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AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:11 am

AA plans to remove the ovens in the coach galley on most of its fleet. The aircraft effected will be the S80 (complete), 737, most of the 757 (the 757ER that are flown on legs to Europe keep them all others will have them removed) , and the 767-200 (used in transcon markets). Since these airplanes are flown on routes that no longer offer any meal service in coach the ovens are useless extra weight. The 767-300, 777 and the A300 will retain their ovens since they are still used on certain flights were those aircraft are flown.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:14 am

Somewhat old news. The MD-80 mods begin in Sept, and will also see the addition of 4 economy seats as the galleys get ripped out.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
as the galleys get ripped out.

If the galleys get ripped out, where will the crew prepare drinks / store the duty free trolleys etc?
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:32 am

Removing them from some 757s, doesn't that limit fleet utilization, because only certain aircraft can fly the longer routes? Or are there already certain aircraft that only fly the longer atlantic routes?
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
If the galleys get ripped out, where will the crew prepare drinks / store the duty free trolleys etc?

No galleys = no trolleys
Solution . . . more overhead bin space for duty free items and drinks
and a fold-down table to work at.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
If the galleys get ripped out, where will the crew prepare drinks / store the duty free trolleys etc?

Duty free, on domestic flights? Nope.  Smile And I don't believe all the galleys will be ripped out, just the extra galley space where the ovens were, IIRC.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:49 am

If you are going to have a beaverage and snack service you have to have a galley.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
(the 757ER that are flown on legs to Europe keep them all others will have them removed

Aside from the fact that there is officially no such airplane as the 752ER....does AA have a subfleet of ETOPS qualified 752s that it uses for its transatlantic and select latin american/transatantic services? Those aircraft will keep warm galleys?

I find the info concerning the 752 confusing......on one hand, AA is adding winglets and plans to use the 752s on longer routes (all of the talk about MIA-regional Brazilian airports, for example, once authorities can be worked out) and on the other hand, they are pulling the galleys out of the airplanes....odd.

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I hope that AA is not making a mistake here......as things hopefully normalize in the US airline industry, at some point, AA may wish to return to being a full service carrier that offers meals onboard (for competitive reasons, etc).....and it will cost a lot to reinstall all of those ovens.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:08 am

Any ideas how much weight they'll be pulling off each plane?
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:29 am

As far as the 757 fleet is concerned AA has about 20 or so that are designated as 757ER, they fly routes to Hawaii and Europe. The other 757s dont have overwater equipment, thus would never fly Hawaii or Europe and have no need for ovens. Now on the S80, they were originally equipped with double galley in the back. The second galley will be removed and seats added. A small galley will remain to park the carts, and store beverages etc.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:32 am

What if, by chance a non oven galley goes into rotation for a flight where hot meals are served. It would bound to occur. Would be a flight I do not want to work.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
What if, by chance a non oven galley goes into rotation for a flight where hot meals are served. It would bound to occur. Would be a flight I do not want to work.

Basically the flights that still have hot meals in Y are Europe, Asia, and deep South America. AA will NEVER dispatch a S80, 737, or a non ER 757 on any of those routes. So it is safe to say it will never happen.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:35 am

There are technically 4 subfleets of 757's:

1) ex-TWA PW-powered 757's: to be removed from the fleet as leases expire over the next 2 years
2) non-over water equiped 757's: some of the older 757's, that a limited to domestic runs as they do not have rafts....they may have made all 757's overwater equipment to increase fleet flexibility
3) overwater equiped 757's: have rafts and used to fly routes to/from Carribean, Latin America, better offshore routings, etc
4) ETOPS 757's: the newest delivery 757's, used for Hawaii & Trans-Atlantic, will receive winglets, will retain ovens in coach galleys.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 9):
As far as the 757 fleet is concerned AA has about 20 or so that are designated as 757ER, they fly routes to Hawaii and Europe.

Cool, thanks for pointing that out....thus the 757ERs (as AA is calling them) are the ETOPS capable airplanes, thus, there is a 757 subfleet for longer haul operations.

