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AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:33 pm

All of my AA pilot friends in DFW are talking of a rumor that will supposedly affect "all AA first officers" that will be announced sometime in September. The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I find it hard to believe that AA would ever buy Airbus but the rumor is that Boeing is refusing to deal on 737NG's and Airbus is offering a much sweeter deal.

The MD80 series must be replaced, and soon, for AA to be profitable. I understand that AA belives that all MD80-88 airframes must be phased out within 10 years.

p.s. I wish AA would upgrade their First Class product on 757's.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:36 pm

Why does this forum have such an obsession with AA and A320's?
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:38 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

The way you have phrased this is a bit ambiguous. Who would be accepting all the blame - AA or Airbus?

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
I find it hard to believe that AA would ever buy Airbus

Wounds heal. Time passes. AA would be incredibly stupid to announce or otherwise indicate that they'd NEVER buy Airbus again. They'd be guaranteeing high prices from Boeing.

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
the rumor is that Boeing is refusing to deal on 737NG's and Airbus is offering a much sweeter deal.

I could believe that.

Granted, an AA A320 deal has never looked likely but stranger things have happened. Who do we think would get the engine deal? AA are long-time RR customers but they are also cosy with GE...
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:42 pm

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 1):
Why does this forum have such an obsession with AA and A320's?

and JetBlue and US financial turnaround and AS,WN,BA,and NW bashing...the list goes on and on
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The MD80 series must be replaced, and soon, for AA to be profitable.

I'm not so sure that this is true. DL is turning itself around with a very large fleet of MD80s that aren't going anywhere.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
The way you have phrased this is a bit ambiguous. Who would be accepting all the blame - AA or Airbus?

Well, the RUMOR I heard, was that AA would admit that it was a) pilot error or b) a crew training deficiency. Either way, it is BS, you should be able to stomp on a rudder at a relatively slow airspeed without it failing.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York

The cause was wake turbulence encounter with the first officer giving excessive rudder to compensate, resulting in the fin bearing excessive lateral load and separating. Rudder design and American Airlines' Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program were contributing factors.

I find it hard to believe Airbus would ever take the blame in light of the investigation, opening the floodgate for litigation.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:55 pm

So what if AA actually accepts full responsability for the accident (nevermind how sweet the deal might be). What difference does it make in practice ?

It's not like Airbus would be able to wave a piece of paper with AA's admission of guilt to escape pending litigation or government action, is it ? Victim and government lawyers would still be able to go after Airbus if they wanted. They would have a harder time, true, but they could still make a case against Airbus (not saying they should here, just that they could).
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:01 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
but the rumor is that Boeing is refusing to deal on 737NG's

Given AA have 47 x 738s and 7 x 772ERs which have been deferred I find it hard to believe that Boeing would be refusing to deal on 737NGs with AA

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I'm just going to go ahead and call bullshit on this right now. This isn't happening.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):

There you go, spoiling our fun by applying logic to the situation! wink 

It would indeed seem odd that Boeing wouldn't do a deal with AA (one of their bluest of blue-chip customers).

Either way, AA does have a very large fleet of MD-80s. Whatever they select to replace them when they do, they will need a lot of them! yes 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:18 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
AA does have a very large fleet of MD-80s. Whatever they select to replace them when they do, they will need a lot of them!

So do we smell a split deal? More 737s plus A320s?
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Reply 5):
you should be able to stomp on a rudder at a relatively slow airspeed without it failing.

Not when you multiply that stomp by 5 in rapid succession.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:36 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
So do we smell a split deal? More 737s plus A320s?

I smell male bovine fecal matter.

Personally I think if AA wants A320s, they should buy JetBlue and get a real hub operation at JFK.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:45 pm

I take this rumor as some what bizare. While I would love to see another major B737 operator converting to the A320 and possibly the A320E, I just don't think that is realist to think that Boeing will allow AA to slip from their hands.

