StarGoldLHR
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Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:17 am

Gibraltar is close proximity (Less than 2 hours) to the Spanish resorts of Marbella, Estepona and Puerto Banus, and has access to sea ports to Morrocco.

Passenger formalities takes minutes and baggage only a few minutes more..

yet Malaga (2.5 hours away) is burgeoning in passenger flights 24 hours a day, baggage formalities take anything from 30 minutes to 2 hours and there's more delays than passengers.

So why does GIB only have 2x daily LGW, 1x Daily Luton and no other flights ?


The airport has facilities just as good as any Ryan-airport, and access to Spain takes minutes through the border, and it's the only airport I know where you can literally walk across the runway to the city centre.

Gibraltars an oddity of an airport.. the main road crosses the runway and so during a T/o or Landing the main road uses traffic lights to stop the traffic so a plane can move.
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G-TTOJ British Airways (GB Airways) A320 takes off for LGW, crossing the main road into Gibraltar, 30 Aug 2005 BA 6999.


Given it's ease of use.. why does it only have 3 planes a day (2 are on the ground at the same time, the airport can handle about 4 a/c on the tarmac at any one time).
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:24 am

Don't you think closing the road for arr / dep is a little inconvenient.

Maybe this is the reason why it's preferable to fly elsewhere for airlines.

Besides, I think you need to look at airport fees / charges at GIB which could be much higher than in Spain...
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Kesflyer (Reply 1):
Don't you think closing the road for arr / dep is a little inconvenient.

No more than closing a road for a train crossing. (in Europe anyway).
3 mins before, set traffic lights, shooo along walking tourists, bring out a Tank, Machine Guns and Police, plane lands, change the lights hide the army and move on.

(I was exaggerating about the tank, it's a landrover  Smile
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:26 am

Hm. How about giving us Gibraltar back? Colony days are over.  Smile

As for why the Gibraltar airport isn't used to get to Spain.. the LCCs would be all over GIB if it were cheaper to land there than in Málaga. Then there are the random border patrols with the inevitable long delays and searches.

Not that that would bother any LCCs wanting to fly to Gibraltar. More an inconvenience for passengers after they depart from the airport.

I can also speculate that since GIB is just about 500m from the city center, the inhabitants wouldn't be too pleased with constant jet traffic.

Finally, due to disputes over the position of GIB, i.e. whether it is within Spain or not, the Spanish government has so far successfully excluded Gibraltar from European wide de-regulation initiatives, preventing direct links from Gibraltar to the rest of the European Union (except the UK).

Many different reasons. Málaga is much easier for now, until Gibraltar joins Spain again at least  Wink

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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:15 pm

I would say the main reason for the lack of flights to Gibraltar is because Gibraltar is such a small place. Yes, it is close to spanish beach resorts however Gibraltar's population live very close to the airport. If GIB was to become the next AGP then as you can imagine, nearly all of the residents would never get a rest! Also there would be issues in terms of having to close and open the road across the runway for flights every 30 minutes.

Also, I know that there afre flights to LGW and LTN but which route does Monarch fly and which does British Airways fly?

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
Hm. How about giving us Gibraltar back? Colony days are over.

Hm. Maybe because nearly all of the population of Gibraltar said that they want to remain under UK control in a recent survey.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
the Spanish government has so far successfully excluded Gibraltar from European wide de-regulation initiatives, preventing direct links from Gibraltar to the rest of the European Union (except the UK).

Personally, I think this is very silly. If airlines want to fly to Gibrlatar, they should be able to. What has any of it got to do with Spain? It is clear to most people who go to Gibraltar that they are entering British territory. For example people are not going to go to Jersey and think that it is not part of the UK!
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
Hm. How about giving us Gibraltar back? Colony days are over.

Most of Gibraltars inhabitants are of ethnic Spanish decent, (i.e. they don't look like your average londoner or overweight mancunian). As it is their own rock, and they are of Spanish decent it's not really upto Britain to deciede who owns it, it's them.
I believe 99.99% said they dont want to be Spanish, and I'm fairly confident Britain doesnt care too much to own a colony that doesnt make money either.
Anyway we are all Europeans what does it matter what language they are taught in school.. if it did then Parts of Spain belong to France, other parts are Morroccan, and some others want independance, going back futher Poland is German, German is French and at some point we were nearly all Roman / Italian.. going back further still we were tribes in parts of Africa and we stole Europe off the dinosaurs that roamed the land, so really it's time to get over ourselves and live in harmony.