Its going to be interesting to see how many 757s keep their warm galleys.....if AA plans to use the 752s on more longer routes, more than 20 will need warm galleys. I am still thinking that this could be a mistake, especially on airplanes like the 738 and 752, at some point, AA may want to use these airplanes on more longer range routes and will then have to replace the galleys. Time will tell.......thanks for the info!
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:38 am

It is sad to see that is cost cutting measure is permanent. I used to somewhat think that it is a temporary thing, until the airlines get back on their feet. But we can beasically expect never to see meal service on certain flights again.

Does CO still offer meal service?
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:40 am

They can always do cold food service if it comes to it - sandwiches, salads, as most CO flights do.

Plus the ovens will probably just sit around in a warehouse for the time being.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 14):
Does CO still offer meal service?

Yes....they do. CO serves snacks, meals, etc in both F and Y at the appropriate times.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):

Plus the ovens will probably just sit around in a warehouse for the time being.

I believe NW is doing the same thing. I was wondering whether they would save the ovens or send them to the nearest dump. er, "Recycling Facility."
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:29 am

I guess I too am a little surprised the ovens are going from all 757's and 737's. Some 737's head to Caribbean/South America and I guess I was hopeful AA would bring meal service back to transcon/Hawaii flights. I guess not.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
The aircraft effected will be the S80 (complete), 737, most of the 757 (the 757ER that are flown on legs to Europe keep them all others will have them removed) , and the 767-200 (used in transcon markets). Since these airplanes are flown on routes that no longer offer any meal service in coach the ovens are useless extra weight.

All flights to South America (as well as POS, BGI, and, UVF) have hot meal service, and many are flown wiht 738s.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 14):
But we can beasically expect never to see meal service on certain flights again.

Come on, it's not like plane food was ever any good, no matter how far up front you sit.

Just eat something at the airport before you leave. It doesn't have to be McDonald's if you look around. There's a great steak house at CO's EWR terminal ("Gallagher's"). MIA has the "Top of the Port" restaurant. I'm sure there's some "Zagat Guide to Airport Dining" somewhere...

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 15):
They can always do cold food service if it comes to it

Are cold meals refrigerated until they're served? If so, then they won't be able to remove any refrigeration equipment without kissing off on cold meal service, too, right?
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 20):
Are cold meals refrigerated until they're served? If so, then they won't be able to remove any refrigeration equipment without kissing off on cold meal service, too, right?

There is no refreidgeration equipment on any of AA's aircraft. Most stuff is kept cold with dry ice.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:42 am

I do not miss the meals on AA flights, most of the meals were ok but some were uneatable because someone in the kitchen who thought that because they like pepper or some other spices, everyone else should like it to.

I would rather spend the money and buy something that I like either off airport on at an airport shop. Now when I fly I carry a little foldable insulated cooler, I stop either at a Subway or similar type chain sub shop for a sandwich or buy one at an airport shop and carry it on the plane, small bistro sized coolers and bags are not considered one of your 2 carry on item allowance. I usually gat a bag of chips and a cookie to round out the meal and wait until the beverage service so I have something to drink with my meal. This way I get to eat what I want, not be told that “sorry we are out of your selection, this is all we have left”

On a recent flight back from TPA, my wife and I enjoyed some delicious wraps we purchased at the airport, the passenger seated opposite me on the aisle kept looking at my wrap as all he had to eat was a bag of pretzels.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:50 am

This is common practice these days. DL removed all of their ovens in Y on the MD-88 a few years ago (2003 I think). The 738s still have all of them though as well as a good portion of 757s as these are used on Latin American runs.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:03 am

AA does not have to worry about feeding anyone in coach class. I was on 2 7:00am flights and nothing was offered to even purchase to eat. And getting anything to drink was like pulling teeth. American Eagle howeve, gave us can's of soft drinks to drink. But, if AA proves this to be a big money saver, we will see all the other carriers doing the same...

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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:05 am

Now we can just remember the time when good meals, like real breackfasts, lunchs or dinners were served even in a 1hr flight...

