daily flight to DEN on the 146.

I hear that a new direct flight from YEG to either FRA or LHR(most likely FRA by far) is supposed to start up as early as next spring. The ERAA has been lobbying aggressively for this. (AC183, I told you about this, remember?)

Well, I'm a little surprised at NW now starting to use A320s in addition to A319s from YEG to MSP. Normally, DC-9-30 or -50s have been used besides the A319s.
 
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RE: Samurai 777

Sun Jun 25, 2000 12:10 pm

The last NW flight to arrive YEG, and the 10:05 am flight are operated with the A320. I would suspect a big reason for the capacity increase would be Delta pulling out of YEG-SLC. Though I wonder if DL will restart service to YEG with their new AC codeshare.

Where did you hear about this FRA flight? I assume that it would be operated by AC. I've only heard about YEG-LHR restarting.

Thanks.

Cheers,
MikeYEG
 
AC183
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Sun Jun 25, 2000 12:20 pm

FYI guys, YEG had both LHR and FRA nonstops a few years ago, I have a route map to prove it. In fact, at the time of AC's 50th anniversary in 1987, I have a copy of enRoute magazine that shows both routes while YYC only had LHR!

Samurai777, I remember well that you said ERAA wanted FRA or LHR nonstops. I certainly look forward to this happening, but I am skeptical in the meantime, I mean just before AC axed the YEG-YYC-LHR service they said the same thing, and just before YEG-LHR nonstops were axed they were making bold predictions of new flights. Also, as I've said before, I think YEG needs to concentrate on US flights first, as it's a bigger market, and it's more of an inconvenience to change planes for a 2 or 3 hour hop into the US than for a 8-10 hour flight to Europe...

YEG-DFW would almost certainly be AA, if anyone. YEG-IAH would be more likely as an oil business route on AC, if anything, although loads on YYC-IAH are poor, so it's unlikely.
 
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RE:AC183

Sun Jun 25, 2000 12:28 pm

YYZ-YVR-BKK, YUL-YYC-NRT and YUL-ZRH????????

YVR-BKK is possible (actually it's on AC's shortlist that they've mentioned), although I don't see the logic in extending it to YYZ. By putting a connection in the middle it's better, because that way domestic passengers could be carried as well.

I also don't see the logic in extending YUL-Asia with a stop in it. Besides, I don't think Montreal is anywhere near as good of a market for Asian flights as Toronto. A Calgary-Asia nonstop would be superb, however: tons of Asian tourists flock to Calgary every year. The problem is not that YYC-NRT wouldn't work, it's a matter of AC not wanting to siphon off from the YVR hub, unfortunately. I am hoping one of the charter carriers (Canada3000, probably) gets permission to fly Nagoya-Calgary like they've wanted to, that should open the door to YYC-Asia nonstops.

YUL-ZRH could work, although perhaps flying to Geneva would complement AC's route sytem more nicely? What do you think?
 
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Real URL Noise Tried To Post

Sun Jun 25, 2000 12:34 pm

Hi all, I noticed that Noise had posted a URL that is actually part of my web page. I think the image may have been lost on a server crash recently, but here's the URL for the main page. It's The montreal Dorval Airport Enthusiast Page.
http://www.cam.org/~hill/dorvalairport.html

The music page mentioned is also mine, but nothing to do with Dorval obviously.

Anyway, what I think would work from Montreal are:

YUL-Beirut
YUL-Lyon (AF has 2 daily and AC has 1 to Paris, you would think a second French city should do well)
YUL-Rome at least 4 times a week should do well, as long as Alitalia doesn't start as well. But either airline would be nice on the route.

That's my 2 cents.
 
777YYC
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CP YYC-NRT

Sun Jun 25, 2000 1:22 pm

Didn't CP used to fly YYC-NRT once a week with a DC10?
 
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MikeYEG

Sun Jun 25, 2000 2:34 pm

Although LHR is a plausible nonstop destination for YEG to have, I was thinking FRA as the most likely. They haven't said anything about a specific city in Europe, as far as I know. They're probably keeping this quiet until it's time. FRA is most likely because Edmonton and the area around it has a fair-sized number of German-Canadians and businesses with strong links to Germany. Add to that German tourists who want to go up north to Yellowknife or Northern Alberta, or to Jasper and even West Ed (oh, yeah, I see a number of them there at the mall, but then again, there's not much else to see in Edmonton), and you've got a nonstop flight to FRA from YEG.
 