So I suggest that we all wake up and smell the coffee. It's not going to happen.  Yeah sure

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:47 pm

I could imagine Airbus saying: "Here ... we have the A320E flying from 2009. As soon as the A320NG is available you can switch the remaining of the order to until those 300 MD80's are replaced!"

Those A320E pilots will surely be able to fly the A320NG with a few hour update practice.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:56 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
All of my AA pilot friends in DFW

Who cares what your friends talk about, I don't think AA will ever buy Airbuses! Your friends can talk about anything but Mr. Gerard Arpey will be the one deciding, not your friends.  Wink

AA signed an exclusivity agreement with Boeing in the late 1990s, to be their main airplane provider. Now that AA is starting to make profits again and they'll probably start taking delivery of their deferred orders and even probably order more Boeings as they are expanding their international network. So just refresh your mind and know that AA won't order any Airbus planes anytime soon!

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:58 pm

I would bet my 25 cents that this one will go no where.

I seem to recall that AA gets the lowest selling price for any planes they buy from Boeing (under the gentleman's agreement) so I don't see Airbus being that attractive.

While the MD-80s are getting a bit old I also don't see AA making a large order to replace them until they see how Y1 is developing. Throw in the need to look at the 787 to replace some 767s (and 757s) over the medium to long term. Then add AA's financial situation going forward over the next few years.

I think AA will take the planes they have to under existing orders with Boeing, minimize new purchases until their financial position improves even more, and then address what planes to buy.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:01 pm

This is a huge pipedream hatched by Airbus cheerleaders.

The only a/c that AA will be flying before years end will be the 787.  bouncy 
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting Chiad (Reply 15):
Those A320E pilots will surely be able to fly the A320NG with a few hour update practice.

A few hours?? Heck, they'll probably just need to thumb through the manual. Maybe watch a video.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting American777 (Reply 16):
AA signed an exclusivity agreement with Boeing in the late 1990s

Which was almost as quickly cancelled - at least officially.

Quoting American777 (Reply 16):
I don't think AA will ever buy Airbuses!

Not ever? Not in 2012? Not in 2018? Not in 2035? Wow. Old grudges die slowly...

Quoting FXramper (Reply 18):
The only a/c that AA will be flying before years end will be the 787.

AA will be flying 787s "before year's end"? Before even Boeing?! Wow!
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 1):
Why does this forum have such an obsession with AA and A320's?

entirely my fault

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 19):
Quoting Chiad (Reply 15):
Those A320E pilots will surely be able to fly the A320NG with a few hour update practice.

A few hours?? Heck, they'll probably just need to thumb through the manual. Maybe watch a video.

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
in exchange for accepting all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I can't believe this could be part of any deal. Nobody wants to drag this up again. It would be 100% negative publicity and nothing good can come of it.

Rather I would imagine that IF such a deal were to take palace, AA and Airbus would agree sweep the issue of responsibility under the rug like a dirty family secret.

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for accepting all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

If this is true, wouldn't this be bribery?
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Flying_727 (Reply 23):
If this is true, wouldn't this be bribery?

No. Bribery would be Airbus paying someone in AA to influence a decision to buy A320s. AA accepting responsibility in return for a good price on A320s might be ethically dubious, but I doubt it's actually illegal.

While a fun discussion, this is nothing more than a totally unsubstantiated rumour from a source that is frequently wrong (flight crew that is, not Skaggs!)
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 24):


While a fun discussion, this is nothing more than a totally unsubstantiated rumour from a source that is frequently wrong (flight crew that is, not Skaggs!)

Exactly.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:33 pm

Here are my list of questions.

1. How much cheaper is the A320 versus the B737NG?

2. Since the market forces have deemed the A320 the more "in demand"
a/c, why is Boeing not offering discounts on the B373NG

3. Airbus manufacturing process's are so efficient that even with a premium
product that the market demands they can still undercut Boeing?

