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Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:59 am

I'm new to a.net so this question may have been discussed before.

I was on a US flight SFO-PHL, seated in first class. About half-way through the flight the door to the flight deck was opened and the attendant entered with trays of food. The door remained open for 3-4 minutes while the pilot/copilot stood and chatted with her. Then the door was closed. It occurred to me that anyone crazy/crazed could have easily jumped up and 'invaded' the cockpit.

Question: in this post 9/11 world isn't that door supposed to be shut and locked during the entire flight?
 
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:37 am

I was wondering about that too and also what about on long flights where that flight crew has to change, the door can't always be closed, right?
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:41 am

I have seen this MANY times on NW flights. I have been surprised that there is not a second flight attendent to act as a lookout. On all these flights, the FA handed the meals to the flight crew and kept on chatting for a couple of minutes. Also, I have noticed the flight crew leaving the deck to go to the bathroom, and again standing around chatting with the FA with the door opened. I haven't seen this very much on CO, DL or AA, but I have seen it on the last five flights I've flown from DFW to either MSP or DTW.
 
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:42 am

It is supposed to be opened, if at all, for the least amount of time possible. Pilots need to come out to use the lavs and receive food, if on longer flights.

Each airline has their cockpit door entry procedures, all of them tied in with what the TSA and the Dept. of Homeland Security require.
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:45 am

From my experience a flight attendant normally blocks the cockpit door when one of the pilots comes out, for example to go to the restroom. At least I witnessed that behaviour on several flights on American carriers. Furthermore, the door is normally closed immediately as soon as the pilot went out or in the cockpit.
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Evan767
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:55 am

Yeah it happens all the time on DL. On transcon flights they block off the aisle with a cart and the flight attendant serves them the food. There is also a second flight attendant on lookout to make sure there are no terrorists. If there is no flight attendant on lookout, I still wouldn't worry as air marshalls are sure to be on a transcon flight.
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 5):
I still wouldn't worry as air marshalls are sure to be on a transcon flight.

It's random. No one routing getting preferential treatment over others.

[Edited 2006-07-31 00:57:44]
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:53 pm

We hear about all these requirements and practices on American carriers....what do the foreign airlines like those from Europe or Asia do, in the post 9/11 era, regarding opening of the cockpit door inflight..?
 
bond007
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:05 pm

Yeah, I was a domestic US flight and during takeoff the cockpit door flew open ... just like it always used to!


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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:13 pm

I fly DL across the pond very often in the front and they have a standart procedure everytime the pilot leaves the cockpit for Lav or when they need to take rests or when they have food brought in. As soon as the captain calls the F/A especially for lav visits the F/A blocks the galley with the cart and waits there facing the Bizelite cabin when the pilots open the door etc. Obviously the other entry to the galley is not protected during this time but since the FA is facing the rather small Bizelelite cabin she could see if anything unusual happens.
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:40 am

Per company policy, we minimize the time that the cockpit door is opened. If one of us needs to exit the cockpit, we first coordinate with the flight attendant to make sure all customers are seated and that the rear lavatory is available. The pilot exits the cockpit, and then the flight attendant occupies the cockpit to ensure that two people are always in the flight deck (assuming no jumpseat rider). Upon re-entry, the pilot rings the cockpit and we verify the person at the door. Many times, we crack the door open so the F/A can pass drinks and food - that's important! However, she keeps her body in front of the door to prevent access to the flight deck.
 
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:19 am

I was on a UA 733 ORD to PHL 2 yrs ago. When we rotated the cockpit door opened fully. And was open till we got to a altitude where it could be shut. So much for the reinforced door!
 
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:57 pm

On my last flight on F9, LAX to DEN, I was seated in 1C. About halfway through the flight, one of the F/As took the service cart and parked it sideways across the aisle. Then, the cockpit door opened, and one of the pilots went to the forward lavatory. After he was done, he returned to the flight deck, the F/A served them some refreshments, the door was closed, and the cart returned to its normal position. During the whole time, except when the F/A was serving the pilots, she (a female F/A) watched the cabin from behind the service cart.

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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:51 pm

I've seen it happen all the time on most of my flights (although I don't have to go to the USA often).

The flight deck door is opened when they're serving drinks or if the captain needs a whazz, they don't block the door though. There's normally an F/A in the galley area around the flight deck, but it's certainly not blocked or anything.

On a couple of flights in NZ the flight deck door was never closed - once on a Saab 340 and once on a Beech 1900C - simply left open the entire flight! It's great to be able to see the crew at work during takeoff and landing, all from the comfort of your seat!

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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:17 pm

I have seen sometimes the cockpit door is open during take off and landing in some european airlines.

In the company I work for, there are cameras installed in the cockpit so you can see who is knocking to the door.

When F/A opens the doors for food it depends on the F/A but normally the cockpit is open for a couple of minutes...

If they go to the bathroom, sometimes looks the door or sometimes they just leave it open.
 
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RE: Door To Flight Deck Opened In Flight?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 6):
It's random. No one routing getting preferential treatment over others.

Sure believe that if you wish.
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