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Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:07 pm

As reported in the The Bangkok Post, 31 July, Geert Boven, the carrier's acting chief executive reports that during 2007, Etihad plans to add 10 new destinations. Mentioned in the article are Hong Kong, Los Angeles, Singapore and Sydney.

The other 6 planned destinations are not mentioned in this article.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:14 pm

Any chance of AKL? Hope so!
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:19 pm

Don't they already fly to SIN?
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:22 pm

I would bet they are going to try and hit up the locations where EK has been going. EK stated that they wanted to be first to many locations before their competition. That is why they increased KIX and added NGO. It puts them in a strategic position for Japan access. NGO and KIX are out there trying to entice airlines to come in while NRT is restricted. Helps make a name for themselves in Japan till 2008/9 when NRT will have some new slots open.

My bet on the 10: HKG, LAX, SIN, SYD, MEL, PEK, AKL, ORD, GRU and NGO (I have to...its mine).

EDIT: Their website says that KIX and PVG are two future routes. What is the word on these?

[Edited 2006-07-31 06:25:02]
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:44 pm

EY doesn't fly to SIN. Only fly to BKK and JKT in the SEA region. But with SQ already flying AUH-JED probably that prompt them to start AUH-SIN.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:53 pm

Any one have any thoughts on what aircraft will be on these routes?

As of 2007, their long haul fleet will be pretty small actually.

5 777-300ERs, 4 A340-500s, and 4 A340-600s. (with the 4 A380s coming at the end of 2007???). They will also be taking 7 more A330-200s from Airbus. These will likely replace the short haul routes the 777-300ERs fly, enabling them to go full long haul.

So, my 2 cents (according to the following):

Quoting Centrair (Reply 3):
My bet on the 10: HKG, LAX, SIN, SYD, MEL, PEK, AKL, ORD, GRU and NGO (I have to...its mine).

EDIT: Their website says that KIX and PVG are two future routes. What is the word on these?

LAX, ORD A340-500.
MEL, AKL A340-600.
HKG, SYD, BKK, JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).
PEK, KIX, PVG A330-200
As you can see, this clearly is not enough aircraft for all that.

An order is coming?

EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes. This makes the fleet situation even worse. They have got to order more aircraft.

[Edited 2006-07-31 07:01:19]
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:11 pm

Will SYD and potentially MEL be on a non-stop basis from AUH, or via an Asian intermediate point.

SIN-SYD is pretty saturated, as is BKK-SYD.

with the OS suspension of services AUH-KUL-SYD makes more sense.

For MEL, KUL also makes an interesting intermediate point, although SIN and BKK could take a little more capacity...
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:43 pm

They've also stated that they'd like to grow further in India.

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1827039.cms

Quote:
"Etihad plans to have seven flights daily from Delhi and 14 between Mumbai and UAE. We also intend to have regular daily flights from Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram," he said.

While special holiday packages called "Etihad Holidays" are already on offer, the airline, with a lavish business-cum-first class comfort, will launch its internet booking from August along with a frequent flier programme.

"Our frequent flier programme would be unique as the passengers would not lose any air-miles. They would be able to buy something with miles earned," he said.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:46 pm

oooh.... I'll be waiting for them in Hong Kong!
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:08 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).

Starting October 26th, A340-500.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:30 pm

While it would be great to see EY in AKL would they really fly here just because EK do? It would be an extension of an Aussie flight I guess.

GF said that they wouldn't consider AKL, though that was a while ago and doesn't mean anything now.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
LAX, ORD A340-500.
MEL, AKL A340-600.
HKG, SYD, BKK, JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).
PEK, KIX, PVG A330-200
As you can see, this clearly is not enough aircraft for all that.

An order is coming?

EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes. This makes the fleet situation even worse. They have got to order more aircraft.

That certainly creates a problem.

When EK started KIX they did 5x week and then when they go the AC increased to daily. NGO is 5x week with a 772 and is going to an A345 in September. (First of that type at NGO) Maybe Etihad has to do the same type of thing. Limited frequency to secure slots and then when new aircraft come online they increase.

But these are routes for 2007. The A380s start coming then. They could have two take over LHR and Mumbai or JFK, allowing for the planes on those routes to be moved to new routes. But it does sound like Etihad needs a few more 773/A345 sized or smalller planes.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:32 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 7):
hey've also stated that they'd like to grow further in India.

From: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1827039.cms

Quote:
"Etihad plans to have seven flights daily from Delhi and 14 between Mumbai and UAE. We also intend to have regular daily flights from Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram," he said.

Seven daily flights? Woah, look out EK!

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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 6):
with the OS suspension of services AUH-KUL-SYD makes more sense.

   only one airline will serve this route once OS is gone. Is there a possibility of them flying via Jarkata??

