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Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:56 am

Finnair announced today that they will install winglets to all their seven Boeing 757-200s. According to AY this will reduce fuel consumption and also make these aircrafts more environment friendly.

The istallations start in the beginning of autumn.

I guess this means that AY is going to keep these aircrafts for a long time ...

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:09 am

Also means they have a more capable Long Haul bird if need be - although the PW's on there wont help.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Also means they have a more capable Long Haul bird if need be - although the PW's on there wont help.

Now why would you say that?
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:29 am

I was wondering when will they install them, as AY's 752s do mostly long legs during the winter the winglets must save a nice amount of fuel on yearly basis. OH-LBV and BX will look great with the new wings, I just hope they would paint the others in the fleet to the new Finnair colours.

Quoting LordHowe (Thread starter):
I guess this means that AY is going to keep these aircrafts for a long time ...

Winglets will probably also add to their residual, but then again they are all leased to Finnair. The future of Finnair's leisure operations depends on what kind of deal they can make with the unions, with current costs AY can't compete with other carriers in the charter market. If it wasn't for AY's own tour operator Aurinkomatkat the leisure flight ops would have been long gone. Now that the MD-80s have left the fleet some charters are flown with A320-family aircraft, which have all too high operating costs as they have the spacey AY scheduled pitch.

IMO it wouldn't be a bad idea to transfer a couple of the 752s to scheduled traffic with a two-class cabin, to operate HEL-JFK and maybe some other Trans-Atlantic routes. Some European routes could also every now and then use a bigger capacity than the A321 .
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 3):
IMO it wouldn't be a bad idea to transfer a couple of the 752s to scheduled traffic with a two-class cabin, to operate HEL-JFK and maybe some other Trans-Atlantic routes.

That is exactly what I was thinking too - and my guess is that is what they are going to do as soon as it is possible.

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:55 pm

Wow! Another 757 winglet operator, or 'to be' operator. I really do think the winglets look great on the 757. Does anyone have a list of all carriers who have ordered them?

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:20 pm

Quoting Enginesrus (Reply 2):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Also means they have a more capable Long Haul bird if need be - although the PW's on there wont help.


Now why would you say that?

Generally, the PW birds burn more fuel than the Rolls-powered birds - hence will have less range. A wingletted PW bird will have less range than a wingletted Rolls-powered bird.
B757 Engines: LCC Differences PW And RR (by Tangowhisky Jul 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 3):
I was wondering when will they install them, as AY's 752s do mostly long legs during the winter the winglets must save a nice amount of fuel on yearly basis.

"757-200 Blended Winglet Production Currently Sold Out to Q2 2007

SEATTLE, July 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Finnair has placed 7 firm orders, plus 2 options, for Aviation Partners Boeing Blended Winglet Systems. Installations, which are likely to be performed by Finnair Technical Services in Helsinki, will begin in October 2006 and complete August 2007."
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060717/sfm030.html?.v=58

Note the "2 options".
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:21 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Generally, the PW birds burn more fuel than the Rolls-powered birds - hence will have less range. A wingletted PW bird will have less range than a wingletted Rolls-powered bird.

B757 Engines: LCC Differences PW And RR (by Tangowhisky Jul 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)

I didn't find any hard data in that thread. On the contrary, I was able to locate some quite contrary info. Where did you find the wingletted comparative data?


"Why so much lower fuel burn of the PW2037 series vs. the RB211-535.
How is this so? The PW2037 is the first commercial engine with single crystal turbine blades! Sometimes it hurts to be first.

http://www.alair.com/Commercial/pw2000.html
http://www.alair.com/Commercial/rb535.html

The RR gets a fairly poor cruise TSFC of 0.607. Good thing the 757 is very aerodynamic! The Pratt? Cruise TSFC of 0.563. Yes, a ~7% advantage to Pratt! That's huge! "

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:10 pm

Quoting WSOY (Reply 7):
Finnair has placed 7 firm orders, plus 2 options

I thought Finnair had 5 B757-200s. www.airfleets.net indicates they have 6. Why are they ordering 7 + 2?

