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GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:53 am

Just read a press release on Panrotas.com.br that GOL will be flying to Chile and Mexico by year's end. Chile will be served initially through EZE, and Mexico through an yet undecided South American stop-over.

GOL still has 12 new aircraft to be delivered this year.

I think that's fantastic news. Great to see GOL expanding internationally!!

[Edited 2006-07-27 18:56:14]
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:08 am

GOL is now taking the place left by RG. It's a shame to see this happen (RG collapse) but I wish the best of luck to GOL, which I'm pretty sure will do a terrific job filling RGs in some places.

Quoting PPVRA (Thread starter):
Mexico through an yet undecided South American stop-over

I guess GRU-BOG-MEX, just as RG used to have might be a nice way to go if you have a stop over............time will tell.


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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting PPVRA (Thread starter):
nd Mexico through an yet undecided South American stop-over.

I'm crossing my fingers for a CCS stop. Bye bye to MX's and RG's monopolies and their high fares in the CCS-MEX & CCS-GRU markets.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:35 am

Nice! Good news... are you sure its MEX? Couldn't it be CUN? I'm thinking on BRAZIL-BOG-MEXICO. I see CCS less feasible as bilateral agreemtens are far more restricted!

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:46 am

This sounds really cool!!!

Maybe finally flying between Mexico and South America will stop being so bloody expensive. It would be nice to see more reasonable fares for flights within our Latin American continent, so that we can get closer to South America.
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:31 am

I believe CCS has more chances, as long as bilaterals allow carrying passengers between CCS and MEX. Otherwise it would be BOG.

Bilaterals in Colombia aren't too liberal either. For instance, GOL would only be able to exercise fifth freedom rights between BOG and MEX 2 times a week.

Additionally, BOG-MEX has three carriers. I doubt GOL would be much interested in being the fourth. Anything could happen though.


SOUTHAMERICA

[Edited 2006-07-28 00:35:02]
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:50 am

The CCS flight will happen, there are already G3 pilots certified for this flight. However, I cannot guarantee that CCS will be the stop of the MEX flight.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:56 am

With GOL already in North America, I wonder when they will announce MIA (tough competition, though).

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
Nice! Good news... are you sure its MEX? Couldn't it be CUN?

I didn't specify any cities, just Mexico. The article didn't specify any cities, not even SCL; but I would assume the services are to SCL and MEX, though I agree and also thought about CUN as a possible destination.

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 6):
The CCS flight will happen, there are already G3 pilots certified for this flight.

What kind of extra certification is needed for this flight?

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:13 am

One thing is right, their business model does not allow a big flight like GRU-BOG or GRU-CCS. If this flight come true, will be MAO-BOG-MEX or MAO-CCS-MEX. But even a flight thru UIO is a possibility.

SCL flight will begin probably on August 12, with the first 737-800 (PR-GTA) received directly from Boeing. This aircraft has improved oxygen capacity that allows the flight over the Andes (the other GOL aircraft only allows 12 minutes of oxygen, and in an emergency procedure, it could be not enough) with more safety.

This new aircraft (GTA) will be knew on Gol fleet as the SFP (Short Field Performance) as this probably will be used on the near future on the high-yield market Rio-Sao Paulo Shuttle Service (SDU-CGH).

The first route to SCL will be GIG-GRU-EZE-SCL. Other two will come.

Together with this new bird, GOL will celebrate it's maintenance base at CNF, to be inaugurated on next friday (August 4).

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7):
With GOL already in North America, I wonder when they will announce MIA (tough competition, though).

Rumors that Gol is really looking for US flights, not during 2007 but probably during 2008. I couldn't confirm this yet.

Concerning to Venezuela and Colombia, there's a dispute between Gol and Ocean Air... probably Gol will fly to CCS and Ocean Air to BOG.

Other domestic bases like IOS and CFB: the beginning of the flights has been postponed as the runway improvements are delayed.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7):
What kind of extra certification is needed for this flight?

Airline Traffic Control and operational procedures for the Maiquetia area.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting BA0242 (Reply 4):
finally flying between Mexico and South America will stop being so bloody expensive

You are right, MEX is kind of expensive...

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 6):
The article didn't specify any cities, not even SCL;

Then maybe KNA would finally get a change!
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:48 am

Didn't Gol announce the creation of a subsidiary to fly domestically within Mexico a while back ?
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 10):
Quoting Jrosa (Reply 6):
The article didn't specify any cities, not even SCL;

I never wrote it! Why my name is appearing as the author of this phrase?
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:16 am

They will surely stop at MAO or BSB for the MEX flight... And will take a time before they fly non-stop to Chile...

