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ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:31 am

The OAK-ITO route has been spilling over the top with traffic so they will upgrade it from a 737-800 to a 757-200.

ATA Airlines says it will upgrade capacity on its Hilo-Oakland route by switching to larger aircraft for the run.

The airline said Tuesday it will deploy a Boeing 757-200 in place of its current 737-800 beginning August 4, adding 16 percent, or 50 seats per day, to the only Mainland service to Hilo.

"Traffic on our new Hilo-Oakland flight has exceeded our expectations and is a nice surprise to have to deal with," says ATA Managing Director of Planning, Mark Suman. "The added capacity during the peak month of August will help customers find low-fare, non-stop seats between Hilo and the Bay Area and to several mainland destinations on Southwest Airlines."

ATA charges as little as $159 one-way on the route
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:35 am

That's good to hear. There were some naysayers that thought ITO couldn't support a mainland flight. It seems its here to stay. The Hilo side of the Big Island is my favorite. Its got more of that lush, rainforest feel, and its a lot less crowded.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:34 am

Amazing......good for ATA....so many laughed when ATA announced service to ITO. ITO has been ignored for so many years....ever since airports in Maui, Kona, etc could accept flights from the mainland, its always good to hear when something innovative works.

This service is a good thing for ATA and for ITO. Well done.

I wonder if other airlines will take note of this and reintroduce service to ITO....for example, does UA have plans to announce LAX-ITO flights in the future?
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:46 am

How much of this traffic is transfer traffic from WN? When ever I am working a flight out of OAK to LGB we leave the same time as the ITO flight right next to us and their gate area is usually pretty full.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:56 am

not to appear totally dumb, but where is ITO?????
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 4):
not to appear totally dumb, but where is ITO?????

You don't sound dumb. There are just too many airport codes to memorize!  Smile ITO happens to be Hilo in the Hawaiian Islands. Cheers!  Smile
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 4):
not to appear totally dumb, but where is ITO?????

To elaborate, it's on the east-southeast side of the Big Island (Hawaii) and is about a 100 mile drive to Kona-Keahole (KOA). Nearly all of the major hotels and resorts on the Big Island are on the Kona side of the island whereas Hilo is much closer (30 miles) to Hawaii Volcanoes National Park.


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Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Wmupilot (Reply 3):
How much of this traffic is transfer traffic from WN? When ever I am working a flight out of OAK to LGB we leave the same time as the ITO flight right next to us and their gate area is usually pretty full.

It has been averaging about 30% per day for this month and 25% for last. I have a feeling the 757 is also to haul more cargo on the route.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:53 pm

Not to get off topic, but apparently ATA has 3 75s airlifting people (Americans, Brits and Canadians) out of Lebanon.
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:36 pm

Is there any chance of ATA expanding ITO service to any other airports besides OAK?

I hope the flight continues to be a success!!
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting ATA767 (Thread starter):
"The added capacity during the peak month of August..."

I'm not a Hawaii expert but I'm surprised to see August called "the peak month". I thought winter was when Hawaii travel peaked or maybe cargo is strong in August. Assuming Mr. Suman wasn't just exaggerating - Please educate me if you don't mind.
 
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting ScottSEA (Reply 10):

I'm not a Hawaii expert but I'm surprised to see August called "the peak month". I thought winter was when Hawaii travel peaked or maybe cargo is strong in August. Assuming Mr. Suman wasn't just exaggerating - Please educate me if you don't mind.

Hawai'i's peak season in June-August. It does get very, very busy around Christmas time, but peak is summer.
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:34 pm

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 7):
I have a feeling the 757 is also to haul more cargo on the route.

I was thinking the same thing. That's 50 more seats, and a lot more baggage and cargo capability. Regardless, good for them.

Quoting Vortex (Reply 8):
Not to get off topic, but apparently ATA has 3 75s airlifting people (Americans, Brits and Canadians) out of Lebanon.