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 9):
thought Finnair had 5 B757-200s. www.airfleets.net indicates they have 6. Why are they ordering 7 + 2?

They have indeed 7. http://www.finnairgroup.com/konserni/konserni_9_9.html
One has been leased to various British charter operators flying out of MAN for some years (or seasons) though.

[Edited 2006-07-26 14:32:32]
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting WSOY (Reply 7):
Note the "2 options".

Interesting, so they have something up their sleeve regarding the 752 ops.
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Also means they have a more capable Long Haul bird if need be - although the PW's on there wont help.

I believe AY actually has the PW2040, and not the PW2037, which means they can be -certified for full 757-200 MTOW and could pretty much fly the same routes CO's wingletted 757s fly.

Great news for AY! About time they put some winglets on their 752s.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 10):
They have indeed 7. http://www.finnairgroup.com/konserni....html

Interesting ...

The list is dated July 4th 2006! Yet there is no mention of Airbus 340-300 which started taraffic on June 19th and they still list MD80s which flew their last flight on July 3rd 2006!

Wake up Finnair!

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 5):
Does anyone have a list of all carriers who have ordered them?

I believe so far its:

* American Airlines
* Continental Airlines
* Finnair
* Icelandair
* Sun Express
* plus exec N770BB

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
I believe AY actually has the PW2040, and not the PW2037, which means they can be -certified for full 757-200 MTOW and could pretty much fly the same routes CO's wingletted 757s fly.

True, that seems to be the case: Link

-LBV and -LBX have an MTOW of 115892 kgs, the others 115666 kgs.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 10):

Ah, thanks for the clarification!

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 13):
Wake up Finnair!

Come on, someone probably just accidentally pasted an old version onto that page. The main fleet page shows pictures of the correct aircraft.
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 3):
IMO it wouldn't be a bad idea to transfer a couple of the 752s to scheduled traffic with a two-class cabin, to operate HEL-JFK and maybe some other Trans-Atlantic routes. Some European routes could also every now and then use a bigger capacity than the A321 .

Yes, that has crossed my mind aswell. Would make sence to config few 757 for scheduled flights and start HEL-JFK on those. It would free one M11 to Asian expansion. What about the range issue, I am not sure if wingletted 757 can make HEL-JFK nonstop during the heavy winter headwinds...? This same issue is discussed also in regards with CO possible entry to HEL. At the moment CO's longest 757 flight is EWR-TXL and EWR-HEL is about 100 nm longer.
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 13):
still list MD80s which flew their last flight on July 3rd 2006!

On the page, 8 out of 10 have been correctly asterisked as belonging to Air Scandic. Of the two remaining, we read in the news that one has been standing in readiness for evacuation flights to the Middle East, so their story is not quite over yet. Traditionally, ex-AY a/c have sold quickly.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 10):
They have indeed 7. http://www.finnairgroup.com/konserni/konserni_9_9.html
One has been leased to various British charter operators flying out of MAN for some years (or seasons) though

2 are currently operating out of Newcastle (NCL) for Excel Airways, OH-LBS in particular has been having a few problems recently also.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:41 am

Hi everyone,

N801DM is now flying with winglets. On her first international trip in EGPK. See pic below of the aircraft after install!

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting Skymonster (Reply 14):
I believe so far its:

* American Airlines
* Continental Airlines
* Finnair
* Icelandair
* Sun Express
* plus exec N770BB

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 19):
belonging to Air Scandic. Of the two remaining, we read in the news that one has been standing in readiness for evacuation flights to the Middle East, so their story is not quite over yet. Traditionally, ex-AY a/c have sold quickly.

With all due respect: Actually it is "flynordic" ... but anyway the scheduled trafic for AY's MD80s is over now. The last scheduled flight was in the beginning of July HEL-ARN.

But - tell me how is it really possible to just add winglets to an aircarft? The wing is really the most important part of an aircraft - isn't it? - so how can you just take something out of it and then put something else instead?

