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Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:19 am

Does anybody know:

a) On what routes does BA, AF, KLM and AZ fly their 777-200ERs?

and

b) If some of those routes could be flown using a B777-200A (non-ER) with GE-90-90B engines and 545,000 lbs MTOW, 250 seat configuration?

I would really appreciate anybody's feedback on this topic. Thanks.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:39 am

First, WELCOME TO A.NET

Quoting B777flier (Thread starter):
On what routes does BA, AF, KLM and AZ fly their 777-200ERs?

BA - LHR to JFK and EWR
KL - AMS to JFK
AF - CDG to JFK
AZ - FCO-JFK and EWR to MXP (i'm not very sure about that one)

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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:50 am

Currently

AF - CDG to:
ATL, BOM, DEL, DKR, DXB, EZE, GRU, IAD, IAH, JFK, LAX, MEX, NRT, PEK, PVG, SCL, YUL

KL - AMS to:
CAI, CPT, CTU, DAR, DXB, EWR, GRU, JFK, JRO, KIX, MNL, NBO, NRT

Edit to add DKR. Did I miss any more?

[Edited 2006-07-31 20:55:09]
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:13 am

And AZ

MXP to:
EZE, GRU, JFK, KIX, NRT

FCO to:
EWR, EZE, JFK, NRT
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:21 am

What kind of configuration do the three carriers have? I think I heard that high-density layout isn't great for long-haul because of payload issues.

The longest route I have seen is CDGSCL on AF, but AF's layout is low-density with only 264 seats.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:35 am

Alitalia

DEL(Sometimes)
DXB(Sometimes)
KIX
NRT
JFK
EWR
BOS(Rumoured)
MIA(Sometimes)
EZE
GRU
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:43 am

BA

LHR:
BOM,DEL,BLR,MAA & CCU
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:48 am

KL will be flying their 772Er's to ORD sometime next year, as well.

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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 2):
KL - AMS to:
CAI, CPT, CTU, DAR, DXB, EWR, GRU, JFK, JRO, KIX, MNL, NBO, NRT

and ACC.

This week 2 AMS-BCN-AMS flights were also operated with the B777-200 to get all the stranded passengers (due to BCN strike) at their destination.

As from summer 2007 - ORD and LIM. CPT will go to B747.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting SK601 (Reply 8):
As from summer 2007 - ORD and LIM. CPT will go to B747

do you mean those destinations will go from a 747 to a 777, ORD is currently operated with a 74E.
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
BA - LHR to JFK and EWR

BA will start operating the B772 on its LHR-SIN-SYD route from northern wibter 2006.

BA15/16 will change from B744, which I think is being redeployed to India.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:45 am

BA's 772's currently go from LON to:
ABV, ANU, ATL, AUH, BAH, BDA, BGI, BLR, BOM, BOS, CAI, CCU, DAC, DEL, DEN, DFW, DOH, DXB, EWR, GND, HRE, IAD, IAH, JFK, KIN, KWI, LAD, MAA, MCO, MCT, NBO, ORD, PEK, PHL, PVG, TAB, TLV, TPA, UVF, YUL, YYZ.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
BA will start operating the B772 on its LHR-SIN-SYD route from northern wibter 2006.

BA15/16 will change from B744, which I think is being redeployed to India.

That is correct. LHR-BOM & DEL will become 2 x daily 744.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 3):
And AZ

MXP to:
EZE, GRU, JFK, KIX, NRT

FCO to:
EWR, EZE, JFK, NRT

AZ also flies the 777 to MIA between October and May; to Newark June-September.

[Edited 2006-08-01 05:14:44]
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:41 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
First, WELCOME TO A.NET

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Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
BA - LHR to JFK and EWR

add ORD...

KL was flying 777's into SFO during the summer season, but have stuck with the MD-11 this summer... Sad


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I've seen AF send their 777's to SFO, but right now, they are bringing in their 747's...


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Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 9):
do you mean those destinations will go from a 747 to a 777, ORD is currently operated with a 74E.

Keep the KL-747's in Chicago.... Sad



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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
Keep the KL-747's in Chicago.... Sad

disagreed there. although it will be sad to see the 747's go, the 777's will be a great replacement. I personally cannot wait to see their 777's here...

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
Love the BA-777's

definitely
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:41 am

I am not sure if the AF 772ER's that come to MEX have a 3-class or 2-class configuration. Can anyone advise?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
I am not sure if the AF 772ER's that come to MEX have a 3-class or 2-class configuration. Can anyone advise?

All AF 777s have 3-class configs.
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 14):
disagreed there. although it will be sad to see the 747's go, the 777's will be a great replacement. I personally cannot wait to see their 777's here...

I love the KL-777's too..but ORD has enough 777's so a nice "old-school" 747E would be nice to stick around @ ORD.... Smile
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 16):
All AF 777s have 3-class configs.

Thanks Gus. I guess AF still has not considered joining the many carriers who believe that the future is a very premium business class instead of both first and business.