My bet..

GIG-GRU-(BSB)MAO-MEX
GIG-GRU-VVI-LIM
GIG-GRU-EZE-SCL
GIG-GRU-MAO-CCS

Maybe G3's Latin America expasion will make MAO a very important hub for them..

I really think they should start thinking about a 777 or 787.. Costantino said on it's last interview that they like the 777 and 787 a lot, and are considerng it's purchase...
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:51 am

Yes, as minority shareholders. However, there are legal issues because one of the Mexican shareholders is prevented from owning more than a certain percentage of an airline's capital stock since he is also a shareholder of ASUR, an airport operator (part of the control group) and the other Mexican shareholder apparently no longer wants to participate (or wants to participate to a lesser extent). Who knows what will come of that.
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
Together with this new bird, GOL will celebrate it's maintenance base at CNF, to be inaugurated on next friday (August 4).

A correction, the date will be August 31, next Monday. Same date PR-GTA will arrive.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:38 pm

Excellent news. GOL is more than welcome in Mexico.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:32 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
Same date PR-GTA will arrive.

Wich plane is this? Ex-UAL 733 or the ex-Rio Sul and Varig 73G?
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7):
With GOL already in North America, I wonder when they will announce MIA (tough competition, though).

I say by mid-2008. Tough competition or not, they aren't going to be flying GRU-MIA, so what's the difference?

They can fly MIA-MAO daily and MIA-BEL daily with 73Gs.
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 17):
Wich plane is this? Ex-UAL 733 or the ex-Rio Sul and Varig 73G?

The first 737-800 with winglets from Boeing (on their huge 101 firm + options order). It's a brand new aircraft.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
They can fly MIA-MAO daily and MIA-BEL daily with 73Gs.

A BEL-MAO-MIA-BEL seems to be a very good flight. A better option for markets like FOR, SLZ, NAT, THE and MCP to reach the US.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 13):

GIG-GRU-(BSB)MAO-MEX

I don't think the 73G can fly that far and especially to MEX (hot & high)

Quoting Thering (Reply 13):

Maybe G3's Latin America expasion will make MAO a very important hub for them..

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Quoting Thering (Reply 13):

I really think they should start thinking about a 777 or 787.. Costantino said on it's last interview that they like the 777 and 787 a lot, and are considerng it's purchase...

Do you have a link? That would be amazing!

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 9):
Airline Traffic Control and operational procedures for the Maiquetia area.

Thanks.


[quote=MAH4546,reply=18]Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7):
With GOL already in North America, I wonder when they will announce MIA (tough competition, though).

I would have expected MIA earlier than MEX. Surpries me they are gonna wait another 2 years.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:08 am

When does operations at SCL start?. Is Varig still flying SCL as part of the restucturation?.
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 20):
I don't think the 73G can fly that far and especially to MEX (hot & high)

Well the range wouldn't be a problem at all:

GIG/GRU 210 mi
GRU/MAO 1671 mi
MAO/MEX 3069 mi
TOTAL: 4950 mi

Why would hotness or altitude be a problem for a 73G??

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 20):
Do you have a link? That would be amazing!

It was in a magazine, thought do not remember now if it is on Flap International, Aero Magazine or Avião Revue... In one of them for sure..
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:26 am

LIPE GIG says: "SCL flight will begin probably on August 12, with the first 737-800 (PR-GTA) received directly from Boeing. This aircraft has improved oxygen capacity that allows the flight over the Andes (the other GOL aircraft only allows 12 minutes of oxygen, and in an emergency procedure, it could be not enough) with more safety."


Recently I was checking the schedules and reservation system at amadeus and there is not available a flight in GOL between GRU and SCL. Can you confirm the exactly date of the first flight to Santiago and the scheduled.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 23):

Gol probably will confirm the date during the next week thru a Press Release. It could be tomorrow during the Press Meeting at CNF during the ceremony on their new Maintenance Base as PR-GTA arrived today and already it's used on their network.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:27 am

Thanks for your information. One question is possible that GOL uses the Beoing 737-800 ex Varig PP-VSA to Santiago too? Because they plans to serve Santiago with 3 daily flights GGI-GRU-EZE-SCL
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 22):

Why would hotness or altitude be a problem for a 73G??

High airports are in thinner air, which requires more thrust to take-off and consumes more fuel, limiting range and payload. As for the hotness- not entirely sure, but it probably thins out the air even more. It affects all aircrafts, not just the 73G. I believe this is the same reason why Helicopters cannot fly very high.