And that Finnair technics can do this job? - and not the manufacturer? ...

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:12 am

Sorry for repeating myself but, I'd really wish that someone could answer this...

"But - tell me how is it possible to just add winglets to an aircarft? The wing is really the most important part of an aircraft - isn't it? - so how can you just take something out of it and then put something else instead?

And that Finnair technics can do this job? - and not the manufacturer? ...

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Also means they have a more capable Long Haul bird if need be - although the PW's on there wont help.



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Generally, the PW birds burn more fuel than the Rolls-powered birds - hence will have less range.

That's only partly right.

The lower range is generally because of lower thrust and lower MTOW. The PW2000 is more fuel efficient, but also slightly weaker, less reliable, and features poor throttle response.

Its gotten much better over the years, of course.

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 24):
But - tell me how is it possible to just add winglets to an aircarft? The wing is really the most important part of an aircraft - isn't it? - so how can you just take something out of it and then put something else instead?

And that Finnair technics can do this job? - and not the manufacturer? ...

Well, I believe AA does the retrofits on their 738s and 752s themselves at TUL. AFAIK, the manufacturer only installs the winglets when the aircraft are on the assembly line, while retrofits are done by APB or in the case of AA, by the airline. So theoretically, yes, AY could install the winglets themselves, as long as they know how.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Generally, the PW birds burn more fuel than the Rolls-powered birds - hence will have less range.

If you look at the Boeing web site at the technical data graphs, this seems to be exactly opposite. The RB211-535C aircraft have the worst range. The -535E have more range. The PW2037/2040 aircraft have the most range. The RB211 aircraft are between 6000 and 10000 pounds heavier at their OEW than the PW-powered aircraft. At least according to the Boeing web site.
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 24):
And that Finnair technics can do this job? - and not the manufacturer?

Finnair's technical department is a complete maintenance, overhaul and repair shop, so they can basically do anything to a plane. Remember, they just about rebuilt OH-LGG when it came from Varig. Several years back they did send an MD-11 (don't remember the year or reg) back to Long Beach for repairs, when it's wing-tip was damaged in ground contact on landing to SIN. And also in the '90s they sent one ATR72 to the factory onboard the Beluga, after it was seriously damaged when hitting a hangar in HEL.

Quoting DLBOIFIN (Reply 18):
What about the range issue, I am not sure if wingletted 757 can make HEL-JFK nonstop during the heavy winter headwinds...?

According to great circle mapper http://gc.kls2.com/ HEL-JFK is about the same as HEL-YYZ, and the 752 can do the latter non-stop in a 227-seat config, so with a 180-seat 2-class config it shouldn't be a problem for HEL-JFK in the winter, I think. But then again the aviation logic isn't always that simple...
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 27):
The RB211-535C aircraft have the worst range.

That was the very first RB211-535 Series engine for the 757 and is rated at more or less the same thrust as the PW2037. Once the -535E4 was available, no -535Cs were ordered and older frames were even re-engined (e.g. the ex EA 757s now flying for US).

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 27):
The -535E have more range. The PW2037/2040 aircraft have the most range. The RB211 aircraft are between 6000 and 10000 pounds heavier at their OEW than the PW-powered aircraft. At least according to the Boeing web site.

And although the fuel burn for the -535E4 is a bit higher, the extra fuel costs are offset by the high on wing time and reliability of the RB211. RR engines like the Trent and RB211 are heavier because they're three-spool engines and not two-spool engines like the CF6/GE90 or PW2000/4000s.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 28):
Remember, they just about rebuilt OH-LGG when it came from Varig.

Well, it was a normal C4 check that was made almost a year before it was actually due. Although it took about twice the time of an routine C4 check, it was still a check, not an direct attempt at competing with A or B.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 29):
And although the fuel burn for the -535E4 is a bit higher, the extra fuel costs are offset by the high on wing time and reliability of the RB211.