4. How does Boeing survive much less turn a profit on its
non-competitive narrow body commercial line?

5. AA or Airbus accepts blame, then what, that party settles all the
outstanding civil litigation on the crash?
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:36 pm

I would guss that if such an Airbus/AA deal would be hatched, Boeing would counter-offer. Even if Boeing is more expensive, AA would save millions by not having to add another fleet-type. This in of itself would make the Boeing deal more attractive even if the cost per unit is lower from Airbus.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
AA are long-time RR customers but they are also cosy with GE...

So they'd be undecided between CFM and IAE, if this A320 lease agreement does come into place? Personally I'd see them going for IAE, should this IMO very far fetched rumour actually became a fact.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
Given AA have 47 x 738s and 7 x 772ERs which have been deferred I find it hard to believe that Boeing would be refusing to deal on 737NGs with AA

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The question becomes: if AA deferred 47 737NGs and 7 772ERs, then why the hell would they now choose to lease the A320? Besides, the acquisition costs, even for used A320s, might be higher for them than for other airlines, if they choose to re-skin the aircraft to match their polished metal colourscheme.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 17):
While the MD-80s are getting a bit old

Weren't some of the former-TW MD-80s that AA inherited manufactured in the late '90s?
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:05 am

Another point to me would be that Airbus would probably have to include mx training at no or a very cheap price. I doubt this would be a deal/settlement over the Nov. 2001 A-300 crash. Yes, the A-320 series is a fine a/c, with certain advantages over the 737/757 lines, but why muck up the fleet with another type of a/c? Most airlines are trying to simpifly their fleet types/models/brands.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
All of my AA pilot friends in DFW are talking of a rumor that will supposedly affect "all AA first officers" that will be announced sometime in September. The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I find it hard to believe that AA would ever buy Airbus but the rumor is that Boeing is refusing to deal on 737NG's and Airbus is offering a much sweeter deal.

The MD80 series must be replaced, and soon, for AA to be profitable. I understand that AA belives that all MD80-88 airframes must be phased out within 10 years.

p.s. I wish AA would upgrade their First Class product on 757's.



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
Given AA have 47 x 738s and 7 x 772ERs which have been deferred I find it hard to believe that Boeing would be refusing to deal on 737NGs with AA

Hi PanAm_DC10...you pipped me to the post.... Wink

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
I'm just going to go ahead and call bullshit on this right now. This isn't happening.

one thing for sure..Gunsontheroof...your never at a loss for words.. rotfl 

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
So do we smell a split deal? More 737s plus A320s?

PM, I think it would be just too expensive for AA...more than anything else, I think they will wait for the next generation single-isle planes.....

If Airbus builds a superiour single-isle plane than Boeing does, then I can say..sure, they'll buy Airbus, but if its even near parity, they will stick with Boeing...

Quoting American777 (Reply 16):
AA signed an exclusivity agreement with Boeing in the late 1990s, to be their main airplane provider. Now that AA is starting to make profits again and they'll probably start taking delivery of their deferred orders and even probably order more Boeings as they are expanding their international network. So just refresh your mind and know that AA won't order any Airbus planes anytime soon!

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Quoting Par13del (Reply 26):

2. Since the market forces have deemed the A320 the more "in demand"
a/c, why is Boeing not offering discounts on the B373NG

Have you seen the data? Please prove to me that the A320 is more "in demand"......the data the past few years does show a slight advantage of the A32X over the 737, but by your other comments, you make it sound as if the A320 is crushing the 737....which is not true..

For example...take a look at the sales of the 737 versus A32X this year....

Quoting Par13del (Reply 26):
4. How does Boeing survive much less turn a profit on its
non-competitive narrow body commercial line?

Does that comment even warrant a reply?  sarcastic 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting American777 (Reply 16):
AA signed an exclusivity agreement with Boeing in the late 1990s, to be their main airplane provider.

Am I to assume there was no escape clause American could use if things went sour with Boeing?
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
AA are long-time RR customers but they are also cosy with GE...

