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STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:04 am

Just saw this news within my company e-mail system. Trans States to move to gates C-25 and C-27 as of tomorrow, August 1st.

I'll get more details tomorrow.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:24 am

I'm out here for business and they were moving gate seating to those gates. Basically taking the better of the seating sets from C-26 to and moving them around the people movers to C-25,27.

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:58 am

What does that mean for the brewhouse bar in B? That's the best one in the place, IMO.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:10 am

Corporate will still operate out of B concourse. (they fly the Jetstream 32's) Everything from Trans States goes to C. Thank God, they have been a pain in the a$$ to us in operations for the longest time.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:22 am

I am flying out of STL tomorrow, will have to swing by and check it out.

As for Corporate it is now RegionsAir  Wink

It is good to see them moving around and using more gates.

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:08 am

Isn't Corporate planning to move to the C Concourse as well sometime this year? (I thought I had heard by October). I thought the plan was to have all AA and AA Connection/Eagle flights operate out of the C Concourse. When I was there earlier this month it looked like some remodeling work was just starting down at the end. Also, any rumors on if more stores or restaurants will be added to the far end of C now that more flights will be there? I would love to see a McDonalds down there, it would be much better than the crappy Burger King they have at the food court  Smile

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 5):

We knew Trans States was moving, but we had heard that was going to happen in October, so this was a surprise for us. I have heard nothing about Regions status on "B", but have heard nothing of if/when they will move.

Self speculation here, but I think the move was "moved up" to make renovations for someone else to move into "B" because there was a lot of activity within the gate areas that were vacated. Again, pure speculation on my part.

Slowly but surely, renovations are continuing on the "C" concourse. I personally wouldn't look to see any McDonald's here in STL. I think Burger King has an "exclusivity" agreement with HMS Host here.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 6):
Self speculation here, but I think the move was "moved up" to make renovations for someone else to move into "B" because there was a lot of activity within the gate areas that were vacated. Again, pure speculation on my part.

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 7):

JetBlue always comes up, but whoever it is, if anyone, I'll believe it when the aircraft is at the gate. Not until then.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:18 am

Now that I think about it, it could be as simple as relocating one of the "A" concourse people that have been inconvenienced by the construction that is going on at the end of "A".

Time will tell.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 6):
Self speculation here, but I think the move was "moved up" to make renovations for someone else to move into "B" because there was a lot of activity within the gate areas that were vacated. Again, pure speculation on my part.

So where exactly are the renovations taking place on "B"

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h301/Bloozramz/1ed2a13b.jpg

Any jetways being installed?
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:27 am

Nothing like that. Some of the gate podiums were being removed and some detail work on the flight info displays at the end.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:08 am

Minor cosmetic work, I think you may be right about someone from "A" moving over that way. When I was thru STL back in June, it looked like the south and west areas of the concourse were seeing some work being done...
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:25 am

I just wish they'd do something with the end of concourse C. That looks awful, end of story.
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:35 am

Well, something must be in the works because I noticed earlier today that the jet ways at C-2 and C-8 are brand new.  scratchchin 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 13):
just wish they'd do something with the end of concourse C. That looks awful, end of story.

very true, especially when the beginning of C looks rather nice with the new stores, restaurants and carpeting

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 6):
I personally wouldn't look to see any McDonald's here in STL. I think Burger King has an "exclusivity" agreement with HMS Host here.

Bummer! I'd even settle for a full service BK, the one at the food court has a limited menu and not the best of service


Anyone know if the new gate monitors for AA are in service yet?
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 15):
Bummer! I'd even settle for a full service BK, the one at the food court has a limited menu and not the best of service

The one on the upper level west end of the lobby is much more full service that the one at the food court. Reverse side of the coin there is it is outside of security. (bummer)

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 15):
Anyone know if the new gate monitors for AA are in service yet?

I don't know of, and have not observed any gate monitors working as of yet. A few "general" monitors are, and have been working for a few weeks now.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 5):
Isn't Corporate planning to move to the C Concourse as well sometime this year?

Two gates in C are currently configured for turboprops. Walked through today, saw the COU flight out of C was delayed, the other gate was not being used. Four flights were scheduled late this afternoon out of B. The end of C is coned off to people.

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:23 pm

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 14):
Well, something must be in the works because I noticed earlier today that the jet ways at C-2 and C-8 are brand new.

All right Boeing, now is not the time to start getting all cryptic on us. What possibly could new jetways on C-2 and C-8 possibly have to do with potential goings on in "B"?  pessimist 
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 18):
What possibly could new jetways on C-2 and C-8 possibly have to do with potential goings on in "B"?

I have no idea. Seeing the new ones was a bit of a shocker.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:25 pm

I would have to agree about the jetways, as most of those on C are still using the old 70's era fixed type. Do these new ones look like they are more accomodating for the ERJ's?
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 20):
Do these new ones look like they are more accomodating for the ERJ's?