They've got their share of that business over the past week or so, and it probably will continue for another week or so, although I don't know at what volume. All the Air Mobility Command military contractors got some of this business, so we've seen flights to BWI and PHL by ATA (757s), Omni (DC10s and 757s), World (MD11s), North American (757s and maybe 767s), Ryan (757) and even Miami Air (738 with a million stops). BWI was 757 City at the E8 gate for several days. What was interesting to me, however, is that these contractors must be busy with other work, because there are and were several foreign carriers (Olympic A340, Excel Air 743) chartered to fly these flights, as well as several mainline carriers (United 744, CO 777, DL 763 [voluntary publicity flight for which DL charged a buck, according to the paper]). Normally, the mainline carriers only get involved if the regular AMC carriers don't have the capacity. World alone has 8 passenger MD11s and 1 DC10, of which only two are committed to track-charter work for commercial clients, which leaves 7 aircraft that they could use if they weren't busy elsewhere. So that's a good sign for ATA and the others -- they're busy. See Air Evacuations From Cyprus (by Wjcandee Jul 22 2006 in Civil Aviation) for more information on these flights, and pictures.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Hawai'i's peak season in June-August. It does get very, very busy around Christmas time, but peak is summer

In a way, this is similar to Florida. You'd think that Florida's big time is during the winter and spring, but you'd be surprised at how much business they get during the summer. Summer is just plain the big vacation time for American families, when the kids are off from school for months and family vacations don't have to be compressed into a few days around a holiday. Amazingly, some times in November and December and January are actually pretty dead in Hawaii, while other times in those months are packed. Summer is a more-consistently-high volume of business, spread out across the entire period.

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Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 12):
In a way, this is similar to Florida. You'd think that Florida's big time is during the winter and spring, but you'd be surprised at how much business they get during the summer. Summer is just plain the big vacation time for American families, when the kids are off from school for months and family vacations don't have to be compressed into a few days around a holiday.

Actually, no, in this way it is nothing like Florida, except for Orlando.

Florida's peak season is late October through mid-April (through late May for Miami/Lauderdale) and there is no period during the summer that peaks. The exception is Orlando/Central Florida, which peaks during the summer.
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Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 12):
Amazingly, some times in November and December and January are actually pretty dead in Hawaii, while other times in those months are packed

Try booking a hotel in Hawaii between December and February! Believe me, it's busy here year-round. The state has posted solid tourism numbers terms of arrivals and dollars spent for the last couple of years.


Edited to include this link: http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacif...06/07/24/daily28.html?surround=lfn

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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:37 pm

I would tell you that the WN code share has helped to make this a success at least in the summer months. I dont think you will see a record breaking demand year round. I think more than anything there is a huge cargo market that we dont see the numbers for and that is why the 757 was added. OAK-HNL has just as good loads if not better but is not getting the 757 so it must be cargo.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
It does get very, very busy around Christmas time, but peak is summer

Hawaii is popular year round, there is never a large drop in traffic....

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Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 1):
That's good to hear. There were some naysayers that thought ITO couldn't support a mainland flight.



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Amazing......good for ATA....so many laughed when ATA announced service to ITO.

Yeah, I was that guy. I do, however, feel that ITO isn't good for much more in terms of expanding service. I'll be curious to see what the loads look like in October. Nonetheless, I love to be wrong about this type of stuff. Either way this is helping the economy. Perhaps Hilo will get on the ball and start catering towards tourism a little more (like renovating their hotels.)

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I dont think you will see a record breaking demand year round.

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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:21 am

Do you think ATA will ever resume LAX-LIH flights again in the near future? Or maybe next summer? It was ultra convenient to fly this route that seemed to be pretty full.

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Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 16):

Hawaii is popular year round, there is never a large drop in traffic....

Whatever you say.

Peak travel to Hawai'i is June-August. There is a good drop in traffic during the fall.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Hawaii is popular year round, there is never a large drop in traffic....