If you look at videos from take-offs/landings in places like BOG of UIO the planes reach greater speeds on the runways. Check this link for videos:

www.flightlevel350.com

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:11 pm

Frankly every day the possibility of an RG revival becomes more remote.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 10):
You are right, MEX is kind of expensive...

Please, let them start before december 20, please, please. Adios Taca, Lan, Mexicana and Aerolineas. I am going to Punta via GOL! Please God of the Airlines, let them start, don´t care if I need to get to CUN to take the flight as Volaris and Interjet will do the job. Southamerica in summer, here we go!
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Skyone (Reply 28):
Please, let them start before december 20, please, please. Adios Taca, Lan, Mexicana and Aerolineas. I am going to Punta via GOL! Please God of the Airlines, let them start, don´t care if I need to get to CUN to take the flight as Volaris and Interjet will do the job. Southamerica in summer, here we go!

And by the way, yes, I am price-sensitive (became a student again after 6 years of working). That is the reason why Ryanair in Europe is making tons and tons of money. When Loyd Aeroboliviano and Varig stop flying to MEX, fares skyroquet for the summer vacations. As I love to spend my winter (southamerica´s summer) in Floreanopolis or Punta del Este, getting tickets is becoming a lot more expensive as flag carriers start to desapear (Varig and Lloyd). Lloyd use to be the one that drop fares and made the rest sell some tickets at more afordable prices (manage to get a $490 USD all in from MEX-EZE on Taca in premium dates 20dec-8jan, and also got upgraded to business because oversold flight and got them to send me through EZE-LIM-BOG-SJO-MEX plus a pair of travel bouchers woth $200 USD and made the Taca people smile, as no one wanted to be re-routed and I had the time to do it and therefore save them lots of problems by giving up my seat) but now that there is less competition, the won´t do it. Unlessssssssssssssssss, yes, LCC´s start expanding and taking over some flag carriers droped routes. Well, "price sensitivity and cost saving", that is an important lesson to be learned in this industry, and Ryanair´s numbers can confirm this. If GOL takes over these routes, they will make a great decision and also make tons of money as there is enough O&D market in this routes.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting Skyone (Reply 28):
Please, let them start before december 20, please, please. Adios Taca, Lan, Mexicana and Aerolineas. I am going to Punta via GOL! Please God of the Airlines, let them start, don´t care if I need to get to CUN to take the flight as Volaris and Interjet will do the job. Southamerica in summer, here we go!

Be sure before November Gol will be flying MEX and you can fly with them to PDP.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 30):
Be sure before November Gol will be flying MEX and you can fly with them to PDP.

Great news, thanks for the Info Felipe.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:50 am

Can anyone confirm the GOL first flight to Santiago, Chile for this Saturday August12? They have the new 737-800 with new specifications and exist a rumour taht GOl will start its flight this weekend.

Any information are appreciate.

Thanks, best regards from Santiago.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:28 pm

I hope they would do something like GIG-GRU-MAO/BSB-CCS-SJU and back. The ticket on AA from CCS-SJU and return does not go below $450 and there is no competition. I know many people who would prefer to fly SJU-CCS and continue to Brazil rather than paying a higher fare and fly thru MIA. I know I would fly GOL rather than AA even if it takes me a few more stops.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 32):
Can anyone confirm the GOL first flight to Santiago, Chile for this Saturday August12? They have the new 737-800 with new specifications and exist a rumour taht GOl will start its flight this weekend.

RJ_Delta, as per info from a Gol Vice President, this route will begin only between Sep 20 and Sep 30. Will be 3 flights per day GIG-GRU-EZE-SCL. Only on the end of the year Gol will introduce non stop to GRU. Gol is expecting more planes (including 2 73G ex-RG) to allow PR-GTA to fly SCL.

Also he confirm GRU-LIM will begin on October and one flight in the future will run GIG-GRU-EZE-SCL-LIM.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
RJ_Delta, as per info from a Gol Vice President, this route will begin only between Sep 20 and Sep 30. Will be 3 flights per day GIG-GRU-EZE-SCL. Only on the end of the year Gol will introduce non stop to GRU. Gol is expecting more planes (including 2 73G ex-RG) to allow PR-GTA to fly SCL.

Also he confirm GRU-LIM will begin on October and one flight in the future will run GIG-GRU-EZE-SCL-LIM.

Felipe

Felipe!!! Where is Mexico! any info?
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting Skyone (Reply 35):
Felipe!!! Where is Mexico! any info?