IMO, they are a carbon copy of the ones on the south side servicing the ERJ's.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:23 pm

I saw that they are reconfiguring the security check point at the A Concourse. They had a sign post by the security check point saying "coming soon" with a picture of what it is going to look like. To me it looks like they are going to have security lines for each airline. Maybe Boeing Nut could tell us more... Also, I was just in the A concourse and they really need to spruce that place up (not that I'm saying anything new) and the new plasma screens are still not in operation. I thought they were going to have those on by now. Also, I saw today the stairs they had leading to the planes from gates C25 and C27. Are they going to put in new jetways so they don't have to use the stairs to get to the planes?
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 22):
I saw that they are reconfiguring the security check point at the A Concourse. They had a sign post by the security check point saying "coming soon" with a picture of what it is going to look like. To me it looks like they are going to have security lines for each airline. Maybe Boeing Nut could tell us more... Also, I was just in the A concourse and they really need to spruce that place up (not that I'm saying anything new) and the new plasma screens are still not in operation.

They must have posted this picture after I was thru there in early June, either that or I just did not notice it. But regardless I don't know how they will reconfigure that narrow area, it is an absolute mess.

I did notice quite a bit of minor remodeling going on in A, did not notice any plasma screens.

Maybe once some of this A to B gate shifting occurs, Dolliole and Co. can finally get A up to snuff. It is an embarrassment...
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:18 pm

The A checkpoint is being totally redone. The Accounting department was behind the walls to your right as you go down the hall towards the checkpoint. Accounting has been relocated to a different area in the terminal. Eventually, the walls will come down and the checkpoint widened. As far as anyone going from A to B, I have no idea. That was just pure speculation on my part.

As far as the plasma screens go, I have no clue why they are not operating. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me because they have been up for months now.

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 22):
Are they going to put in new jetways so they don't have to use the stairs to get to the planes?

Not that I know of. That was/is Trans States way of doing things when they were on B, I see no reason why they will change their ways. At least as long as they still have their Jetstream 41s.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 24):
The A checkpoint is being totally redone. The Accounting department was behind the walls to your right as you go down the hall towards the checkpoint. Accounting has been relocated to a different area in the terminal. Eventually, the walls will come down and the checkpoint widened.

That all certainly makes sense, it should alleviate the bottleneck created by departing passengers and having secondary screening in that narrow neck between the concourse and the terminal. As far back as I can remember, A has always been the bastard child of Lambert concourses. Hopefully in time Kevin will be able to fix this issue...

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 9):
Now that I think about it, it could be as simple as relocating one of the "A" concourse people that have been inconvenienced by the construction that is going on at the end of "A".

I wanted to ask you about that. I saw a bunch of construction trucks and they were ripping up the concrete at the end of the A concourse. What is that all about? Also I saw that Southwest that took gates E2 and E4 out, have added back gate E4. What's that all about? Its nice to see all this activity at Lambert to spruce up the terminals, something the Griggs never even thought of doing.

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 26):
I saw a bunch of construction trucks and they were ripping up the concrete at the end of the A concourse. What is that all about?

Concrete was deteriorating and needed replacing.

Quoting Stl1326 (Reply 26):
Also I saw that Southwest that took gates E2 and E4 out, have added back gate E4. What's that all about?

When they removed E2 and E4, they took those jetways to PIT I think. They put E4 back from E22 and E24. I don't know what they did with the last one. They do what they want with those gates since Southest owns them.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 23):
Maybe once some of this A to B gate shifting occurs, Dolliole and Co. can finally get A up to snuff. It is an embarrassment...

Absolutely, talk about an embarassment to the state of Missouri.

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 13):
I just wish they'd do something with the end of concourse C. That looks awful, end of story.

Looks the same as it did the last TWA flight out. I have found it a relaxing place to read a book, but otherwise, they need to clean it up. I wish the old Brewing house was still open back there. Those were the days.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting MoMan (Reply 28):
Quoting LambertMan (Reply 13):
I just wish they'd do something with the end of concourse C. That looks awful, end of story.

Looks the same as it did the last TWA flight out. I have found it a relaxing place to read a book, but otherwise, they need to clean it up. I wish the old Brewing house was still open back there. Those were the days.

Well, you won't be able to enjoy the end gates for a while. They have been blocked off at C32/C33 area.

The end gates are indeed under going renovations for a Customs relocation project. Basically, the old cooridor is going back in. No clue as to why though. Also strong possibility that elevators and escalators will be installed in the area soon for Trans States.
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 29):
Well, you won't be able to enjoy the end gates for a while. They have been blocked off at C32/C33 area.

The end gates are indeed under going renovations for a Customs relocation project. Basically, the old cooridor is going back in. No clue as to why though. Also strong possibility that elevators and escalators will be installed in the area soon for Trans States.

Are you suggesting that international gates will be put back in? If so, for who and why?
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 25):
That all certainly makes sense, it should alleviate the bottleneck created by departing passengers and having secondary screening in that narrow neck between the concourse and the terminal. As far back as I can remember, A has always been the bastard child of Lambert concourses. Hopefully in time Kevin will be able to fix this issue...