ITO was 40% full in MAY, in JUN 90%+ so I think Hawaii has a season!
 
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Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:46 am

ITO VS KOA

Is there mainland to KOA?

UA got a B777 ORD-OGG-ITO/KOA???-ORD which is it KOA or ITO because OGG got a short runway the 777 up to the other to flight back to ORD

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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:20 pm

Glad to see that ATA is doing good at OAK, lately airlines have been thriving there. Nice to see another 757 besides the UA & DL for passenger traffic.
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting Oakjam (Reply 22):
Glad to see that ATA is doing good at OAK, lately airlines have been thriving there. Nice to see another 757 besides the UA & DL for passenger traffic.

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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Peak travel to Hawai'i is June-August. There is a good drop in traffic during the fall.

Hawaii actually has two peaks, June-August as noted, then Mid-December through March (Spring Break Season). Low Season is September through Mid-December and Shoulder (for those that make the distinction) is April-May.
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Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Whatever you say.

Peak travel to Hawai'i is June-August. There is a good drop in traffic during the fall

Don't argue with Kahala/Malpensa about the busy season to any islands. Even if given facts like he was to Bermuda he will overwhelm you with rhetoric.
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:31 pm

TZ may have found a nice niche at ITO based primarily on cargo lift and low-yield kama'aina (resident) traffic. However, further route development potential seems extremely limited. I doubt the major resorts in the North Kona/South Kohala Districts, and the car rental companies are too keen on a second major tourist gateway to the Big Island being established at ITO; it just increases their costs. If the western end of the "Saddle Road" were ever upgraded to allow for much quicker transit time between the east and west sides of the Big Island, ITO might see an increase in paasenger traffic; however, the likelihood of that happening (due to local political considerations) is slim to none.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 26):
I doubt the major resorts in the North Kona/South Kohala Districts, and the car rental companies are too keen on a second major tourist gateway to the Big Island being established at ITO;

Even if it were to manifest, any tourist activity at ITO would most likely be totally different than what is offered on the Kona side. Hilo receives a good deal more rain, doesn't really have resort-friendly beaches (save for "downtown Hilo) and in general, too closely resembles Kahului, Lihue, etc., small towns that service the local populace vice cater to tourists. I could foresee Hilo developing into a sort of Monterey (CA)/ Newport (RI) quaint, sleepy, artsy, cultural destination for music, art and culture aficionados vice the chic, mega resort crowd that the Kohala Coast offers. That doesn't seem to be in Hilo's plans because if it were, you'd already have seen small bed and breakfast, inns, galeries, bistros, etc. open up there.

Regardless, both KOA and ITO appear to serve their respective communities very well and the air traffic into/out of each is commensurate with the level and type of traffic needed. If ITO were more of a tourist destination, you'd see more legacy/mainland carriers fly there. There are no doubt a few (my wife and I included) that choose to fly into ITO simply to visit nearby Hawaii Volcanoes National Park (awesome). In doing so, we opted to rent a car out of ITO and drive around the island to the Kohala area (105 miles; 235 minutes) where we ended up staying (shameless plug for the Fairmont Orchid). We then flew out of KOA which was still 25 miles from the hotel. View pics of ITO and KOA on my trip report:
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 21):
UA got a B777 ORD-OGG-ITO/KOA???-ORD which is it KOA or ITO

KOA has the UA ORD flight. Flight 3 I believe...
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 27):
I could foresee Hilo developing into a sort of Monterey (CA)/ Newport (RI) quaint, sleepy, artsy, cultural destination for music, art and culture aficionados vice the chic, mega resort crowd that the Kohala Coast offers. That doesn't seem to be in Hilo's plans because if it were, you'd already have seen small bed and breakfast, inns, galeries, bistros, etc. open up there.