On a separate subject, AF should introduce economy plus (I know they already have Tempo Alizé in some leisure flights, but I am thinking in all long-haul flights, like BA and its WT+).

Gus, sent you an e-mail, hope you received it.
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 2):
AF - CDG to:
ATL, BOM, DEL, DKR, DXB, EZE, GRU, IAD, IAH, JFK, LAX, MEX, NRT, PEK, PVG, SCL, YUL

+ ABJ, LBV, CAI

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
I am not sure if the AF 772ER's that come to MEX have a 3-class or 2-class configuration. Can anyone advise?

B773ER config : 8P / 67J / 235Y or 14J / 36S / 422M


B772ER old config : 12P / 56J / 202Y, progressively replaced by the new config : 4P / 49J / 211Y
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):

I love the KL-777's too..but ORD has enough 777's so a nice "old-school" 747E would be nice to stick around @ ORD....

I can understand that...but not sure exactly how long they will last at ORD.
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting B777flier (Thread starter):
b) If some of those routes could be flown using a B777-200A (non-ER) with GE-90-90B engines and 545,000 lbs MTOW, 250 seat configuration?

I've no idea of the top of my ahead about their configurations, but BA does fly it's (GE90) 772A's across the atlantic to the east coast - is BA, as a launch customer, the only european airline with A model 777s?
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 21):
is BA, as a launch customer, the only european airline with A model 777s?

I'm pretty sure they are...can anyone else specify?

where on the east coast does BA send their A 777's?
...never seen a 77A in the US
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Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 21):
I've no idea of the top of my ahead about their configurations, but BA does fly it's (GE90) 772A's across the atlantic to the east coast - is BA, as a launch customer, the only european airline with A model 777s?

BA took delivery of five 772As but subsequently returned two to Boeing. The three remaining aircraft (G-ZZZA, 'B and 'C - note that shape wise 'ZZZ' is as close to '777' as you can get) are used primarily on Middle East routes. Their cabins are configured for 214 passengers (F17 / J46 / W24 / M127).

All three may well have crossed the North Atlantic but, if they have, not very often since their delivery flights.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:20 am

BA takes a 772 from LGW to BDA daily
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 23):
All three may well have crossed the North Atlantic but, if they have, not very often since their delivery flights.

I've now searched the photo data base and was quite surprised to find as many as 5 photos of G-ZZZC and three each of G-ZZZA and G-ZZZB taken on the East Coast at BWI, EWR, IAD, JFK and PHL. So it looks as if they visit the USA more often than I initially thought.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 23):

BA took delivery of five 772As but subsequently returned two to Boeing.

Why was this? And where are those aircraft now?

Also, does anyone know the routes where BA uses GE 777s and where BA uses RR 777s?
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
AZ also flies the 777 to MIA between October and May; to Newark June-September.

True. When the winter schedules come into effect and then again at ramdom other times, there's going to be plenty of changes to the lists of cities served by 772s.

Eg:
AF: ABJ goes 332, BOM goes 77W, DEL goes 744, GRU goes 77W & 744, PEK goes 77W & 332
AZ: DEL, supposedly, gets the 772, FCO-EWR goes 767
BA: BOM & DEL both go all-744 while one of the SIN-SYD become 772.
KL: ACC goes M11, DAR-JRO goes M11, DEL goes 772, YYZ goes 772. And NW takes over AMS-EWR, I think, so 772 service ends there.

That's why I said "currently" in all my posts. You never know with these airlines!  Smile
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 20):

I can understand that...but not sure exactly how long they will last at ORD.

probably not long enough.. Sad
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
probably not long enough..

lol...but look on the bright side...it's not like you're going to lose the airline as a whole...just the aircraft, and hey, you get to spot 'crafts that have never graced ORD's ground before..all in all, could be worse (from your standpoint, personally, I can't wait for the 772)...lol

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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 27):
GRU goes 77W & 744

GRU will see a DAILY B773ER + 5 x Weekly A332 next winter. No B744.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:42 am

I think AF also uses their T7s to LOS as well and I've seen Alitalia's 777s at YYZ but I'm not sure if it was the MXP or the FCO flight.
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 29):

lol...but look on the bright side...it's not like you're going to lose the airline as a whole...just the aircraft, and hey, you get to spot 'crafts that have never graced ORD's ground before..all in all, could be worse (from your standpoint, personally, I can't wait for the 772)...lol

as I said, it would be nice if they bring in various fleets given the day of the week.. biggrin ..

lets see.

Monday-744
Tuesday-767
Wednesday-777
Thursday-A330
Friday-747E
Saturday-MD-11
Sunday-777 actually, we can do with the 777 2x/weekly... biggrin 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting LouA340 (Reply 31):
I think AF also uses their T7s to LOS

 no 
LOS is Daily served with an A332.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):

as I said, it would be nice if they bring in various fleets given the day of the week..

now that would be awesome
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:42 am

It would be awesome for the pilots having to wait a week to rotate out. Unless they managed double daily service.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:43 am

You all forgot another service on which the BA777 is used sometimes

LGW-MAN
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting Trekster (Reply 36):
You all forgot another service on which the BA777 is used sometimes

LGW-MAN

really? wow, I never knew BA used their 772's on domestic routes

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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:01 am

They do. On the odd occasion a 737 is not avail they put a 777 on it. 3 or 4 times now. Sam has been on it once, and me and a mate were booked on it but had to canx
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:14 am

For the people that are addicted to some of the KLM planes, don't worry, KLM switches more planes than the amount of different men a whore has.