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
and the A300

Wich flights flow by the A300 have meal service?
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 25):

Wich flights flow by the A300 have meal service?

JFK-STI/SDQ/MBJ
MIA-LIM/GYE

I really don't think they are going to get rid of kitchens on all their 738s. It makes no sense. They serve hot meals on all Miami-South America flights, many flown with 738s.

AA has extensive meal service on their Latin America/Caribbean network. This includes:

*All JFK-South America flights.
*All JFK-Caribbean flights except CUN.
*All BOS-Caribbean flights except SJU.
*All MIA-South America flights.
*All MIA-POS/BGI/UVF flights.
*All DFW-South America flights.
*DFW-LIR
*EWR-SJU
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):
AA has extensive meal service on their Latin America/Caribbean network.

Cereal or 'breakfast burrito' (...) on morning flights, a tasteless sandwich for lunch, I'd hardly call that extensive.

Throw in the nonexistent smiles, carelessness and prison guard attitude of the cabin attendants, and you've got one of the worst inflight service on any airline ever, and I'd even be tempted to include the LCCs...

Yeah, throw the ovens, burn the galleys, what the hell. For what they do with it, it's just as well.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):
I really don't think they are going to get rid of kitchens on all their 738s. It makes no sense. They serve hot meals on all Miami-South America flights, many flown with 738s.

AA has extensive meal service on their Latin America/Caribbean network. This includes:

*All JFK-South America flights.
*All JFK-Caribbean flights except CUN.
*All BOS-Caribbean flights except SJU.
*All MIA-South America flights.
*All MIA-POS/BGI/UVF flights.
*All DFW-South America flights.
*DFW-LIR
*EWR-SJU

This make sense.. Although, how much can be a oven's weight??
Heard that DL took of 24 cans of every flight and saved 250.000,00 dollars per year...
A oven should be at least 10 times havier than this, and considering AA's narrowbodie fleet is almost 3 times DL's, this would result in aproxametly a 7.500.000,00 dollars a year...
Considering the problem this would cause for all the routes listed above, this shouldn't be done...
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:32 am

I haven't flown AA in years, nor have I particularly paid attention to what they do. Nevertheless, can someone explain to me what the extent of their IFE actually is? Do they offer buy on board on any domestic (US) flights? UA's buy on board seems to do pretty well and all of the meals offered require no heating whatsoever (salads and wraps). If AA has a similar product in Y class, it's pretty easy to understand why they'd pull some of the ovens.


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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 21):
There is no refreidgeration equipment on any of AA's aircraft. Most stuff is kept cold with dry ice.

All of AA's widebodies, ie, 777, A300 and 763s/762s are equipped with chillers.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:59 am

The ovens are already gone on the S80. AA is begining to remove the cabinets that housed the ovens in order to put in the 2 rows of seats.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 21):
There is no refreidgeration equipment on any of AA's aircraft. Most stuff is kept cold with dry ice.

AA's 767's and 777's have chillers in the galley's that keep things cool for items requiring it on long flights.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 28):
how much can be a oven's weight??

Standard ovens with room for 32 entrees have an empty weight of 41-43lbs or 18-19kg, and a 757 probably have four ovens in the rear Y galley... so that's 170lbs less weight to fly around, and if you multiply that with 100 aircraft the weight savings should be quite significant, I'd say.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
If the galleys get ripped out, where will the crew prepare drinks / store the duty free trolleys etc?

Ovens, coffee makers (brewers), and coolers are all removeable on the aircraft. This will save on weight. Makes sense since AA wont do domestic meal service anymore in Coach.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 24):
American Eagle howeve, gave us can's of soft drinks to drink.

That was because our galleys and trash space is so limited on RJ's that it's easier to hand out cans than let them pile up while we're serving. And then you can crush them later if you need more space in the trash bin.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:51 am

Im glad american eagle still serves drinks and food (food for $ but still) . I always love that coffee / hot chocolate on the 7 am flight to DFW  Wink





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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 28):
3 times DL's, this would result in aproxametly a 7.500.000,00 dollars a year...
Considering the problem this would cause for all the routes listed above, this shouldn't be done...