I think it is the other way around because AA has a few airplanes in its fleet which use the RR variant of engines, and the rest are GE like on the 767, A300, and 737's. I do think they sit pretty with both companies.

it is all speculation, I wouldent be surprised if AA purchased a 737-700. Bringing in the A320 would make sense and then not make sense, whats AA going to do? Sell or scrap all these newer 738's and replace them with more A320's and 321's?
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:24 am

Aint going to happen with the 320's, certainly not on the terms set out by the thread starter!
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
Quoting Par13del (Reply 26):

2. Since the market forces have deemed the A320 the more "in demand"
a/c, why is Boeing not offering discounts on the B373NG


Have you seen the data?

I think that this poster was being very wry. I think that he was basically saying, in multiple parts, "If the 737 is such a piece of crap, not in demand, and produced by folks who aren't as efficient manufacturers of aircraft as the dominant player Airbus, and they don't offer massive discounts on price, how is it that they sell any planes at all, much less profitably?" Or, in other words, "If it's such a piece of crap, and Boeing are such dorks, how do they even make money?"

Get it?

So it's probably better that you didn't "dignify it with a response".
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
All of my AA pilot friends in DFW are talking of a rumor that will supposedly affect "all AA first officers" that will be announced sometime in September. The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

1) Why would an A320 order apply to all AA first officers?

2) Why would Airbus even consider accepting blame for the AA587 incident? It would be no different that accepting responsibility for the Amriva A320 crash...

3) How could AA afford a new A320 fleet when they are currently deferring 737NG orders that were made under vary favorable terms?

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 32):
Am I to assume there was no escape clause American could use if things went sour with Boeing?

It doesn't matter. The EU demanded that all exclusive contracts should ruled void when the Boeing/MD merger took place, and Boeing abliged.

It should be noted that a "gentlemen's agreement" almost certainly still exist between AA and Boeing.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 26):
4. How does Boeing survive much less turn a profit on its non-competitive narrow body commercial line?

How have you not been banned for making such ignorant comments?
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 36):
2) Why would Airbus even consider accepting blame for the AA587 incident? It would be no different that accepting responsibility for the Amriva A320 crash...

You've got it the wrong way round! In reply #5 Skaggs says that it's AA that would take responsibility, not Airbus.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 36):
It should be noted that a "gentlemen's agreement" almost certainly still exist between AA and Boeing.

More than likely. However, it doesn't take much to break a "gentlemen's agreement". Given that the legal contract was voided as part of Boeing's acquisition of MD, there would presumably be no recourse for breaking said agreement.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 33):
I think it is the other way around because AA has a few airplanes in its fleet which use the RR variant of engines, and the rest are GE like on the 767, A300, and 737's. I do think they sit pretty with both companies.

AA has is a huge operator of both the 777's and 757's..all of which have RR engines...

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Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 35):

I think that this poster was being very wry. I think that he was basically saying, in multiple parts, "If the 737 is such a piece of crap, not in demand, and produced by folks who aren't as efficient manufacturers of aircraft as the dominant player Airbus, and they don't offer massive discounts on price, how is it that they sell any planes at all, much less profitably?" Or, in other words, "If it's such a piece of crap, and Boeing are such dorks, how do they even make money?"

Get it?

So it's probably better that you didn't "dignify it with a response".

got ya'... thumbsup ....

I'm glad someone else saw it as I did....

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 36):

How have you not been banned for making such ignorant comments?

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 37):
More than likely. However, it doesn't take much to break a "gentlemen's agreement". Given that the legal contract was voided as part of Boeing's acquisition of MD, there would presumably be no recourse for breaking said agreement.

Probably not, but one can also presume that Boeing nonetheless extended the same financial conditions to AA for future block purchases so as to create a de facto exclusivity agreement which should keep AA in the Boeing camp at least until the 737RS and A320RS programs are fomally unveiled.