Besides if Britain forced the Gibraltarians to become Spanish, what would spain do with it ? It's not as if Gibraltar is Hong Kong or some other major money making centre in the world. If Britain handed it back, 99% of the population and all it's prosperity would leave to the UK, leaving what you had 300 years ago.. a worthless lump of stone with a runway.

At least now the neighbouring towns are making a killing from employment and tourism from people visiting.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 4):
Also, I know that there afre flights to LGW and LTN but which route does Monarch fly and which does British Airways fly?

BA flies from LGW (They just started and have stopped already) flights from LHR.
Monarch used to fly from MAN-GIB but terminated the route.

At it's peak this was 5x flights a day.

This winter it will be 3x a day... Monarch from LGW in the afternoon, and 2x daily from LGW (Morning and Evening).
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
Hm. How about giving us Gibraltar back? Colony days are over.

How about we give you and Spain The Isle of Wight?
Does it really matter? God the British have invaded most of Spain anyway. Living the Spanish way (not!). If I was Spanish that would really p me off more than the Gibraltar thing!

I guess if the majority of Gibs want to be British so be it.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 5):
I believe 99.99% said they dont want to be Spanish, and I'm fairly confident Britain doesn't care too much to own a colony that doesn't make money either.

Yep!

Anyway. GIB has a lot of potential if developed .
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:35 pm

Well its hardly Paris.
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:26 pm

Costs of operating of from GIB compared to AGP.
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
Finally, due to disputes over the position of GIB, i.e. whether it is within Spain or not, the Spanish government has so far successfully excluded Gibraltar from European wide de-regulation initiatives, preventing direct links from Gibraltar to the rest of the European Union (except the UK).

  

That really is the main reason for the so few flights - because flights are only allowed to depart and arrive from the UK.
Also, I was looking on wiki about it, and it said gibraltar has its own airline starting in 2007! FlyGibraltar apparently. Flying to STN, BHX, BRS, MAN, DUB and ORK. How they can fly to ORK and DUB with the above enforcements in place.

Wiki-FlyGibraltar

[Edited 2006-07-29 10:41:46]

[Edited 2006-07-29 10:43:30]
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:58 pm

There is an article on Gibraltar in one of this month's aviation magazines: Airports I think it is.

Reason is Spain imposes a restriction on Gibraltar traffic. No flights to any EU country except for the UK.
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
Reason is Spain imposes a restriction on Gibraltar traffic.

Why do they have such authority to do this? It's pathetic. Gibraltar is not Spain, nor is it ruled by Spain, therefore Spain should not be able to dictate who services GIB and from where?
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
Hm. How about giving us Gibraltar back? Colony days are over.

Are they? Ceuta and Melilla. Give them back to Morocco.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 5):
I believe 99.99% said they dont want to be Spanish, and I'm fairly confident Britain doesnt care too much to own a colony that doesnt make money either.

Gibraltar's economy makes a whole load of money, for Gibraltar. It doesn't cost the UK taxpayer one bean.
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:30 pm

Air Nostrum has applied rights to fly from Spain to GIB.

The answer in september...
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:29 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 13):
Air Nostrum has applied rights to fly from Spain to GIB.

The answer in september...

I Hope this goes through.. this would be a positive landmark

If you can only fly from the UK to Gibraltar how comes Ryanair doesnt give it a go.
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 14):
I Hope this goes through.. this would be a positive landmark

If you can only fly from the UK to Gibraltar how comes Ryanair doesnt give it a go

I agree that a deal allowing Air Nostrum access to GIB is a good thing, because under more normal circumstances, GIB would have been operating as a dual nationality airport for a long time (like Basle-Mulhouse or Geneva)

However, this is seen in 'some quarters' as being a possible step towards joint sovereignty, which I hope is highly misguided.

The current problem with GIB (I've read somewhere) is that it costs five times as much to operate into than AGP, which explains the current contraction of services by BA and ZB.
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 12):
Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
Hm. How about giving us Gibraltar back? Colony days are over.

Are they? Ceuta and Melilla. Give them back to Morocco.

Well that's a good answer  Wink Spain was even claiming a small rock 200 m off the coasts of Morocco which is called Perejil island. It was big diplomatic issue some years ago...


Anyway, under Spanish rules, GIB can not have European routes except routes to the UK. It still can have flights to other parts of the work like Tangier or Casablanca. But these service ceased.
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:01 am

I read that landing fees at RAF Gibraltar are 4 to 5 times that of Malaga, which might explain why Ryanair et al haven't come.


