planemad
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VS A330's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:29 pm

I have heard a rumour about VS ordering A330's. Has anyone heard the same? Aren't they meant to be "4 engines 4 long haul"?

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RE: VS A330's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:33 pm

Quoting PlaneMad (Thread starter):
I have heard a rumour about VS ordering A330's. Has anyone heard the same? Aren't they meant to be "4 engines 4 long haul"?

Sam D Smile

Ohh no not this again. Until it's actually materialises let's just forget about it.

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RE: VS A330's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:35 pm

There were several people on this forum saying, essentially, 'All will be revealed at Farnbrough, wait and see', some comments were also made in conjunction with A380 order cancellations, and here we are a couple weeks after and yet ... nothing.

Dont hold your breath.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:08 pm

Yes, the VS "expert insiders" are remarkably quiet aren't they? Perhaps they are in hiding, embarrassed!
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:15 pm

Not hiding or embarrassed!

And for the record I for one never mentioned Farnborough. When they want to announce it, they will.

The A330s will replace the A380 order. Fleet will be 333s, 346s and 744s.
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 4):
The A330s will replace the A380 order. Fleet will be 333s, 346s and 744s

Are you sure about that ?. Have you heard the latest rumours ?.

Don't believe anything you hear until it is announced officially - no matter how credible the source may seem  Wink.

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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:29 am

I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 4):
The A330s will replace the A380 order

500+ pax to 250+ pax, that seems an unlikely filler for an A380...
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:33 am

MAN-MCO in low season, I think an A330 would be adequate for that route! Then use the 747's in High season.
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:02 am

Virgin will have an ETOPS operation by 2008 and it could be either Boeing or airbus, but Im sure they will stay with airbus by ordering the 350 XWB and in the meantime receive A330's. This is from a reliable source
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:10 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

many, especially when opening opening routes....I would say that ORD and YYZ would be perfect for A330 service, though...

however.....as WINGS properly says below...

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):

Ohh no not this again. Until it's actually materialises let's just forget about it.

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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

Expansion from smaller airports (GLA-MCO starting next year on 744) and also for the introduction of long haul thin routes from MAN and LGW, to 'test the water'.

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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
.I would say that ORD and YYZ would be perfect for A330 service

I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 12):
I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.

Umm what are you on about ?.

VS are based in London, not YYZ or ORD, so are hardly going to start a service between the two.

Jacobin777 was reffering to the re-introduction of the services from London, which an E175 or a B735 would struggle to do me thinks !!!.

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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:45 am

I think a few a330s would make perfect sense for VS. It's pretty hard to test out new routes, especially from the smaller airports such as MAN and GLA when all you have are 747s and a340s.
As CactusTECH suggests, an order of a330s followed by a350s does sound likely.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 12):

I dont think so at all, if AC operates E-175's and codeshare 735's with UA, that tells you something on the pax loads for those flights. So an A330 might only get about 100 pax at peak hours.



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Jacobin777 was reffering to the re-introduction of the services from London, which an E175 or a B735 would struggle to do me thinks !!!.

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also...I flew on VS from ORD a couple of times....flights were full to the brim....
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:44 am

To me both VS, BA and BD are in tune for a changing future..

BA and VS dominate with fleets of 747's on protected routes which both govern competition and destinations served...

they only fly so much to JFK now because of convienience.. the amount of Connecting pax at JFK from these flights is HUGE, plus shoppers on weeks/weekends to New York as they are bucket cheap seats.. to fill the plane, ie sell it for a little or lose money.. hence especially why in the off season (Jan/Feb) you can fly to New York for £200 !

When Bermuda 2 is released all will be able to fly to a much wider selection of US destinations than before.. but all the new destinations won't fill a 747 and the amount of connections in JFK will diminish... with it the size of the aircraft and so the bucket cheap seats.

The result will be smaller planes to more destinations, with slightly cheaper fares for all destinations within the US and slightly higher fares to New York, though frequencies to the New York will remain the same, just spread between more airlines, smaller planes and less passengers connecting in New York..

this is the reality...

so 744's to New York will become more of a thing of the past and 787/A350's will make much more sense..

VS and BA are coming to terms with this reality and adjusting ahead of arrival.. the real winner will be BD who will for the first time need Long Haul aircraft for the US.. they just have to survive until Bermuda 2 ends.

Currently BA must cycle 10 747's through the JFK route (inc maintenace) and probably 6 for VS, this definitely won't regenerate into 10x A380 for BA and 6 for VS...

With increased competition on 1 stops for Hong Kong/Singapore and Asia.. the airlines will be feeling the heat.. so why rush out and increase capacity.. down size it costs you less and puts the pressure on the A380 flyers to fill the plane.