Downtown Hilo is full of shops, including galleries and eateries, but it caters to the kama'aina from Hilo and Puna, as well as the few cruise-ships that call. Once King Sugar finally died on the east side of the Big Island in the mid-Nineties, the political leadership decided the "quainter" side of the tourism spectrum on the Big Island would be more likely to develop in areas of North Kohala like Waimea/Kamuela, Hawi, and Kapa'au, and the mid/upper elevations of the Kona coffee growing region like Holualoa, Kealakekua, and Captain Cook.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 29):
North Kohala like Waimea/Kamuela, Hawi, and Kapa'au, and the mid/upper elevations of the Kona coffee growing region like Holualoa, Kealakekua, and Captain Cook.

Having recently stayed in North Kohala, I can attest to the fact that while beautiful and quaint, the mid-upper elevations are a decent, desolate drive (30-45 min) from the nearest resort.

If Hilo is going to market itself as a boutique town, it has a ways to go as most people outside of the Islands know very little about it.


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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:36 am

Didn't UA have some ORD-ITO service back in the late 60's? I could have sworn I saw departure boards at their "Royal Hawaiian" service gates at ORD that indicated "Hilo" as a destination. They were using DC-8's at the time.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 30):
Having recently stayed in North Kohala, I can attest to the fact that while beautiful and quaint, the mid-upper elevations are a decent, desolate drive (30-45 min) from the nearest resort.

Actually, very quaint Waimea/Kamuela has gotten quite touristy in the last 10-15 years. The drive on the Kohala Mountain Road between Kapa'au and Waimea is among the more spectacular available in the Islands.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 30):
If Hilo is going to market itself as a boutique town, it has a ways to go as most people outside of the Islands know very little about i

That doesn't seem to be part of the plan. Economic development is centered on the growing "diversified agriculture" sector (flower growing, etc.) in the South Hilo/Puna Districts. IMO, if the western portion of the "Saddle Road" were upgraded to allow for more efficient thru-traffic between the east and west sides of the Island, Hilo would be a much more dynamic place in terms of tourism as well as general commercial activity. FedEx MD-11s and 5X DC-8s/A300s are daily visitors to ITO to haul flowers and other freight.

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 31):
Didn't UA have some ORD-ITO service back in the late 60's? I could have sworn I saw departure boards at their "Royal Hawaiian" service gates at ORD that indicated "Hilo" as a destination. They were using DC-8's at the time.

IIRC, those flights made an intermediate stop in either LAX or SFO. Once KOA opened in the mid-seventies, and as the mega-resorts were developed on the west side of the Big Island, flights to the mainland shifted to KOA. It's only recently that UA resumed direct service from Chicago with the triangular routing of Flight 3 ORD/OGG/KOA/ORD with a 772A.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:17 am

I think ATA would do good with a LAX-ITO route.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Socal (Reply 33):
think ATA would do good with a LAX-ITO route.

If any airline can do it, it's probably TZ. However, TZ's initial judgement seems to be that most of low-yielding kama'aina traffic is heading to the Bay Area.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:12 am

Leelaw, do you know if there are any cargo....ie (UPS,FedEx,DHL) flights into ITO from the mainland?
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting Socal (Reply 35):
do you know if there are any cargo....ie (UPS,FedEx,DHL) flights into ITO from the mainland?



Quoting Leelaw (Reply 32):
FedEx MD-11s and 5X DC-8s/A300s are daily visitors to ITO to haul flowers and other freight.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 32):
The drive on the Kohala Mountain Road between Kapa'au and Waimea is among the more spectacular available in the Islands

Yeah, it is quite amazing. Parts of it resemble the Midwest and Colorado, while other stretches look like Northern California. The drive down from Waimea to Kohala was also incredible in terms of being able to view such a wide expanse. Conversely, the endless stretches of lava rock along the leeward side are pretty eerie.

Hilo could be so much more than a flower town with just a bit of planning and vision. Perhaps the locals don't want that...who knows?