Yeah but you missed part of the point. They will replace the galley with four additional seats. That will generate additional revenue. There may well be no cost savings as any weight savings will be more than offset by the weight of the four additional passengers and their luggage.

The revenue increase for a full year of operation could generate somewhere between $132 million and $385 million incremental per year.

My assessment is based on (low end) 4 new seats per plane, 471 planes (Super 80s, most of the 757s), 70% load, $100 incremental revenue per seat, 4 flight legs per day of service, 250 operational days.

On the high end 4 new seats per plan, 471 planes, 85 load, $400 incremental revenue per seat, 2 flight legs per day of service (longer routes, thus higher revenue) and 300 operational days.

Feel free to criticize my assumptions -- I don't know anything -- but in doing the math you can see the potential pay-off is much larger than the cost savings discussed in the thread.

On a personal note, I like bringing my own food on board. Airports have adapted adding many more choices as they have modernized and updated over the past ten years.

[Edited 2006-07-31 03:16:36]
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 14):
Does CO still offer meal service?

CO offers cold meals on most of their flights that aren't too short. The meals are small, simple, but in my opinion a great touch, and when you are traveling and in a hurry, getting a snack on the plane can make all the difference.


I can think of some AA flights on S80s that I might want to eat something on...the S80 ORD-SAN i do my best to avoid for instance.

I am not happy see AA taking skimpy service as a long term decision. Even NW admits that when their finances are rectified, they intend to start to bring the level of service back up a bit. It seems like CO, UA, and on occasion DL have the right idea - that people want to be treated like people - not livestock on aircraft, and appreciate the airlines taking measures to make flying feel pleasurable - if not special.
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 39):
I am not happy see AA taking skimpy service as a long term decision. Even NW admits that when their finances are rectified, they intend to start to bring the level of service back up a bit. It seems like CO, UA, and on occasion DL have the right idea - that people want to be treated like people - not livestock on aircraft, and appreciate the airlines taking measures to make flying feel pleasurable - if not special.

I would note that of the airlines you mention only AA has beaten bankruptcy so far. The great cattle car of the sky WN is the only other major that hasn't been bankrupt. If you're flying people domestic coach, having a fare thats $5 cheaper seems superior to anything you could reasonably give the customers for that $5. Business and first is a completely different animal, but we're talking coach here.

Given the choice, I'd much rather select something at the airport and take it with me than eat what they used to hand out on domestic flights. In fact I used to always buy a sandwich even when there was meal service because it was hardly ever worth eating.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:44 am

American Airlines (AA/ AAL) operates the Boeing 757-223ET on their ETOPS/ Longer Flights. Most of you will recognize these B752's as they are the one's being fitted first with blended winglets.

There is no such model as B752ER in AA’s fleet; I don’t even know if Boeing ever produced an ER classification for the 757. I am only familiar with the ET designation standing for Extended Travel.

It is shame however that they have to remove the ovens on the MD-80's, B738's and B752's other than the ET models to save money as American used have excellent food service in the past on almost all of their flights.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:04 pm

Why does everyone love bashing AA so much, I have flown for years with American and have enjoyed 95% of my flights. Everyone seems to never have a nice thing to say even if they try about AA and it is getting a very old. Just because they happen to be the largest and not bankrupt I guess that doesn't count?

Thanks for sticking up for them AA777SJC.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
I hope that AA is not making a mistake here......as things hopefully normalize in the US airline industry, at some point, AA may wish to return to being a full service carrier that offers meals onboard (for competitive reasons, etc).....and it will cost a lot to reinstall all of those ovens.

My first thought too. Then I remembered this is pretty much the way we always do things.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:27 pm

I think this is a good move. Times are changing and AA is maximizing their resources - again. By removing the ovens, they can indeed add more revenue per flight.

The days of full-service are evolving. The travelling public has made it clear they want transportation on short to medium flights and great tasting food is no longer relevant. Remember the days when airlines had to prepare for kosher, vegetarian, low-cal, etc. meals? Those associated costs are now being redcued. Airline food was always medicore at best so moving to BOB isn't too much of a reduction in service. I for one always get something at the terminal rather than eat anything on board. As far as IFE (which seems to be such a high priority for many A.net folk) - the iPod and video iPod has changed all of this, at least for me. I can watch/listen to whatever I want.
 
