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IAH Will Be Redone Again

Sun Jul 30, 2006 2:57 pm

The current issue of CITE, a magazine produced by the Rice architecture school has a fabulous article on IAH. and discusses how two factors changed the plans for the airport: the development of the hub system, and the need for fewer security posts. The future was planned but the future was nothing like what was planned when the old terminals A and B were built. Each of these old terminals required 4 security points. Apprently Houston's airport authority is planning to destroy everything except terminals D and E and set up parallel terminals akin to Denver or Atlanta (or Cincinnati), and have two check-in terminals, on each end, one for domestic, the other for interntional flights. It is very humbling to read this article and realize how our attempts at understanding the future are so futile. I could not help but wonder how the current plans do not take into account future factors about which we know next to nothing.
The new terminal E, with its international arrival center, by the way, is beautiful, spacious, and easy to use.
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:01 pm

I find tearing down Terminal C at IAH a bit hard to believe, especially with the makeover that is going on the inside.

Where can this article be seen online?
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
?



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
I find tearing down Terminal C at IAH a bit hard to believe, especially with the makeover that is going on the inside.

Where can this article be seen online

It is available at a few newstands in Houston in the SW area such as at Brazos Book Store, and online can be purchased. There is no on-line copy. Terminal C will be around quite a while, this discussion was about long-term plans.
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
I find tearing down Terminal C at IAH a bit hard to believe, especially with the makeover that is going on the inside.

It's happening. A B & C will be replaced with FIVE ATL style banks of terminals. It looks like there will also be more terminals to the EAST of D/E. Billions are planning to be spent.

http://web.houstonairportsystem.org/iahmasterplan/frame.htm
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:52 pm

YAY! ive been waiting for the B terminal at IAH to be torn down (the little CO ex terminal, with no a/c, no phones, no food, no bathrooms , no t.v ) i went there once and man i wont be going there again. Big grin great news .



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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:06 am

What can I say? Who knew?

Looks like the IAH Marriott is history too. Welcome to Atla, er, Houston.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
What can I say? Who knew?

The Houston Airport City Planners and review boards new I would think! I heard of this possiblity around 6 months ago as well as other runways in the master plan for the airport. As was said in a previous post, try looking at the HAS site.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:33 am

What I don't understand is why there is a fascination with ONE security checkpoint. I hate ATL, DEN and CVG because during peak times, you have to stand in long, long lines. It's a nightmare at IAH now to go through security since both C and E terminals use the same checkpoint. I love the fact that each terminal at DFW has multiple security checkpoints.
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:38 am

never been in A.

E is decent, C is okay, D is dumpy, and B is an absolute nightmare.

I won't shed a tear to see B go, that place ranks up there as one of the worst terminals in any airport in the United States!
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:39 am

[quote=DeltaFFinDFW,reply=7] both C and E terminals use the same checkpoint[/quote

What? When was the last time you flew out of IAH in either of those terminals. Terminal E has an entirely different location for security, in fact they actually have 3 different spots, the main departure and ticketing area, the tiny checkpoint near the Terminal C parking garage and then there is Terminal C's checkpoint in the ticket lobby of "C".

I will agree a single point is horrid, but even DEN has ways to get around that single point if you are flying from I think Terminal A, (the CO terminal and who else may be in there as wel), walk across the bridge over the ramp taxilane and bingo, there you are another checkpoint.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:47 am

I heard this a couple weeks ago. If this is what they want then so be it. They better put our RJ's up somewhere good. I like that terminal, although the trains can get annoying, and the elevators, and that its a shitty terminal. I love E and D so they better make the new ones like them. Open and spacious.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
IAH Marriott

I love that hotel. Dammit. That means I gotta go the Quality Inn Airport now. Ahh whatever that place is great for just a night and cheap.  Smile
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting COEXpilot (Reply 10):
I love that hotel. Dammit. That means I gotta go the Quality Inn Airport now. Ahh whatever that place is great for just a night and cheap.

Ahhhhh come on Jetlincoln driver, you think they would not have a first class hotel on the airport property connected to a people mover before ripping the ole Marriott down?? But it is a great spot after flying allllllll day/night to be able to grab a room and not have to worry about the drive home after a few adult bevs!  Smile
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 7):
What I don't understand is why there is a fascination with ONE security checkpoint. I hate ATL, DEN and CVG because during peak times, you have to stand in long, long lines. It's a nightmare at IAH now to go through security since both C and E terminals use the same checkpoint. I love the fact that each terminal at DFW has multiple security checkpoints.

If there are the same amount of screeners either way, who really cares if it's one big line or six smaller ones?