Without kidding , the best examply is YVR , it received the 767, 777, MD-11, 747, A330 in just a couple of months...
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:28 pm

does anyone know if BA plans on using their 777s to ORD and completely terminate the 744 from the route, or will they continue to switch between the two, or will it be an 747 route?
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 40):
does anyone know if BA plans on using their 777s to ORD and completely terminate the 744 from the route, or will they continue to switch between the two, or will it be an 747 route?

It's going to go from the 2x-777's and 1x-747 to 2x-777 and 1x-767 (instead of hte 3x-777's that we are used to seeing)...however, during the summer, according to BA's schedule, the 767 will go back to the 747..

Hope that helps... Smile
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 23):
All three may well have crossed the North Atlantic but, if they have, not very often since their delivery flights.

These aircraft regularly serve YYZ and other East-coast cities. They're also often used to the middle-east. I flew on -ZZC just a few weeks ago from YYZ-LHR.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 7):
KL will be flying their 772Er's to ORD sometime next year, as well.



Quoting SK601 (Reply 8):
As from summer 2007 - ORD and LIM



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
I love the KL-777's too..but ORD has enough 777's so a nice "old-school" 747E would be nice to stick around @ ORD....

Latest news suggests that KL611/612 AMS ORD will remain operated by a B74E next summer. The CRS, which until last week indicated a B772ER on the route, already indicates the change back to B74E.

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 39):
For the people that are addicted to some of the KLM planes, don't worry, KLM switches more planes than the amount of different men a whore has.

Without kidding , the best examply is YVR , it received the 767, 777, MD-11, 747, A330 in just a couple of months...

KL681/682 AMS YVR was operated by B763ER until the end of the previous winter schedule, and has since then been upgraded to a MD11 as more B763s have left the KLM fleet. KLM hasn't used the B747 or the B772 to YVR this year, and the shift from MD11 to A332 will only take place on September 04.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 43):
Latest news suggests that KL611/612 AMS ORD will remain operated by a B74E next summer. The CRS, which until last week indicated a B772ER on the route, already indicates the change back to B74E.

thanks for the updated information. checkmark 

intersting... scratchchin ...

maybe they are shuffling the schedules until they can get some sort of fix on what the variables are....
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 43):

Latest news suggests that KL611/612 AMS ORD will remain operated by a B74E next summer. The CRS, which until last week indicated a B772ER on the route, already indicates the change back to B74E.

well, we've still got a while yet, maybe they'll change their minds again-hopefully

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 41):

It's going to go from the 2x-777's and 1x-747 to 2x-777 and 1x-767 (instead of hte 3x-777's that we are used to seeing)...however, during the summer, according to BA's schedule, the 767 will go back to the 747..

perfect answer, thanks

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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting B777flier (Thread starter):
If some of those routes could be flown using a B777-200A (non-ER) with GE-90-90B engines and 545,000 lbs MTOW, 250 seat configuration?

I thought the 772A at BA have the GE90-75? CO operates -200ERs with GE90-90Bs, but those could theoretically be uprated to -94Bs.

One route that was left out is CDG-BEY. It used to be operated by AF with a 77W, at least until the current crisis started. It was a short route for a 77W, but it served lots of connecting traffic to the US, and probably O&D traffic to BEY.
 
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 43):
KL681/682 AMS YVR was operated by B763ER until the end of the previous winter schedule, and has since then been upgraded to a MD11 as more B763s have left the KLM fleet. KLM hasn't used the B747 or the B772 to YVR this year, and the shift from MD11 to A332 will only take place on September 04.

The B767 has been used for winter services and the MD11 has been used for summer services. This has been this way for the last several years. Having said that, YVR will be getting the A330 later this year (as you pointed out), and B747's have/and are still used as equipment changes for various reasons. If one has been there this year or not, I can't confirm, but it is not rare to see them there.
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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 45):
perfect answer, thanks

anytime... Smile

I've flown ORD-LHR on BA's 777 WTP+...great service at a very good price...however I fly on AA now.....just flew AA ORD-LHR-LAX on their 777's (actually I use AA exclusively for my flights)..what a beauty!  biggrin 

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RE: Routes Flown With B772s By European Carriers

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 48):

BA does have a very low rate from ORD-LHR. I bet their t7's are very nice, dunno if they could beat out AA's tho...

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 43):

Latest news suggests that KL611/612 AMS ORD will remain operated by a B74E next summer. The CRS, which until last week indicated a B772ER on the route, already indicates the change back to B74E.

jacobin777, looks like you got your wish there! I've checked on KL's website, and it does indeed say it's a 74E operating the route

-Ryan
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