Don't get me wrong the A380 has it's place but BA No... VS probably diminishing (Though maybe Africa/South America/ SFO/LAX for VS may work)
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:53 am

so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"

Yet again, this was an Airbus Slogan...
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"

so much to "who cares?"

n
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:09 pm

How soon are they bound to be an all Airbus fleet? Or are they.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

Have they gotten rid of the 343's yet? New 333's would certainly be an upgrade for routes with the same load demand.
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:37 pm

They have a few 343s left. I know for sure that one went to Finnair and one went to a new Portugal or spanish airline.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:29 pm

Only 2 A340-300s have left the fleet. G-VFLY went to Finnair and G-VSKY went to BWIA.

G-VBUS and G-VSUN are operated on behalf of Virgin Nigeria but are still VS aircraft.

Mark
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:34 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"

I thought this slogan had been dropped ?

I was looking at an A340 the other day where the slogans had been removed (not very cleanly so you could see the outline where the letters were)
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:38 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 17):
so much to "4 engines 4 long haul"

so much to "who cares?"

n

Actually it is quite interesting that as little as 4 years ago with Airbus and SRB touting the "4 engines 4 longhaul" bull Airbus have had to conceed that Boeing got it VERY right with the long range twin in the form of the 777.

Airbus has been forced to admit that its "2 engines to make money" and the A346 has been slaughtered by the 773ER and are now forced to spend billions developing a 777/787 competitor bringing the A330/340 to a premature end.

If Airbus didn't care they would have continued along that path rather than spend 10 B replacing.competing..........
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 25):
Airbus has been forced to admit that its "2 engines to make money" and the A346 has been slaughtered by the 773ER and are now forced to spend billions developing a 777/787 competitor bringing the A330/340 to a premature end.

Actually if you look at the numbers they're quiet even. All 300/310/330/340 vs all 767/777. You get to just about the same number around 1800. So nobody slaughtered nobody.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:45 pm

I would be surprised if Virgin Atlantic ordered the Airbus A330 series 300… If you think we have a totally new type on the horizon with the Airbus A350 and Boeing 787.

Surely if Virgin was going to make the an investment in the twin engine sector they would want to ensure they are buying the latest technology?

If Virgin Atlantic does introduce a twin engine long haul aircraft I think they will wait for either the Airbus A350 or Boeing 787 and they will skip the Airbus A330 type in general.

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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:00 pm

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 18):
Yet again, this was an Airbus Slogan...

It was a virgin slogan, it was painted on some of their planes.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:11 pm

Maybe VS are going for the same deal as SQ...

buy some budget A330's as a stop gap until the A350's.

Maybe Airbus is offering cut price A330's to A350 customers to 1.. sell more A330's and 2..guarentee A350 sales...
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RE: VS A330's?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 13):
Umm what are you on about ?.

Sorry I had a brain fart folks, I thought he meant fly it between ORD-YYZ. Now I see what hes saying, now that makes sense since AC serves LHR-YYZ with a 340, and that is proving it self on that route, so there would be capacity for a 330 on that route.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 28):

It was a virgin slogan, it was painted on some of their planes.

It was an Airbus slogan.... Smile
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RE: VS A330's?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 25):
If Airbus didn't care they would have continued along that path rather than spend 10 B replacing.competing..........

The point is that nobody except the kids here care about an advertising slogan falling by the wayside.

Clearly, the markets demanded twins. Airbus is responding.

Who cares about the slogan?

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RE: VS A330's?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 32):
The point is that nobody except the kids here care about an advertising slogan falling by the wayside.



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 32):
Who cares about the slogan?


So true! It gets very stupid here sometimes. Its true that 4engines4longhaul was an Airbus slogan "adopted" by VS. However it was truly taken on board by VS and adapted for the Boeing fleet

"we're better by 4"

and

"the power of 4"

spring to mind.

But really.....................WHO CARES? We might see a new type in VS' livery and thats got to be good!

[Edited 2006-08-02 19:21:56]
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 33):
So true! It gets very stupid here sometimes. Its true that 4engines4longhaul was an Airbus slogan "adopted" by VS. However it was truly taken on board by VS and adapted for the Boeing fleet "we're better by 4" and "the power of 4" spring to mind.

But really.....................WHO CARES?

Exactly, its just a silly marketing slogan like "Its nicer up here" or "*ding* You are now free to move about the country". If you think of it, its the same as QF putting Longreach on there 747's.
 
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RE: VS A330's?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 3):
Yes, the VS "expert insiders" are remarkably quiet aren't they? Perhaps they are in hiding, embarrassed

i only said it would be announced at farnborough if they got through the nitty gritty in time!

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
There were several people on this forum saying, essentially, 'All will be revealed at Farnbrough, wait and see', some comments were also made in conjunction with A380 order cancellations, and here we are a couple weeks after and yet ... nothing.

see above

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 4):
The A330s will replace the A380 order. Fleet will be 333s, 346s and 744s.

not what ive been told

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I doubt it, I cant think of any routes that are in demand of an A330.

i can