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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:17 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 37):
Conversely, the endless stretches of lava rock along the leeward side are pretty eerie.

I agree, unless you're interested in Polynesian archeological sights, the scenery is pretty grim. The other pretty drive in terms of interesting lunar-like landscapes, which very few tourists will ever see, is the "Saddle Road" between Mauna Kea and Hilo. Unfortunately, virtually all car rental agreements prohibit driving on any portion of the Saddle Road.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 37):
Hilo could be so much more than a flower town with just a bit of planning and vision. Perhaps the locals don't want that...who knows?

I think a major roadblock is that the former sugar interests which still dominate the local politics kind of look down their noses at tourism. Perhaps the other factor working against more tourism is the notion that it's just too rainy to attract enough people to make the investment worthwhile.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:32 pm

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 17):
Perhaps Hilo will get on the ball and start catering towards tourism a little more (like renovating their hotels.)

Yes. My travel agent told me she was booking me into the best available in town but don't expect much. She was right.

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(shameless plug for the Fairmont Orchid).

Second that. We were there about a week before you. My wife is already eyeing my frequent flier accounts for a return trip. The miles are there we just need to find the time.
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Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:21 am

Oh, another thing I forgot to mention earlier was that it is possible to rent a car from ITO and return it to KOA (and vice versa) although it entails paying a $52 return fee (small price for convenience)!


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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:48 am

The word at ATA is that the equipment upgauge OAK-ITO for August is more about 738s going in for 'C'-checks than anything else.

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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 41):
The word at ATA is that the equipment upgauge OAK-ITO for August is more about 738s going in for 'C'-checks than anything else.

They gave a positive spin on the situation even if it is smoke and mirrors. ATA has to announce some expansion or they will be eaten alive soon.
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 41):
The word at ATA is that the equipment upgauge OAK-ITO for August is more about 738s going in for 'C'-checks than anything else.

Maybe. But ITO loads were looking pretty darn fabulous before they added the extra 50 seats. And they're still booking seats in the $600 r/t range.
 
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 42):
The word at ATA is that the equipment upgauge OAK-ITO for August is more about 738s going in for 'C'-checks than anything else.

Sorry, but this is total BS. If it was true, the aircraft gage would have changed WITHOUT a press release.

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 42):
They gave a positive spin on the situation even if it is smoke and mirrors. ATA has to announce some expansion or they will be eaten alive soon.

Can't say I agree with this either. Just how is ATA going to be eaten alive as a feeder for WN especially with WN selling all of ATA's scheduled flights on their website? southwest.com is a HUGE distribution channel. There is moderate growth planned next year. Remember, we were just left bankruptcy 5 months ago. We need to stabilize and make some consistent profits before going off on any major expansion.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:41 am

I think someone else said this, but ATA have a very good thing going for them in ITO. One other thing too, I caught a flight from LAX-HNL in June. My start of the trip was thru Southwest Airlines to OAK then to HNL. It went very smooth for me. So I dont mind connecting in OAK.

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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:38 pm

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 41):
The word at ATA is that the equipment upgauge OAK-ITO for August is more about 738s going in for 'C'-checks than anything else.

So why wouldn't they put the 757 on one of the LAX-HNL or OAK-HNL routes that always seem to be full / weight restricted?

I have to agree with TriStar, they would have no reason to hype this up if it was only because of C-checks.
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RE: ATA Upgrades OAK-ITO To A 757

Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting ATA767 (Thread starter):
There is moderate growth planned next year. Remember, we were just left bankruptcy 5 months ago. We need to stabilize and make some consistent profits before going off on any major expansion.

I agree with the stabalization and I am not talking about anything drastic. A segment or two to keep pace with the competition (i.e. more HOU, addition of FL once again). They have been doing it but moderate growth in 2007 needs to probably be ramped up and announced soon.

ATA is having equipment issues (needing more planes and replaceing aging widebodies) and because of size it may affect their ability to respond to a more demanding travel market.

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