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Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:36 pm

Qantas is considering expanding it's freight operations to take advantage of greater returns in that sector. Earlier this year they announced they would convert 4 x 733s into 733Fs for joint ventures they are already involved in.

I found the following quote interesting;

``There are very good returns in this market and we do have an established position, so you try and grow on top of where you can get a value-add,'' Chief Financial Officer Peter Gregg, 51, told reporters in Brisbane today.

Qantas has converted old Boeing Co. 737 planes into ``pure'' freighters, and runs two joint ventures with the government-owned Australia Post. The airline will consider adding 747 aircraft for freight, Gregg said.


I'm not too familiar with QFs freight operations but it is my understanding that QF lease freighters from Gemini or Atlas. Is this an indication they are willing to finally commit to their own 747 Freighters or sign up for the 747BCF program? Any claricification would be appreciated.

Quotes taken from http://www.bloomberg.com do a company search under QAN AU and the link will appear.

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:59 pm

Qantas also uses Boeing 767s for trans-Tasman freight operations. It seems that management likes wet-lease operation as it is easy to cut ties if things go pear shaped!
 
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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:47 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
I'm not too familiar with QFs freight operations but it is my understanding that QF lease freighters from Gemini or Atlas. Is this an indication they are willing to finally commit to their own 747 Freighters or sign up for the 747BCF program? Any claricification would be appreciated.

I strongly doubt it! The problem is the one way nature of the freight flows and the bi-lateral nature of international civil aviation. My understanding of the sitution, which may very well be some what dated, is that the freight flow from North America is many, many times the flow in the other direction. While the flow between Oz and Asia is more even it is still a bit biased (in volum terms) toward Asia as compared to from Asia.

The result of this is that QF would have very very low load factors Oz-NA and lower than desired load factors Asia-Oz. The current arrangement with Gemini/Atlas gets round this by the aircraft flying NA-OZ, wet leased to QF, OZ-Asia wet leased, Asia-NA operate by and on behalf of Gemini/Atlas. which is something QF cant do because it has no traffic rights Asia-NA.

Unless there has been a pretty recent and dramatic change in the freight flows, a decidaceted QF (International) freighter fleet seems unlikely. The domestic sitution is of course totally different and the B734 conversions are to replace existing B722 freighters.

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:17 pm

It would be nice to have the Atlas Air B744F on wet-lease wear the Qantas scheme!  Sad
If I recall correctly Emirates SkyCargo have done so with the Atlas Air B744F on wet lease...

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:22 pm

So, is QF going to do some airlift work for the RAAF? Perhaps on day soon they will place an order for new B-747-800Fs?
 
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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:50 pm

Quoting AJ (Reply 1):
Qantas also uses Boeing 767s for trans-Tasman freight operations

Thank you AJ, when you refer to the trans-tasman operations is this the use of belly space on their own aircraft?

Thanks to the others too for your responses

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:18 pm

In regards to the trans Tasman 767, yes it is purely belly space, the flight routes SYD/AKL/CHC/SYD, although they do change planes in AKL. The aircraft which runs the SYD/AKL sector returns to SYD as the first passenger departure QF 40, while the aircarft which operated QF 49 the becomes the "freighter" and does AKL/CHC/SYD arriving in SYD at 0605. The flights are aimed at the express freight business and do well.

As for QF's involvement with Atlas, they currently use three 744's and they run a busy schedule, operating to HKG/SHA and on to the Hahn in Germany and several ports in the U.S. While the out bound loads from SYD are not huge, QF have full rights from China for cargo and that is where most of the loads come from.

Demand into Australia is very good and the aircraft come in usually with very good loads, from all ports. All flights route out via Asia, mostly SHA, the HKG flight is a dedicated and SIN and BKK also see flights, they then continue on to other destinations, mostly the U.S picking up most of their loads in SHA. The flights which go to the U.S then route directly back to SYD via HNL as a tech stop.

QF will get their own freighters eventually, although the deal with Atlas appears to serve them well at present.

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 6):
QF will get their own freighters eventually, although the deal with Atlas appears to serve them well at present.

Thanks Jupiter2 (& Gemuser) for the feedback. I tend to agree that the Atlas deal seems to serve them well and with those 747s in operation that's what led me to ask about the possibility of QF getting their own freighters as Mr Gregg seems to imply that with the following statement which made me originally post

The airline will consider adding 747 aircraft for freight, Gregg said.

If Atlas are already operating 747s for them why would he state they are considering adding them for the freight role when Atlas is already doing so?

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 6):
While the out bound loads from SYD are not huge, QF have full rights from China for cargo and that is where most of the loads come from.

Do you mean "full rights" from China to other countries? If so, are you sure? I was told (quite some time ago) that the onward flight from China (NOT HKG) were on the Atlas rights not QFs.

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:52 am

Gemuser,

Full rights for freight, but not for passenger flights.

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:04 pm

Think I found the answer to my own question. Mr Gregg has confirmed they are seriously considering the 747BCF, it would be interesting to see whether they would also consider the 767BCF as the 787s come on line.

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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:03 pm

Yes the Atlas aircraft leave empty from SYD most of the time. The flights fly with QF flight numbers and use QF freight Traffic rights. They definitely fly through HKG,PKG,ANC and ORD? I think.

The last aircraft I departed had a total of 15tons/tonnes? of freight from SYD. They also frequent Darwin DRW, which I think is in support of the AUS defence force?
 
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RE: Qantas Consider 747 Freighters

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:37 pm

Are they still doing Sydney-Shanghai-Baku-Frankfurt-Mumbai-Singapore-Sydney route launched n 2004.