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Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:34 am

I know the rumours of Austrian Airlines cutting Australia flights are being discussed in another thread, but it is now official and the cuts are going past just Australia. Flights to Kuala Lumpor and Singapore, the intermediate stops on their Australia flights, are also being cut. Very sad news.

http://www.airsider.com/files/2006/0706/004/aua_sydney.htm
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:41 am

so where will the B 777 / A 343 be re-allocated to as it uses 3 dedicated aircraft supposedly to fly this route.

ppl say Pakistan is hot on the drawing board for them for next summer...any update on that front?
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 1):
so where will the B 777 / A 343 be re-allocated to as it uses 3 dedicated aircraft supposedly to fly this route.

I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types. I don't know the exact fleet numbers, but both subfleets are certainly not too big, and it might make sense for OS to simplify their fleet.
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 1):
so where will the B 777 / A 343 be re-allocated to as it uses 3 dedicated aircraft supposedly to fly this route

AFAIK, OS only used the B763ER (for a while) and B772 for their down under routes. How many passengers were going only to KUL or SIN ?

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types.

I wouldn't be surprised as well. Wasn't it said not that long ago that OS was in a bad fiancial situation?

[Edited 2006-07-25 21:47:35]
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types. I don't know the exact fleet numbers, but both subfleets are certainly not too big, and it might make sense for OS to simplify their fleet.

I suppose it'll be the A343 as they have one 772ER on order. They have 2 A343s, right ?
I guess LH/LX are eagerly waiting to grab them !
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:00 am

Are these flights the ex Lauda flights to Australia? If it is then I suspect that Lauda operated them at profit and since being swallowed by Austrian they can no longer make a profit due to Austrian higher operating costs?? If this is the case then again its a shame that another European carrier has to give up service to Australia. Perhaps Niki can start again?
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 5):

Well, according to the paper, OS blame essentially the soaring oil price, but they can't deny the fact that NG pilots, but probably also cabin crews have had an wage increase to OS flight crews level folloving the merger of the two brand. Not to mention the price competition on the routes, which, still according to Airsider made OS regularly offers the lowest fares, thus not covering the costs! That's impossible to keep that way for long in todays business.
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:13 am

Another European airline leaving SIN. I wonder with OS terminating SIN will actually push SQ to operate SIN-VIEvv?
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types.

The Boeing 777

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
Well, according to the paper, OS blame essentially the soaring oil price, but they can't deny the fact that NG pilots, but probably also cabin crews have had an wage increase to OS flight crews level folloving the merger of the two brand

The oil prices have caused many airlines to drop low yielding routes..

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 5):
Are these flights the ex Lauda flights to Australia?

Yes

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I suppose it'll be the A343 as they have one 772ER on order. They have 2 A343s, right ?

The Boeing 777

Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I guess LH/LX are eagerly waiting to grab them !

They are not getting them as they are not going anywhere!

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I'd go a step further. I could imagine that OS might actually dispose of one of those plane types.

The Boeing 777 types
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
The Boeing 777

Do you actually know this or are you only speculating? Any sources?

Seems rather odd to dispose of the 772 when it burns less fuel than the A340 and fuel costs are cited by the airline as part of the reason for pulling out of the SE/Asia/Oz routes. As well as, of course, having recently ordered an additional 777 frame.

[Edited 2006-07-26 01:12:49]
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:19 am

Considering that OS is taking delivery of a 4th B772 in Jan 2007, i would say the A343's will go.

The B772's have recently been reconfirgured with flat bed business and improved IFE, with seat numbers reduced from 344 to 307.

With SIN and KUL going, I would say they will dispose of the A340's, and put the twins onto BKK and other A343 sectors.

With OS only serving BKK in Asia, and being a star carrier, I wonder if they will codeshare with TG to PER/MEL/SYD/BNE, and on TG's HKT-PER service.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:32 am

So aside from BA, what European airlines are left serving Australia? It's remarkable how the market between Europe and Australia/New Zealand has changed.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 7):
Another European airline leaving SIN. I wonder with OS terminating SIN will actually push SQ to operate SIN-VIEvv?