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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
Why do they have such authority to do this? It's pathetic. Gibraltar is not Spain, nor is it ruled by Spain, therefore Spain should not be able to dictate who services GIB and from where?

well I suppose you have to fly over Spanish airspace and they can restrict that. So a GIB-FRA flight wont be very profitable if they have to fly around Spain.
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 5):
Monarch from LGW in the afternoon

ZB dont fly LGW-GIB, only LTN-GIB
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 19):
Monarch from LGW in the afternoon

ZB dont fly LGW-GIB, only LTN-GIB

Agreed.. it was my typo.

1x daily LTN Monarch
2x daily LGW BA (GB Airways)
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
Hm. How about giving us Gibraltar back? Colony days are over.

Self-determination says otherwise. The Gibraltarians say they don't want to be Spanish, so who has the right to force them ? Gibraltar has been a Crown Colony longer than the U.S.A. has been independent (IIRC it was the Treaty of Aix or something, after the war of the Spanish Succession or the 30 years war or some such - anyway, a treaty is a treaty, get over it moveon.org) - stop complaining, you got Menorca back.
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 9):
it said gibraltar has its own airline starting in 2007! FlyGibraltar apparently

GB Airways is Gibraltars own airline. Back in 1969 when it was called Gibraltar Airways I flew on their DC3 ( G-AMFV) from Tangier to Gibraltar one Sunday morning. Only 4 pax (all spotters!) and they let us stand in the cockpit on the way over. It only moved out of Gibraltar when it expanded and could not fly anywhere.

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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:36 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
Why do they have such authority to do this? It's pathetic. Gibraltar is not Spain, nor is it ruled by Spain, therefore Spain should not be able to dictate who services GIB and from where?

Yeah, I agree, but the problem, at least according to our tour guide in 2005 is that in practical terms you have to fly thru Spanish airspace to land there, hence Spain can enforce its ban. Looking down from the top of the Rock, I can belive it!

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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 6):
How about we give you and Spain The Isle of Wight

Shock!!!! Although we now have flights to London, Guernsey and Jersey with Manchester soon to appear so that would be more than GIB.
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):
Treaty of Aix

1713 Treaty of Urtrecht.

We kept to our side of the bargain, and stopped attacking the Spanish ships bring the gold and silver plunder back from the new world. We also helped the Spanish kick the French out of their country during the Peninsular war, Maybe the Spanish would like to repossess the vast areas of Andalucia that they gave to the Duke of Wellington, and still owned by his estate?and indeed We also gave them back Menorca - which I think was quite nice of us.

I reckon the day that Spain hand back Ceuta and Melilla, we could hand back "El Peñon", but of course, ask any Spaniard, and you'd be told that is different. Really?

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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 5):
If Britain handed it back, 99% of the population and all it's prosperity would leave to the UK, leaving what you had 300 years ago.. a worthless lump of stone with a runway.

Wow... could this have been Europe's earliest runway? Big grin

News, however, from The World Travel Market (via Pprune), to bring us back on topic:

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Fly Gibraltar Land at World Travel Market - 18/Jul/2006

Gibraltar’s first low cost and local based airline will be setting out its stand for the first time at London’s World Travel Market between 6-9 November at ExCeL London.

Fly Gibraltar plans to launch low cost flights from The Rock of Gibraltar to London Stansted, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester, Dublin and Cork from April 2007, but expects to start ticketing from October 2006.

“We are delighted to welcome Fly Gibraltar to World Travel Market” which this year has a major focus on the airline industry with a two-day conference with IATA and a stage debate”, said Fiona Jeffery, World Travel Market’s managing director.

“As Gibraltar has no direct air links from Ireland at present and is served from the UK with flights out of Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton, Fly Gibraltar’s new scheduled services are seen as a major step forward for the destination.”

Backed by Gibraltar-based property development company OEM (International) Ltd, the new carrier will operate two leased Boeing 737-300 aircraft in a one-class configuration carrying 148 passengers.

Managing director, Mark Carreras, said the overseas property owner market would be a natural target for the new operation but considerable traffic would also be derived from pure business and holidaymakers both to Gibraltar and to Spain.

“We know that 65% to 70% of the passengers currently flying into Gibraltar cross over to Spain and I would not expect that to be any different from our operation,” said Mr Carreras.

Although specific route prices have yet to be announced, Mr Carreras said that prices will be as low as from £29.99 one way.

Fly Gibraltar’s appearance at World Travel Market will represent its first public outing in the UK and Mr Carreras said it would be a great showcase for the airline.