I for one won't mind B disappearing.
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 12):
If there are the same amount of screeners either way, who really cares if it's one big line or six smaller ones?

Because it's usually not the same. Again, look at DFW. In Terminal E, there are 10-12 security checkpoints open during peak hours. Multiply that by 5 terminals. Do you really think the TSA would have 50-60 checkpoints at the airport if we had one entrance?
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 7):
It's a nightmare at IAH now to go through security since both C and E terminals use the same checkpoint. I love the fact that each terminal at DFW has multiple security checkpoints.

When I fly CO I usually checkin at B and just go on over via TerminaLink--the line is long at times at the security at B but it moves quickly--much quicker than C.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 12):

I for one won't mind B disappearing



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
B is an absolute nightmare.

I won't shed a tear to see B go



Quoting Garri767 (Reply 4):
B terminal at IAH to be torn down (the little CO ex terminal, with no a/c, no phones, no food, no bathrooms , no t.v )




Good to know im not alone on this  Silly
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Rktsci (Reply 3):
It's happening. A B & C will be replaced with FIVE ATL style banks of terminals. It looks like there will also be more terminals to the EAST of D/E. Billions are planning to be spent.

So if Terminal A will be rebuilt, then why were the new concourses that replaced the old banjos built?
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 15):
Quoting N353SK (Reply 12):
I for one won't mind B disappearing


Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8): B is an absolute nightmare.

I won't shed a tear to see B go


Quoting Garri767 (Reply 4):B terminal at IAH to be torn down (the little CO ex terminal, with no a/c, no phones, no food, no bathrooms , no t.v )



Good to know im not alone on this  

Ohhh.. You are NOT alone. I have yet to find a fellow COEX employee who enjoys B.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 4):
AY! ive been waiting for the B terminal at IAH to be torn down (the little CO ex terminal, with no a/c, no phones, no food, no bathrooms , no t.v ) i went there once and man i wont be going there again.

Isn't B the second terminal of the original airport that was built back in 69? It's a carbon copy of A. What happened to all of the above? It originally had them, didn't it?
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:56 am

when i flew IAH-AMA (May 14th , 2006) I had to to go to the B terminal. it had seats. that was it. No tv , no restaurants, no phones, no restrooms, NOTHING to keep you occupied . and there rarely is a seat available in that place. plus , you have to take a long bus ride to your plane. its a real piece of junk imho.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:02 am

Oh come on shannon, we have plenty of restaurants in terminal B....just none that I would want to eat at  Smile

Chilis, McDonald's, Harlon's BBQ, Shirley's Donuts, Panchitos Mexican, and the Grove Ice Cream.

You must've stayed in the dungeon known as gate B84. I'm sure it will be refurbished eventually, but it's pretty far down on the list of priorities. After all, Express is just the red-headed stepchild of CO. They don't need a real terminal  Smile
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 19):
it had seats. that was it. No tv , no restaurants, no phones, no restrooms, NOTHING to keep you occupied

Is it the job of the airport to entertain you? I would think with all the portable devices people have today, that wouldn't be necessary. I personally would check my email on my BlackBerry or surf the web on my phone. I guess people just have to be entertained every minute these days.

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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
I won't shed a tear to see B go, that place ranks up there as one of the worst terminals in any airport in the United States!

I don't know, I suppose I will miss those ol' Banjo gates in some ways. I am little older than some of you so I recall fondly many of trips on Braniff through 'B' in the 70s while visiting relatives in Houston from MSP (check out the pic of me in my profile from the long closed observation deck ontop of the banjo itself). But I digress, as a frequent COEX user I do agree with the consensus that these gates have outlived their usefulness and have no place at a modern hub.


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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 20):
You must've stayed in the dungeon known as gate B84

i think i did, arent the gates numbered 84A , 84B , 84C etc.?.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:33 am

Yeah, it goes from B84A to B84E. Those are the only gates that will include a bus ride.

Those are the hardstands....COEX has 15 hardstand positions and about 30 gates w/jetways in terminal B.
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 4):
the little CO ex terminal, with no a/c, no phones, no food, no bathrooms , no t.v )

I've never been in B at IAH, but from what you say besides jetways...is there anything?  Smile Do they make you sit on the floor, or are there at least cardboard boxes to sit on?

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 7):
What I don't understand is why there is a fascination with ONE security checkpoint. I hate ATL, DEN and CVG because during peak times, you have to stand in long, long lines.

If a single checkpoint is properly staffed, I think it's better for the pax and the overall efficiency of the system - all of your pax are moving through the same point, so there aren't 10 screeners at one checkpoint twidling their thumbs while the screeners at another are managing a line that stretches to Long Term parking and back, and as a pax you don't have to go through the "Well...It's Wednesday...5 PM...I think my best shot is the checkpoint for Concourse B" mental exercise.