I'm always interested in published figures on powerplant reliability. Where'd I find these?
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:15 am

Will look lovely. One of their birds in the not so nice old colours has been flying around LGW lately for EZY mostly doing the ATH flights,

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 10):
One has been leased to various British charter operators flying out of MAN for some years (or seasons) though.

This will be OH-LBS operating for Excel Airways based at NCL.

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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:10 am

Finnair flies into YHZ on a charter run between YHZ, HEL and Santo Domingo in the winter season, so if they come back next year I will have to get a picture.
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 30):
I'm always interested in published figures on powerplant reliability. Where'd I find these?

I can't tell you where because I don't know, but in this case it's an issue discussed frequently here in Tech/Ops.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 33):
Finnair flies into YHZ on a charter run between YHZ, HEL and Santo Domingo in the winter season, so if they come back next year I will have to get a picture.

Last year it was HEL-YHZ-MIA, with no traffic rights into/out of YHZ. No word on this year, though.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:58 am

Sorry, I should have put MIA.

Wasnt it a tech stop? I heard they picked up pax.

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Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 34):
I can't tell you where because I don't know, but in this case it's an issue discussed frequently here in Tech/Ops.

So I'd gather no true comparative data on the present on-wing time and reliability (whatever we mean by it) on the RR/PWs is not readily available?



Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 32):
Quoting WSOY (Reply 10):
One has been leased to various British charter operators flying out of MAN for some years (or seasons) though.

This will be OH-LBS operating for Excel Airways based at NCL.

Yes, and as Gkirk expertly contributed above, -LBS has brought along a 757 companion this year as well.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 37):
So I'd gather no true comparative data on the present on-wing time and reliability (whatever we mean by it) on the RR/PWs is not readily available?

I don't think so. You could only get those from mechanics, pilots or from directly from the manufacturers, but I never found any such information available to the public except here or in other places. I don't think the manufacturers or airlines would release such information the way for example Boeing does with them releasing airport compatibility information or general performance charts, etc.
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:16 am

I think they leased 2 other PW2040 757's that were prevously with Mexicana. So thats where 9 comes from. Someone correct me if im wrong.

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Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 38):
You could only get those from mechanics, pilots or from directly from the manufacturers,

I feel that it should be clearly indicated as non-verified information, or even good ole hearsay, or even the potential flamebating "RR beat the Yanks".
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting WSOY (Reply 37):
Yes, and as Gkirk expertly contributed above, -LBS has brought along a 757 companion this year as well.

The companion is OH-LBO  Wink

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Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 37):
Yes, and as Gkirk expertly contributed above, -LBS has brought along a 757 companion this year as well.



Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 41):
The companion is OH-LBO Wink

Until September 3rd(?), when OH-LBO returns to HEL, and G-FJEB returns to NCL  Wink
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Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:58 am

Fabulous. I think the 757 with winglets is one of the best looking commercial airliners in operation today. Especially when landing. Looks like a bird of prey :P
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting DLBOIFIN (Reply 18):
Would make sence to config few 757 for scheduled flights and start HEL-JFK on those. It would free one M11 to Asian expansion. What about the range issue, I am not sure if wingletted 757 can make HEL-JFK nonstop during the heavy winter headwinds...?

I think cargo-capacity is of concern also with Finnair. The MD-11 sure beats the B757 on that department.... Even if the seats are not filling up, the hold might be.
 
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RE: Finnair's B757s Get Winglets

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 32):
This will be OH-LBS operating for Excel Airways based at NCL.

Should have added, OH-LBS is suffering quite a lot of technical delays recently  Wink
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 45):
Should have added, OH-LBS is suffering quite a lot of technical delays recently

A lot? I saw one 23 hour delay around Jun 24 mentioned, but the delays will no doubt lag over the next few days. I'm somewhat surprised of the news because the AY 757 leisure flights from/to Finland are usually very punctual. No adverse comment from the pax here: http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/excel.htm
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting WSOY (Reply 46):
Should have added, OH-LBS is suffering quite a lot of technical delays recently

It suffered an anti skid failure so had to divert to MAN and nightstop, that was a few weeks back tho.

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