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 10):
While it would be great to see EY in AKL would they really fly here just because EK do? It would be an extension of an Aussie flight I guess.

Same here. There B773ER economy product looks just as good as EK if not better. AUH-MEL-AKL sound better than AUH-SYD-AKL if they do plan to fly to AKL from Australia

[Edited 2006-07-31 09:43:51]

[Edited 2006-07-31 09:44:23]
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 12):

Seven daily flights? Woah, look out EK!

Most likely a typo. Should say weekly.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes

You are correct on the JNB route as 77W equipment, but the YYZ is still an A332, with the intermediate stop throu BRU...

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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Most likely a typo. Should say weekly.

Absolutely. 7 dailies would not make sense from DEL. Just goes to show the accuracy of India's mainline media reporting!
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Thread starter):
As reported in the The Bangkok Post, 31 July, Geert Boven, the carrier's acting chief executive reports that during 2007, Etihad plans to add 10 new destinations. Mentioned in the article are Hong Kong, Los Angeles, Singapore and Sydney.

The other 6 planned destinations are not mentioned in this article.

That's great news and a potential challenger to SQ on the SIN - Abu Dhabi route.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:41 pm

Besides the A380s do they still have aircraft to be delivered?
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:42 pm

if there were to come down here to AKL, won't be long for Qatar then to arrive on the set, its the new middle east -not middle earth hehehe
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:38 pm

Anyone know if Etihad is actually making any money?
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:44 pm

Will be flying with them in November and February routing LHR-AUH-BKK-AUH-LGW - and will get 1x 345 and 3x 773. Can't wait.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:03 am

They should convert some A330 orders to the -300. Why havent they (and EK) ordered it ? It covers all of Europe, Africa and big parts of Asia with full payload !
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 18):
Besides the A380s do they still have aircraft to be delivered?

Yes. They are still to receive 2 more A340-500's this year (A6-EHC/D). Also, 7 more A330-200 by the end of next year, and 4 A340-600HGW next year.

No supplemental orders have been placed, despite the strong rumours of a FI2006 announcement which never happened...

As the new EY spec A332's are being delivered, there are the 3 leased TAM A332's, and the 2 leased ex-Volare A332's which need to hit the highway out of here... The TAM ones will be gone within the next few days/weeks.

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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 4):
EY doesn't fly to SIN. Only fly to BKK and JKT in the SEA region

Don't forget EY have been serving MNL since Februaury....

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
HKG, SYD, BKK, JFK 777-300ER. (JFK was rumored a while ago).

I think it is more likely that the A340-600 would be used to JFK if the A340-500s are deployed on longer routes....

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 5):
EDIT: I just realised the 777-300ERs are already being used on Toronto and Johannesburg routes.

They have never been deployed to YYZ. It has always been the A332 via BRU...
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
Anyone know if Etihad is actually making any money?

to YYZ they arent but they are in LHE, BOM, DAC, CMB, MNL and BKK.

Even in peak season most of their LGW/LHR-AUH flights had plenty of seats avbl.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 24):
I think it is more likely that the A340-600 would be used to JFK if the A340-500s are deployed on longer routes....

JFK is already scheduled for A340-500 service starting on October 26th.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:23 am

WEll I can't wait to see EY in HK soon.

Now I wonder if EY will follow QR's move to do a nonstop HKG to Abu Dhabi, or a more conservative approach like going via BKK or SIN in the beginning, or use the HKG flight to continue onto Korea and Japan.

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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting Carfield (Reply 27):
or a more conservative approach

Conservative approach in Middle East airline development? I think that's an oxymoron Silly.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 25):
to YYZ they arent but they are in LHE, BOM, DAC, CMB, MNL and BKK

But the airline as a whole? I get the impression that it is one of several ego trips in the region.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:26 am

So far as aAustralia is concerned then the more connection the better. i am always struggling to get good fares for my customers....BA/QF now mean changing to most cities so you might as well go via the Gulf anf have a break and save pennies.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:37 am

EY will definitely fly NONSTOP to HKG from AUH...highly unlikely that the flight will continue on to ICN or Japan etc.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:58 am

I seem to remember Etihad had already expressed plans to serve Kuala Lumpur once they had enough aircraft to support the route so I guess KUL is likely to be high on that list. Malaysia remains ever popular with tourists and business from the Middle East and Emirates has already announced increased flights to Kuala Lumpur in response to this demand.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting Carfield (Reply 27):
Now I wonder if EY will follow QR's move to do a nonstop HKG to Abu Dhabi, or a more conservative approach like going via BKK or SIN in the beginning, or use the HKG flight to continue onto Korea and Japan.