And another one leaving Australia. MEL will not have any European carriers serving it anymore with BA recently leaving

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
I wonder if they will codeshare with TG to PER/MEL/SYD/BNE, and on TG's HKT-PER service

I think they will on SYD and MEL routes.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:10 am

Another one pulling out SIN....both NZ and OS. It seems SIN is lossing business as a stopover for flights between NZ/AUST and Europe.
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):


With OS only serving BKK in Asia, and being a star carrier,

Austrian flies to Amman, Baku, Beijing, Beiruit, Colombo, Damascus, Delhi, Kathmandu, Malé, Mumbai, Phuket, Shanghai, Tbilsi, Tehran, Tel Aviv, Tokyo, and Yerevan.
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:29 am

Klyk1980 - dont forget SK pulled out as well recently.
Thats three Star Alliance carriers in a short space of time.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:31 am

As much as this is sad, it did not really surprise me. I think that LH will begin flights to Australia next year in OS's place. In terms of KUL and SIN, I definately see MH and SQ flying to VIE within the next 6 months. The problem with these flights was that they only had 3 fights a week to MEL and 6 to SYD. If the stopped MEL and gave MEL's frequencies to SYD then the route may just have stood a chance.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
In terms of KUL and SIN, I definately see MH and SQ flying to VIE within the next 6 months.

SQ codeshares with LH and serves MUC and FRA, while MH just suspended VIE flights, but is upping FCO capacity.

I don't think either carrier will go back in.
if anything, they will feed pax over germany.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:50 am

I think the 343s will go and that OS will fly the 777s to JFK and NRT.

Too bad that OS will leave Australia and SIN/KUL. I guess that makes SQ happy though.

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Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):
I guess that makes SQ happy though.

In what respect?
SQ codeshares on SIN-VIE because they don't operate to VIE in their own right!
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:34 am

My concern is....SIN now becomes a solely SQ Star Alliance Hub....SQ/TG/NH/LH/UA/LX/SA

But even HKG with more Star Members than SIN and BKK...include all airlines above..plus AC and NZ. Thats interesting....right?

I do not count any code-share flight.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Klyk1980 (Reply 20):
My concern is....SIN now becomes a solely SQ Star Alliance Hub....SQ/TG/NH/LH/UA/LX/SA

SA does not fly to SIN with their own A/C only HKG
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:42 am

opsss...thanks VHVXB..one more deduction from SIN....
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
As much as this is sad, it did not really surprise me. I think that LH will begin flights to Australia next year in OS's place. In terms of KUL and SIN, I definately see MH and SQ flying to VIE within the next 6 months. The problem with these flights was that they only had 3 fights a week to MEL and 6 to SYD. If the stopped MEL and gave MEL's frequencies to SYD then the route may just have stood a chance.

I don't see that happening in the near future. Given the really bad shape MH is in, they're more likely to drop European routes, not add new ones. I think we can expect them to drop both FRA and ZRH in favour of increased flights to the European Skyteam hubs very soon. As for SQ, maybe.

The other thing I definitely don't see happening is LH flying to Oz. LH already handed over the SAO-SCL add-on over to LX because with the duty time and layover regulations of LH crews, LX could operate that route much cheaper. And that's just a short flight. So I can hardly see LH operating to Oz successfully, or at least profitably.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 7):
Another European airline leaving SIN. I wonder with OS terminating SIN will actually push SQ to operate SIN-VIEvv?

Is there enough traffic to warrant a direct SIN-VIE connection? I'm not so sure..... Besides, SQ are still waiting for their new planes to come in, so they're incapacitated by the last of aircraft for the moment.

Quoting Klyk1980 (Reply 13):
Another one pulling out SIN....both NZ and OS. It seems SIN is lossing business as a stopover for flights between NZ/AUST and Europe.

But most of NZ/AUST traffic is carried on SQ, QF and BA. I don't think the loss will be substantial. If anything, it just points to the strength of SQ in the region.

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 15):
Klyk1980 - dont forget SK pulled out as well recently.Thats three Star Alliance carriers in a short space of time.



Quoting Klyk1980 (Reply 20):
My concern is....SIN now becomes a solely SQ Star Alliance Hub....SQ/TG/NH/LH/UA/LX/SA

Is that necessarily a bad thing?
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:16 pm

It seems Virgin Atlantic (VS) picked a good time to commence services to Australia and who knows maybe pickup the Melbourne route too?

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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:25 pm

The closing of the Australia routes will free up 3 airframes for OS. Add to that the fourth B772 which is due to join the fleet, and OS is either to embark on an extensive program of network expansion, which I find highly unlikely, or to dispose of some existing widebody frames, which is the most likely outcome.

I believe that the closing of the Australia routes spells the end of the A343 in the OS fleet. Disposing of those aircraft would still bring a nett addition of two airframes to the fleet, which can be used for a new VIE-ORD route as well as some new Asian route(s). I believe HKG, ICN and secondary cities in China are candidates for expansion.

As for a VIE-SIN link, SQ closed VIE, which it served thrice weekly with its A343, before OS even arrived. I highly doubt whether the would consider returning there, given that they would have to deploy a B772ER, which is even larger than the A343.