So I agree this rumor has as much substance as a house of cards on a sand pile in the Nile delta at flood peak during a magnitude 10 earthquake.  Smile
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Not ever? Not in 2012? Not in 2018? Not in 2035? Wow. Old grudges die slowly...

How funny!

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
So do I smell a split deal? More 737s plus A320s for JL?

Yeah, I guess JL might be interested in those buses since they kept the old JD A300's! An no, Boeing will do their best to help AA replace their workhorses with the Y1 project, so I don't see any reason why AA would want to buy A320's. They wouldn't want to spend a lot of time and cash training their pilots to an all different type of plane!

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:40 am

Believe it when you see it...RUMORS are just that, RUMORS. AA will have to spend millions to train, maintain, stock parts, etc, etc. In the middle of their cost-cutting spree how would they benefit from such a thing? They are simplifying everything...this rumor does not make sense at all...unless AIRBUS hands AA the airplanes "for -free".
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:40 am

If AA were to accept blame for the crash, which I find hard to believe at the moment, wouldn't that open them up to being liable for damages? I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like an admission like that could have very serious consequences.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Wounds heal. Time passes. AA would be incredibly stupid to announce or otherwise indicate that they'd NEVER buy Airbus again. They'd be guaranteeing high prices from Boeing.

GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT!!!!!!!!!! THEY WON'T BUY THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOLD BOEING THAT THEY WON'T along with CO and DL. (I could explain it again but I do this every week)

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Not ever? Not in 2012? Not in 2018? Not in 2035? Wow. Old grudges die slowly...

Not a grudge anymore just an old agreement.

Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Which was almost as quickly cancelled - at least officially.

It was only cancelled because the EU pissed about it. It's still very very much in play with the airlines who signed them.


AA will NOT fly A320s for the forseeable future. I know all you super-Airbus fans think that they will but until 201X they won't even consider them unless it'll get Boeing to lower prices. Stop making these threads, you sound like an idiot because we have discussed this to death.

Yes, AA does need to replace thier MD80s, they have NG737s on order, quite a few of them I believe. I'm sure if they need more they'll order them.

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:48 am

I think the more viable rumor would be that the 738's on order would no longer be deffered.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Skaggs (Thread starter):
The rumor is that, Airbus is offering AA a Jet Blue type deal on A320's in exchange for acceping all blame for the A300 crash in New York.

I think this forum just sunk to a new low. This is absolutely a bunch of BS and it smells like a madeup rumor to get the rumor mill going.

If (and I very highly doubt it) but lets say if this is true... do you realize what will happen to Airbus or Boeing or any other A/C manufacturer if they ever "admit" to anything? It would be suicide. Every attorney that caught wind of this "admittance" would be all over Airbus like flies on a rib roast. Once they publicly admit to something like this it would be hard to recover from it.
 
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 14):
While I would love to see another major B737 operator converting to the A320 and possibly the A320E, I just don't think that is realist to think that Boeing will allow AA to slip from their hands.

Well, in this case it will be a MD80 operator converting to the A320. And an airline operating side by side 737NG and the 320 family, like the Chinese carriers do, and SAS, or THY...
With the notable exception that we are talikng in the 300+ frames. There is room for both with such numbers...

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 36):
2) Why would Airbus even consider accepting blame for the AA587 incident? It would be no different that accepting responsibility for the Amriva A320 crash...

Because 300+ A320 are in the equation. After all, the A300 is getting towards its end (at least as a pax a/c), with potential future sales virtually equal to 0. So that will not tarnish so much their image. I mean, they might accept blame for an A300, but not for an A330 or A320.
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 46):
And an airline operating side by side 737NG and the 320 family, like the Chinese carriers do, and SAS, or THY...

Way to pick some really profitable examples...

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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:59 am

a bit off topic but this doc. could cast light on some issues on the why and why nots of a possible deal with Airbus

http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2001/AA587/presentations/06_operations.pdf
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RE: AA To Lease Airbus A320's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:01 am

AA ordering A-320, not gonna happen!
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