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting ILUVAA (Reply 43):
Why does everyone love bashing AA so much, I have flown for years with American and have enjoyed 95% of my flights. Everyone seems to never have a nice thing to say even if they try about AA and it is getting a very old. Just because they happen to be the largest and not bankrupt I guess that doesn't count?

I'll tell you why I'm going to bash AA - they took the fun and excitement out of flying - it's little better than taking a bus, at least on their domestic flights.

I took my first flight every on AA this past June, on a 767 between LAX and JFK. There were no free meals served on the flight. There was only a salad that you could buy for 5 bucks. I bought a salad and it was tasty, but that's not the point. It was not a meal.

AA doesn't have to serve meals on coast to coast flights, but it left a lot to be desired and I was really disappointed. Come on AA, I thought you were a full service airline. One way to a satisfied passenger is through their stomach. If you can't serve food to me on a 5 hour flight in coach, then why should I ever fly you on business, or international? I'm afraid I would be treated the same no-frills way.

To me, AA is no different than an LCC. It was my first and probably my last flight with them.

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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 20):
Come on, it's not like plane food was ever any good, no matter how far up front you sit.

I beg to differ. AA used to have very good food in coach, as well as first. I once had a Ceaser salad in coach that was much better than the Ceaser salad at the Pump Room in Chicago. AA's pasta dishes were better than about 90% of the Italian restaurants I've been too. The only place that
had better German chocolate cake than is a little bakery in the Chicago suburbs. And I've yet to find a better fruit plate than I had in first on ORD-SAT.


Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 20):
Just eat something at the airport before you leave. It doesn't have to be McDonald's if you look around. There's a great steak house at CO's EWR terminal ("Gallagher's"). MIA has the "Top of the Port" restaurant. I'm sure there's some "Zagat Guide to Airport Dining" somewhere...

But it's ridiculous to have eat at an odd time, because a flight during normal meal times has no food service. I often take AA's 11am departure out of ORD for ATL. It gets into ATL at 2pm, which is 1pm CT. It's stupid to have to either eat 2 breakfasts before getting on a plane or, eat a very late lunch by the time I get out of the airport and to my final destination.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 22):
I do not miss the meals on AA flights, most of the meals were ok but some were uneatable because someone in the kitchen who thought that because they like pepper or some other spices, everyone else should like it to.

You sound like my wife. Because my wife doesn't like spicey food, friends of ours in New York took us out to a French restaurant, rather than one of Bobby Flay's places. She also gives me grief for putting hot sauce on steak.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 22):
I would rather spend the money and buy something that I like either off airport on at an airport shop. Now when I fly I carry a little foldable insulated cooler, I stop either at a Subway or similar type chain sub shop for a sandwich or buy one at an airport shop and carry it on the plane, small bistro sized coolers and bags are not considered one of your 2 carry on item allowance. I usually gat a bag of chips and a cookie to round out the meal and wait until the beverage service so I have something to drink with my meal. This way I get to eat what I want, not be told that “sorry we are out of your selection, this is all we have left”

The last time I was told, "We're out of....," was flying first on AA from BOS to ORD in the late 90s. They were out of chicken and only had filet mignon left. I managed to survive.

But seriously, carrying food is a pain. My wife travels for business and is working on her master's. Between a very heavy briefcase, a purse, and a coat, she doesn't have a free hand to carry food. What's worse is that her company has a limit of $35 a day for food.

There is a rumour that when DL contacted her employer to discuss renewing the contract for preferred carrier, the company demanded a larger discount or other improvements, because the lack of food service was running up the travel expense due to employees eating at airports.

Then there is the woderful experience of traveling with small children. My wife and I have to travel with so much stuff anyway, that we simply can't carry meals on board. Then there's the problem of trying to get a kid to eat before he's hungry. You can't make a 3-year old understand that he has to eat at 4pm, because the there won't be any food on the airplane at 5:30pm.