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RE: MikeYEG

Mon Jun 26, 2000 1:23 am

Not sure that FRA is most likely... YYC has 2 daily LHR flights, and only 1 FRA, so it would make more sense to me to simply move one of the LHR flights over to YEG. If it was LH looking at the route though, I could see a new FRA flight for the reasons you state, as well as because LH would probably like to expand its Canadian routes.
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Mon Jun 26, 2000 1:30 am

I dont think that AC will fly to India any time soon.
They used to fly 747s to bombay and then A340s to Delhi but dropped out because although traffic was high, yields were low. Plus, being part of Star Alliance they can code share with Lufthansa who fly 747-400s to India 16 times a week and are planning on increasing frequencies there. Plus, UA is starting twice daily 747-400 services to Delhi this year and AC can always code share with them via the Star alliance group.

Ditto for Beirut - code share with Lufthansa via FRA.
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RE: Millions Of Miles....

Mon Jun 26, 2000 8:25 am

Why do you ask????
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: Millions Of Miles....

Mon Jun 26, 2000 11:13 am

you seem very knowledgeable (spelling?)

I fly significantly... I fly AC...

Just curious like my question earlier....

last year I did a little over 86,500 qualifying miles on AC alone. (just in case you ask me first.)

I should actually take GIV-SP off and replace it with "millions of miles" or something like that... perhaps more appropriate.
 
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RE: CP YYC-NRT

Mon Jun 26, 2000 11:47 am

Yep, I believe it was seasonal, only in the summer on Sunday using DC-10s.
 
ywg777
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Mon Jun 26, 2000 12:24 pm

I think AC should expand oit of the smaller cities in Canada. The medium size cities should see more growth in Transborder flights and Larger aircraft flying to the airports. Any routes?
YWG777
 
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RE: Millions Of Miles....

Tue Jun 27, 2000 8:02 am

Actually I am not a frequent flyer of AC....I did my co-op placement there this year, and was priviy to lots of kool information, and I also got to see a lot of interesting stuff go on i.e the terminal shuffle (behind the scenes) I just like to stay informed, I know a lot of people, and so we are always exchanging information....anything we hear we like to pass on, subscribing to the YYZNews e-mail newsletter helps a lot too.........
"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Tue Jun 27, 2000 8:20 am

YYZ-IND
YVR-IND
 
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RE: To Slawko

Tue Jun 27, 2000 8:30 am

Slawko, you said you good a lot of information to private stuff. My question is to you, what do you know about AC's performance at yul? or anything related to YUL?

Any information would be very much appreciated!
MARK
 
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RE: What New Routes Would You Predict For Air Canada..

Tue Jun 27, 2000 2:50 pm

INRCREASE FREQUENCY OF FLIGHTS TO SEOUL, KOREA! And use a bigger plane! It is desperately needed, especially with Vancouver's huge Korean population! I'm looking for a ticket to Seoul and it's totally booked!
 
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RE: New AC Routes.

Wed Jun 28, 2000 12:47 am

here is my selection

YUL-CDG ADD ONE FLIGHT DAYTRIPPER 767-200ER
YUL-BEY 2/WEEK 767-300ER
YYZ-YUL-MAD 2/WEEK, YYZ-MAD 5/WEEK 767-200ER
YYZ-YUL-MOW 2/WEEK, YYZ-MOW 3/WEEK 767-200ER
YUL-GVA 4/WEEK 767-200ER
YUL-BRU 5/WEEK 767-200ER
YUL-LYS 3/WEEK 767-200ER
YYZ-YUL-CAI 3/WEEK 767-300ER
YYZ-DUS 5/WEEK 767-200ER
YYZ-VIE 7/WEEK 767-200ER
YYZ-GRU 7/week 767-300ER or A330-300
YYZ-BUE 5/week 767-300ER or A330-300
YYZ-JNB 4/week A340-500
YYZ-GIG 4/week 767-200ER/767-300ER
YUL-ZRH 4/week 767-200ER
YYZ-SEL 4/week A340-300
YUL-FCO 4/week 767-200ER
YYZ-FCO 7/week A330-300
YVR-FRA 7/week A340-300
YVR-SEL 7/week A340-300
YVR-SIN 5/Week A340-500
YVR-MNL 4/week A340-300
YVR-BKK 5/Week A340-500
one of these asian flights would probably continu to KUL,CGK

That's my list for now, hopefully not a wishlist....

jmbyulac