They still has confirmed plans for up to November to run a MAO-MEX flight. The origin will be decided very soon (it could be GIG-MAO-MEX and GRU-MAO-BOG or GIG-MAO-BOG and GRU-MAO-MEX, or even both at GRU).

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:05 am

Great news! Can't wait for November to see G3 @ MEX! This means there will be no JJ to MEX if also OceanAir intends to land!

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 37):
Great news! Can't wait for November to see G3 @ MEX! This means there will be no JJ to MEX if also OceanAir intends to land!

Probably the date of the first GRU-MAO-MEX will be December 4th, 2006 (i'm wrong for a few days as i expect it on the end of november). It has been confirmed by Gol sources today.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:58 am

Has anyone checked for availability of landing slots at MEX? I heard there were none available but for Mexican carriers... Only those of RG... And as per other threads, RG is not planning on definitely giving up MEX, but plans on returning in its so-called "second stage"...

Just a thought...

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 39):
Has anyone checked for availability of landing slots at MEX? I heard there were none available but for Mexican carriers... Only those of RG... And as per other threads, RG is not planning on definitely giving up MEX, but plans on returning in its so-called "second stage"...

Even with slot limitation, i believe Gol could even try to buy the slots as they have a huge cash flow. Concerning to RG, i believe they will really take some time to fly to MEX again as they are facing hard times to obtain widebodies at the market.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:46 am

I think it is great news that G3 is coming to Mexico. For cost-conscious leisure and V.F.R. travelers, G3 will be a great option, as they will likely be able to match or even undercut the price offered by CM in their MEX-PTY-GRU flights (currently one of the cheapest options to go to Brazil from Mexico and vice versa). On the other hand, people who need to go to Sao Paulo for business and care about earning miles, being upgraded and flying non-stop will still have AM. Seems to me it is a good deal to have both options!
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 41):
On the other hand, people who need to go to Sao Paulo for business and care about earning miles, being upgraded and flying non-stop will still have AM. Seems to me it is a good deal to have both options!

Agree, but Gol has the advantage of connecting BSB, BEL, FOR, REC, faster than AM. And even GIG, POA, CWB as AM nowadays does not keep RG connections. IMO AM will be the king of Sao Paulo, Gol will be the king of all the rest of Brazil.
Good for the market as the prices will be reduced, and if MX come into this fight, we could see a bigger market, remember that Mexico has the advantage nowadays Brazil does not keep flight for example to the West Coast of US.

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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:14 pm

Thanks for the information LipeGIG.
 
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:45 pm

Very true Feliipe. I think it is time for AM to consider codesharing with JJ. It would be a great decision for both carriers.
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 41):
I think it is great news that G3 is coming to Mexico. For cost-conscious leisure and V.F.R. travelers, G3 will be a great option, as they will likely be able to match or even undercut the price offered by CM in their MEX-PTY-GRU flights (currently one of the cheapest options to go to Brazil from Mexico and vice versa). On the other hand, people who need to go to Sao Paulo for business and care about earning miles, being upgraded and flying non-stop will still have AM. Seems to me it is a good deal to have both options!

G3 may be a new option, but CM does fly twice daily MEX-PTY-GRU and it also offers CUN from GRU and MAO from MEX. Flying CM gives the passengers One Pass / Sky Team miles, so CM isn't such a bad option at all.

As for the possible GRU-MAO-MEX route, I don't know if those G3 B737 do have the range to fly to MAO from MEX non-stop and a stop in GUA or SJO could be very unlikely.
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RE: GOL To Fly To Chile & Mexico!

Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 45):
G3 may be a new option, but CM does fly twice daily MEX-PTY-GRU and it also offers CUN from GRU and MAO from MEX. Flying CM gives the passengers One Pass / Sky Team miles, so CM isn't such a bad option at all.

True, but it if you consider that CM has other destinations from PTY you will find that most of the times it is impossible to find a seat in the MEX-PTY sector for a flight to GRU, SCL, CCS, etc (no matter if the PTY-GRU is empty). Therefore, as a frequent traveler to the region I can tell you that CM has very limited availability to GRU... it is almost impossible to find a seat, specially if you make plans two or three days before departure... (and lets not talk about the availability in Business Class...)

Mexico needs another airline flying to Brazil or AM sending the B777 daily to cover demand for business travel . The problem will be that unless someone else starts the flight, AM will keep its high fares!!

On the other side, I don't think it will be much trouble for GOL to get slots at MEX, since they will be flying an evening or late night flight (9pm) that will give them an early arrival into GRU (including the stop). MEX does have slots for those flights...

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