Good question, exsiting Gulf operating daily AUH-BKK-HKG-BKK-AUH by A340-300. I believe B777 will be operating non-stop service to HKG.

AnyWay "Welcome to Hong Kong"

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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:31 pm

EY are only left with only four (4) frequencies in total to serve Australia. Under the existing UAE-Australia Bi'lateral, EK are already utilising 49 out of 53 frequencies a week. The remaining four is for EY.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting SriLankan (Reply 33):
EY are only left with only four (4) frequencies in total to serve Australia. Under the existing UAE-Australia Bi'lateral, EK are already utilising 49 out of 53 frequencies a week. The remaining four is for EY.

Australia - UAE talks are sceduled for the last quarter of 2006.
as for the rights, Dubai actually has a seperate MoU for their services to Australia, and the Abu Dhabi rights are quite seperate.

GF hasd the rights for the 4pw when abu dhabi still had a shareholding, but now the agreement stands at
7pw - bahrain
4pw - abu dhabi
49pw - dubai.

my guess is that the australian's will try to stall any progress in air services negotiations by suggesting that the whole UAE bilateral needs to be reviewed to include dubai and abu dhabi.

scenario 1
as a good will gesture, australia will offer an extra 3 freq pw to abu dhabi, so EY can commence with dailies (pity they didn't do the same with QR!)

scenario 2
will do above, and will not offer anything to EK until a policy review of middle east carriers has been carried out ie stalling tactic until QF receives A380

scenario 3
scenario 1, plus EK offered 7pw to allow double daily to BNE.

scenario 4.
scanerio 1 and 3, as well as a phased increase for triple dailies, commencing with MEL (original port served in australia), followed by 7pw each year after that until 2014, which would then take them close to the 88 frequencies pw that has been mentioned.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting N503JB (Reply 32):
Good question, exsiting Gulf operating daily AUH-BKK-HKG-BKK-AUH

wrong...GF flies daily BAH-BKK-HKG with an A 343...they stopped flying this route from AUH many months ago.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):

But the airline as a whole? I get the impression that it is one of several ego trips in the region.

yes on the whole, the airline makes a huge loss which is not disclosed due to prestige reasons. Their main focus is not profitability for the airline but for the economy of Abu Dhabi to become as vibrant and diverse as Dubai has become due to Emirates's superb worldwide marketing/promotions of the city. The same thing applies to Qatar Airways.

Etihad has an obsession with Emirates i.e. whatever EK does, we must match or outdo...this is sadly their business philosophy!

JFK is confirmed to start with the A 345...they should have gone ahead with their original plan of EWR rather than JFK as from OCT, they would have to compete with triple daily EK flights + 6 weekly KU + 5 weekly RJ + daily TK + and soon a daily QR flight...where as from EWR, they could have gotten a niche market and had no Arab competitor from there.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 24):
They have never been deployed to YYZ. It has always been the A332 via BRU...

Hi !!

Here in BRU it is widely rumoured that EY would drop AUH-BRU-YYZ service in order to fly the 77W on a direct AUH-YYZ. EY would still serve BRU with an A332 service AUH-BRU-AUH, provided that they are happy with the traffic/yields on that specific BRU route (which is the case AFAIK).

What do you think of this ?

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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:44 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 26):
JFK is already scheduled for A340-500 service starting on October 26th.

Yes - I realise this, but Kaitak744 was talking about if the A345 was to eventually be deployed on other, longer routes.
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:13 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 37):
Yes - I realise this, but Kaitak744 was talking about if the A345 was to eventually be deployed on other, longer routes.

perhaps SYD will be non-stop... with EY focusiing on europe and middle east traffic to australia only, without having to bother with an intermediate point.... although, as pointed out earlier, with the suspension of OS services in march 07, services via KUL may be an option...
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 38):
perhaps SYD will be non-stop... with EY focusiing on europe and middle east traffic to australia only, without having to bother with an intermediate point.... although, as pointed out earlier, with the suspension of OS services in march 07, services via KUL may be an option...

Yeah i agree. BKK-MEL is another possibility
 
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 35):
Etihad has an obsession with Emirates i.e. whatever EK does, we must match or outdo...this is sadly their business philosophy!

That's what I kinda figured....I assume QR is the same more or less and GF is probably the only airline in the region with its head squarely on its shoulders.
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RE: Etihad Planning HKG, LAX, SIN And SYD 2007

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 35):
they stopped flying this route from AUH many months ago

They (thankfully) stopped flying all routes apart from Muscat and Bahrain a couple months ago.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 35):
yes on the whole, the airline makes a huge loss which is not disclosed due to prestige reasons

I was just wondering if it's not disclosed, then how do you know they make a huge loss? Just wondering, as I haven't heard that yet...
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