So, the meltdown due to hunger and the lack of anything more substantial than cookies and Goldfish takes place at 35,000 feet.
 
apodino
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:29 pm

Thinking outside the box here. If you are an airline, does it give a better impression on your passengers if you do BOB service, or if you simply charge $5 more for a ticket and give a meal service? Think about it for a second.

AA had great food in the day. I once had a BBQ chicken dinner from them not long before 9/11. It was good. They used to have a bistro service, where you picked up a bagged meal from a cooler right before entering the jetway. I believe HP and DL also had a similar service. Tasty meals.
 
lredlefsen
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting ILUVAA (Reply 43):
Why does everyone love bashing AA so much, I have flown for years with American and have enjoyed 95% of my flights. Everyone seems to never have a nice thing to say even if they try about AA and it is getting a very old.

I agree -- my experience with AA (and, frankly, UA and CO) has been overwhelmingly good. NW is a different story -- I'll do just about anything I can to avoid flying NW. I haven't flown on DL or US for at least 10 years, so any data points I had are no longer valid. If I had to vote a legacy carrier off the island, it'd definitely be NW.

To Europe, I love BA and VS -- I've had bad experiences with LH and IB in the last 5 yrs, and continue to avoid them. VS and BA have set the bar very high (VS Upper/BA Club World are miles ahead of LH First) -- why take a chance (LH/IB) and probably be disappointed? Does it matter where you connect? LHR/LGW, FRA/MUC, MAD, CDG, ..., are pretty much equidistant from anywhere that matters, no?

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 45):
As far as IFE (which seems to be such a high priority for many A.net folk) - the iPod and video iPod has changed all of this

Exactly! And if you don't want to watch a stamp-sized video on your iPod, you can watch a Post-It-Note-sized video on a portable DVD player that you can pick up for less than $200 just about anywhere. (I'm being quite serious about this, even though I'm sounding pretty sarcastic.)

Maybe the airlines need to get with the program and offer, say, a credit on the iTunes Music Store towards downloading a movie with a plane ticket, or maybe set up vending machines that rent out DVDs at the gate for $3 -- dump it into a receptacle at the arrival airport, or you buy it ($19.95). And if you're a Plutonium Executive Titanium member, and you "buy" the DVD because you forget to return it, you get a free rental next time around. Yadda, yadda, yadda -- this isn't all that hard, is it? (Or maybe some airline should hire me as "VP of Digital Passenger Strategy" -- I'm available, for the right price tag...)

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 46):
AA - they took the fun and excitement out of flying

Honestly, *excitement* is the last thing I want when I'm flying... I want predictability.
 
ETStar
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:53 pm

I swear that my next trip will include me packing very spicy and aromatic food that I will sit and enjoy in flight when flying a no-longer-serving-food airline. One word from an attendant and he/she will get the full wrath.

Edit for politcal correctness.

[Edited 2006-07-31 06:54:04]
 
lincoln
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RE: AA To Remove Ovens From Most Aircraft

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 14):
Does CO still offer meal service?



Oh heck yeah. Food in coach isn't great (simply because it's the same two or three entrees on every flight) but it's nothing to complain about; meal service up front is spectacular and usually out-classes my palet.

One of about six dozen reasons why if it's possible to fly CO between "City A" and "City B" I will -- even if it's not the most convenient or least expensive option.

Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 49):
stamp-sized video on your iPod

Have you actually watched video on 5th generation iPod? While it's not my first choice, the screen size is adaquare and the image quality is spectacular -- yeah, the 42" broadcast-grade plasma in my living room looks a bit better, but if you're going put me on a night flight, I have no problem watching a few episodes of Law and Order on the thing to pass the time.

Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 49):
Maybe the airlines need to get with the program and offer, say, a credit on the iTunes Music Store towards

Pssst. Not sure if you already know about this, but look over there---> http://www.continental.com/web/en-us/content/deals/offers/itunes.asp

(Ok, so the promotion expires on the 31st, still...)
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