“We have a very good stand next to the Balearic Islands and Andalucia which is great for us as we are looking forward to attracting many passengers going to that part of the world,” he said.

Fly Gibraltar will be exhibiting at stand number EM580.
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 23):
Yeah, I agree, but the problem, at least according to our tour guide in 2005 is that in practical terms you have to fly thru Spanish airspace to land there, hence Spain can enforce its ban. Looking down from the top of the Rock, I can belive it!

Actually the aircraft does not enter spanish airspace...

The approach of this aircraft to the landing strip is quite spectacular....

The aircraft approached from the east and performed a complete 180 degree circle over the med round the rock before banking sharply and performing a quite high descent onto the runway from the south west. I would imagine a degree of skill is required as the runway isnt that long and has the Med Sea either end of the runway and the rock obviously in the middle of this circular manouvre.

Take off was easier.. the aircraft just went west to east and into the sky but it did bank immediate right into the med but didnt 180 the rock, which to me suggests the plane follows the spanish coastline in international waters and crosses over France.

This picture in the database shows the airport as taken from the rock. The Spanish borderis the long straight line running parallel just above the runway, Spain is everything above the line, note also the main road crossing the runway, you can clearly see the border at the end of the road, where it meets "The Line"
The airport building is to the right of the road.. basically it's the small building between the road and the airstrip.

You can see how big the town of La Linea (The Line) is and obviously how this sptang up in relation to business with Gibraltar

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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:42 pm

I think Gibraltar is one of the most interesting places (the town and the airport) in the Iberian peninsula. It is incredible how British it is! I was there last summer and definetly loved the surreal sensation of suddenly being in a small piece of Britain in the south of Spain. I just loved it!!! It was great to do some shopping at Marks & Spencer, and then have a nice English fish & chips just 14 kms in front of Africa.
I hope it never becomes Spanish, they should keep it 100% British... come on, its whole charme comes from the status it has. Furthermore, the fact of being British doesnt only give Gibraltar a higher standard of living, but also attracts many tourists that leave a lot of money in the area.

Regarding the airport: it's just awesome! Another surreal thing in the place. BTW, does someone know how long the runway is? It looks indeed really really short.
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting BA0242 (Reply 28):
It was great to do some shopping at Marks & Spencer, and then have a nice English fish & chips just 14 kms in front of Africa.

One should turn one's back on darkest Africa and face toward England when enjoying fish and chips or a cream tea on the Rock. Really, what were you thinking?

Quoting BA0242 (Reply 28):
Regarding the airport: it's just awesome! Another surreal thing in the place. BTW, does someone know how long the runway is? It looks indeed really really short.

It's approximately 1,720 metres in dreadful Euro money, which is about a mile long. Not that short really.

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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting BA0242 (Reply 28):
Regarding the airport: it's just awesome! Another surreal thing in the place. BTW, does someone know how long the runway is? It looks indeed really really short.

1829 x 46m.


A question: - is a flight from Gibraltar to the UK treated as Domestic, or do you have to go through Customs/Immigration?

Quoting Jamesontheroad (Reply 26):
Fly Gibraltar plans to launch low cost flights from The Rock of Gibraltar to London Stansted, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester, Dublin and Cork from April 2007, but expects to start ticketing from October 2006.

Are they going to try and get around those regulations by stating that Dublin and Cork are within the Common Travel Area and thus could be treated the same as the UK for aviation purposes?

What could Spain do if the UK refused to go by the agreement and have anyone and everyone operating to/from Gibraltar if they wish?
I guess they could close the border... they've done that before, and Gibraltar survived - they probably would survive again.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
How about giving us Gibraltar back?

Because the Gibraltarians don't want to go!  Smile
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting Thowman (Reply 25):
I reckon the day that Spain hand back Ceuta and Melilla, we could hand back "El Peñon", but of course, ask any Spaniard, and you'd be told that is different. Really?

C & M were Spanish long before there was any 'Morocco' (we're talking XVI century here) while Gibraltar was Spanish before Brit, there's the difference.

Anyway, most of the whining right now comes from hard-line conservative loons, while very much the rest of the population doesn't give a f*** about the place as long as everyone is happy.
 
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RE: Gibraltar - Why So Few Flights

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting JJJ (Reply 31):
Anyway, most of the whining right now comes from hard-line conservative loons, while very much the rest of the population doesn't give a f*** about the place as long as everyone is happy

Good! Everyone is happy. If anything, Gibraltar should be seen as a slightly quirky peculiarity......a territorial idiosyncrasy. Makes life more interesting I think.

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