That being said, ATL was miserable. I was flying with a coworker earlier this year; I'm an Elite...he isn't. I went through the "short" line, he did the "mere mortal" line*. We both got in line at the same time. I was waiting for him for 36 minutes on the other side.

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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:42 am

What is more important?
Spending billions to homogenize the airport for efficiency?
Or keeping a few extra employed security agents and a facility with
some history and character?
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:29 pm

Terminal B is lackluster but not as bad as most of these threads imply--at the center of the terminal where you check-in there are plenty of shopping and dining options--plus that area has been renovated--the banjos are pretty basic and they are cramped at peak times. So yeah B needs to come down and at some point and be replaced with a more efficient setup. While its no Galleria mall its no 'dump' either. A.net is known for hyperbole.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 25):
I've never been in B at IAH, but from what you say besides jetways...is there anything? Do they make you sit on the floor, or are there at least cardboard boxes to sit on?

first off, its the dungeon of terminal B, you go down the escelator to where a lot of the CO EX flights are. there are not jetways...there are seats but when i was there, they were all full. so funny enough, WE DID sit on the floor! LOL




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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Shanderawx (Reply 26):


What is more important?
Spending billions to homogenize the airport for efficiency?
Or keeping a few extra employed security agents and a facility with
some history and character?

Nothing wrong with character...or more people employed either.
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 11):
Jetlincoln driver

What exactly is Jetlincoln? Not something I have heard of, and I've been with the company since the inception of Continental Express. Jetlink (their callsign) maybe?

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 7):
What I don't understand is why there is a fascination with ONE security checkpoint.

It's a hub. The vast majority of traffic is connecting. This is exactly the type of layout you use for a hub. You simply don't need multiple segregated terminals and checkpoints. There are two terminals for non-CO airlines. The satellite concourses are for CO only.

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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:15 am

Dude, B is a dump, whether you like it or not.

I'm not looking to be entertained, but I am looking for some sort of reasonable space to wait for my flight.

-Way overcrowded, never any seats available
-Bathrooms are about 10 times too small, with entrances that are too small, usually flooded, and have an absolutely terribile smell.
-Standing room only, often backed all the way up to the corridors.
-Poor PA system, with about 10 gate agents blaring at once
-No clear aisles for movement to get to/from the gates
-No sense of order.

It was not designed to handle the type of operation COEX is attempting to run.
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Shanderawx (Thread starter):
he new terminal E, with its international arrival center, by the way, is beautiful, spacious, and easy to use.

Not if you are
a) standing in line at immigration for 3 hours ..which I have done TWICE...while the "assisters" let other jump in front of you who are late for connecting flights because of the long line/lack of agents to begin with ..vicious circle
b) catching a connecting flight after coming in from international in which they try to SQUEEZE you into 2 rescreening lines which rather large women screaming at you " I wanna see you pciture ID....hold it open or we will pull you aside"

HAving said that .. I take IAH any day of MIA.

And yes Terminal B is a dump!
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 28):
first off, its the dungeon of terminal B, you go down the escalator to where a lot of the CO EX flights are. there are not jetways...there are seats but when i was there, they were all full. so funny enough, WE DID sit on the floor! LOL

The 'dungeon', as Garri calls it,are Gates B84 A-D. This is a busing area for up to 12 (perhaps more) hardstand ERJ departures at any given time. I'm informed the short term plan is to enlarge the area to give a bit more space. Longer term is to replace the four B 'pods' with two much larger 'E'-shaped concourses. Just when this may/will happen is anyone's guess.  scratchchin 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting 777gk (Reply 30):
What exactly is Jetlincoln? Not something I have heard of, and I've been with the company since the inception of Continental Express. Jetlink (their callsign) maybe?

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

It is something some use in the ATC world for the callsign, some of the sharp pilots enjoy it!
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:55 pm

As a pilot for CoEx based at IAH, I can agree the "pod" area's of terminal B are a dump, plain and simple; however the main Lobby has been "updated" and looks like any other modern terminal. The problem with tearing down terminal B is there isn't a temporary place to relocate all of the Express Jet departures while the new terminal is built. I also agree the basement (B84 a-e) is hiddious for the customers and crews alike. Again the problem is, we don't have enough room. There is such a demand for the flights but there aren't enough jetways to accomodate the planes, thus the need for the basement.
Express Jet is aware of the space issues at IAH and I am sure they are working on solutions to the problem. Just hang in there and roll with it for a little while longer.  Smile
 
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RE: IAH Will Be Redone Again

Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:01 pm

Isn't "A" basically brand new?
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