The bastard child concourse with the bastard child gate, A16. Poor America West (US). That gate is absolutely brutal. There is one nearly black and white tv with some torn up and digusting seats. The lights, the plants, the paint, its all good but we need something on a larger scale to make the airport representable. Just by reading this thread I've realized that by the time all these issues can be rectified, a whole nother group of problems will pop up. Hopefully we can find the money somewhere................. Sad

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 29):
The end gates are indeed under going renovations for a Customs relocation project. Basically, the old cooridor is going back in. No clue as to why though. Also strong possibility that elevators and escalators will be installed in the area soon for Trans States.

By corridor I assume you mean facility? Maybe it's in hopes of attracting the likes of MX or some sort of seasonal flight to LGW on AA, which I do believe you mentioned was a very outside possibility mr. nut.
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 31):
By corridor I assume you mean facility?

From what I hear, the facility itself is undergoing renovations, which includes the sterile cooridor being reinstalled. Although I believe this is temporary as the walls to the cooridor are just studs and drywall.

I encountered an unusual smell while walking towards the end of C today..... fresh paint! Slowly but surely, it seems the end of C is coming back to life.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 29):
The end gates are indeed under going renovations for a Customs relocation project. Basically, the old cooridor is going back in. No clue as to why though. Also strong possibility that elevators and escalators will be installed in the area soon for Trans States.

Interesting....They must have some good reason to be doing this.
 
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Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 32):
From what I hear, the facility itself is undergoing renovations, which includes the sterile cooridor being reinstalled. Although I believe this is temporary as the walls to the cooridor are just studs and drywall.

I can't see why this is happening, unless something is in the works with AA. As they pulled out that steril corridor ages ago, leaving one jet way at the end of c as international. Now they are putting it back in. Something is up with international service.   

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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 32):
I encountered an unusual smell while walking towards the end of C today..... fresh paint! Slowly but surely, it seems the end of C is coming back to life.

Glad to see they are finally doing something to spruce up that end. I am sure when more flights are brought back it it will bring it back to life. When I was there a month ago it looks like they were about to begin some remodeling as there was some scaffolding being placed there. I just couldn't get over the stark contrast from the beginning of C to where you walked to the other side of the moving sidewalk and how different it looked.
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 34):
I can't see why this is happening, unless something is in the works with AA. As they pulled out that steril corridor ages ago, leaving one jet way at the end of c as international. Now they are putting it back in. Something is up with international service

Although this is certainly a head scratcher with the glass partitions going back up I would not get my hopes up with AA restarting any international service, especially the trans-atlantic variety. With AA yanking 757's off of very profitable routes such as BOS-MAN, I can't see them adding back a marginal performer such as STL-LGW. AA seems to be sending their metal to the cities that are going to make the most money, which right now looks to be South America.

If anything I believe it would be more geared to possible Caribbean or Mexico winter ops, with possibly Mexicana starting the long rumored MEX-STL code-share..
 
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Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 36):
With AA yanking 757's off of very profitable routes such as BOS-MAN, I can't see them adding back a marginal performer such as STL-LGW. AA seems to be sending their metal to the cities that are going to make the most money, which right now looks to be South America.

Marginal overall, srong in the summer. Cargo loads were generally pretty bad, but full cabins in the summer sure can't hurt. The massive feed did have something to do with the cabins, so we'll see.

I'd like to think that redoing the customs in C is an instruction by AA, something along the lines of "locate the customs near the connections, then we can talk." Now of course that is a reach, and a bad one at that, but its just an idea of what could be going on. Why would they do it if there weren't any motivation?
 
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RE: STL News - Trans States To C Concourse - Tomorrow!

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 37):
I'd like to think that redoing the customs in C is an instruction by AA, something along the lines of "locate the customs near the connections, then we can talk." Now of course that is a reach, and a bad one at that, but its just an idea of what could be going on.

Customs has always been near the connections, and with the small amount of int'l ops that TW and later AA had at STL the Customs and Immigration seemed to be the right size, perfect location, with 4-5 gates that could be used for sterile operations. Never made sense to me why they were tearing it down in the first place.

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 37):
Why would they do it if there weren't any motivation?

Guess the only one who can answer that is Mr. D, and it looks like he aint talkin....
 
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Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 36):
Although this is certainly a head scratcher with the glass partitions going back up I would not get my hopes up with AA restarting any international service, especially the trans-atlantic variety. With AA yanking 757's off of very profitable routes such as BOS-MAN, I can't see them adding back a marginal performer such as STL-LGW. AA seems to be sending their metal to the cities that are going to make the most money, which right now looks to be South America

I understand that, however, there is still one international gate by the brewhouse that was left. Surely, that could support a couple of flights a day. Why put back all 5 international gates if not to increase opps. Let's see how this plays out.
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