|Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 6):|
IF it turns out this way it looks like a 9am out of YYZ, out of LAX about 1PM into SYD 8pm, out of SYD about mid-night into LAX about 8PM , out at 10.30PM into YYZ about 0605AM.... This would be about 12 hours different from UA or QF.
Arrival would be about 20:30-20:45 based on QF8 timings. The B777 is not faster I assume. Such an arrival would just about have NO connections. Last DJ
flight on weekdays to MEL
, for example is about 21:15, which you would have NO show of making, especially on a day QF8 operates.
has a 2300-0600 curfew. Last departures are all scheduled for around 22:30, which would put it into YYZ
about 0445, on your timings.
The all daylight flight southbound is not that popular, although it is my flight of choice, QF8 has still not reverted to the daily operation it had before 9/11.
As well there is the question of diversions. Although within the B777 nominal range LAX
is an extreme range operation, which means on X days a year it is not going to make it and will have to divert. QF
uses Nandi in Fiji, I assume AC
would too. The problem with a diversion on an evening arrival is that you will be delayed long enough to miss the curfew. A late arriving aircraft IS
NOT a reason for an exemption and the aircraft would not be allowed to land at SYD
. The fine for breaking the curfew, for an airline is $A5 million, per time!
It used to be $A100,000 but a certain unnamed Asian airline which has a similar, tight evening turn around in SYD
, made a very sensiable business decision that the cost of delaying 400 pax, messing up connections across half the planet and having the aircraft miss its next rotation made it a no brainer. So the next time it happened that the aircraft was late, they did a normal turn around, waited untill ATC shut down, then did an operationally correct departure from an uncontrolled airport! The next day when Oz authorities started screaming at the local manager, he issued a statement offering humble appologies and sent the government a cheque for the max fine, that could be imposed, all without court action. Case closed. The next time the plane was late, exactely the same thing happened. Didn't take our admittley slow ferderal authorities to many time to figure out what was happening, emergency legislation was rushed through parliment upping the fine to $A1 million, and later when that started to look too low, it went to the current level.)
2300-0600 curfew is taken VERY seriously in Oz.