Also a return of MH to the KUL-VIE route is unlikely. VIE was just closed and MH is in the process of restructuring its European network, with a strong focus on the Skyteam hubs AMS, CDG and FCO apart from the obvious LHR. Even the future of ZRH and FRA is in doubt as part of the MH network so VIE is unlikely to return.
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting GneissGuy (Reply 24):
Quoting Klyk1980 (Reply 20):
My concern is....SIN now becomes a solely SQ Star Alliance Hub....SQ/TG/NH/LH/UA/LX/SA

Is that necessarily a bad thing?

WHAT! SIN is still a One World hub: QF/BA/CX/JL, any others?

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Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:17 pm

All right... Now OS can finally kick off that massive US expansion.

Or, most likely, not at all. But apparently VIE-JFK is staying 2x daily / becoming fully 2x daily.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:25 pm

Quoting Newkai (Reply 28):
All right... Now OS can finally kick off that massive US expansion.

VIE-ORD is almost sure to happen next year. I think that would be it, though, in terms of expansion.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:28 pm

 Angry  crying 

Sad to see OS leave the Australian skies!

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Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 27):
WHAT! SIN is still a One World hub: QF/BA/CX/JL, any others?

Exactly is a QF mini Hub

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
It seems Virgin Atlantic (VS) picked a good time to commence services to Australia and who knows maybe pickup the Melbourne route too?

Well lets hope and I don't think they are doing that well on HKG-SYD
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:31 pm

There's still no official quote from OS regarding the cutting of services. As far as I'm aware, the services are continuing as normal indefinitely.
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting QF744 (Reply 32):
There's still no official quote from OS regarding the cutting of services. As far as I'm aware, the services are continuing as normal indefinitely.
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Qualitative growth in our network, particularly against the background of the high kerosene prices, demands consistent optimisation of the route portfolio, which leads to the suspension of individual, and consequently low-yield, routes. Subject to these points of view, we have decided to suspend our Australian routes to Sydney and Melbourne from end-March 2007. We are currently looking into alternative long-haul destinations that correspond to our strategic orientation and provide adequate contributions to our overall European route network.


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Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:56 pm

So it is true after all. Well, that sucks!
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 27):
SIN is still a One World hub: QF/BA/CX/JL, any others?

JL is not a oneworld member yet. Remember that.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
suspend our Australian routes to Sydney and Melbourne from end-March 2007.

So does this mean that SIN and KUL won't be cut as they were not mentioned in the report?
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 35):
So does this mean that SIN and KUL won't be cut as they were not mentioned in the report?

Since the statement says the Sydney and Melbourne routes, I presume that this includes Kuala Lumpur and Singapore as they are part of those routes.
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:16 pm

Yes, SIN and KUL will be axed aswell.

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Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:29 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 35):
JL is not a oneworld member yet. Remember that.

OK, OK! Close enough though!

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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:10 pm

Mmm perhaps an expansion into India might be on the cards among others. Everybody else is increasing flights there - why not more from OS ?
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 27):
WHAT! SIN is still a One World hub: QF/BA/CX/JL, any others?

AY flies to SIN, too. But it still doesn't make it a oneworld hub.

Now that OS will pull out, good luck for AY with their new KUL route starting May 2007!  Wink
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:18 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 19):
Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):
I guess that makes SQ happy though.

In what respect?
SQ codeshares on SIN-VIE because they don't operate to VIE in their own right!

Less competition from Europe to Australia.

I agree with HB-IWC that OS will add more flights to China.

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Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:03 pm

Quoting GneissGuy (Reply 24):
But most of NZ/AUST traffic is carried on SQ, QF and BA. I don't think the loss will be substantial. If anything, it just points to the strength of SQ in the region.

Dont forget NZ as well
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:38 pm

Last bookable Vienna-Sydney and Sydney-Vienna flight is on March 25, 2007
 
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:24 pm

Do any European airlines Cargo divisions still fly to Australia?
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:26 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 29):
VIE-ORD is almost sure to happen next year. I think that would be it, though, in terms of expansion.

I thought UA had/was appliying for that route authoirity?
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 44):
Do any European airlines Cargo divisions still fly to Australia?

i think LH does but i'm not sure
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 44):
Do any European airlines Cargo divisions still fly to Australia?

MP is still flying AMS-SHJ-SYD by 74F aircraft.
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
Quoting A342 (Reply 4):
I suppose it'll be the A343 as they have one 772ER on order. They have 2 A343s, right ?

The Boeing 777

I think the 777 will go too. They're in no condition to be paying for a brand new 777 and it makes no sense to have a fleet of 1 777 and 2 A340's. In addition, the 777 offers no synergies whatsoever with LH.
 
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RE: Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN

Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:06 pm

Are European carriers pulling out of Australia the first victory for EK's expansion plans?

Lots of flights from European cities to DXB, then straight to Aus. Bad news for SIN and KUL as well...
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