YULWinterSkies
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About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:12 am

Folks

Has anyone been on one of the new AF 773ER between ORY and the French overseas départements.
How do they compare to the old 747s and the "regular" 773ER ?

What is the seating configuration onboard? Y 3-4-3 ?

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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:45 am

I was on one of these new planes last week, PTP to ORY (Classe Affaires).

Compared to the 743s previously on this route, there is a huge improvement in terms of space (seating/storage), comfort (new business class seats etc) and overall quality of surroundings. Not surprising, since the 743s previously on this route were up to 25 years old and really showing their age, with total capacity of 507 passengers. The new 773s are in the usual DOM TOM set up, Affaires/Alizé/Tempo, but with around 480 passengers only (14 in Affaires, which is much better than before, where there were 21 seats, all quite cramped). I did not in fact see the Y cabin, but I noticed from another post on this subject that the seating is 3-4-3. I am sure that in Y there is also a massive improvement over the old 743s, especially in terms of seat comfort and entertainment.

If you compare to the “regular” 773s in the AF fleet, then things change. On the normal routes, the layout is Première/Affaires/Tempo, which means that there is a first class cabin (8 seats) with full bed etc., which is really excellent. As regards Affaires and Tempo, the seats are identical as far as I am aware.

Even though for years I was hoping the AF would finally retire their 4 old 743s from the Caribbean routes, I have to admit that I miss them (but not enough to want them to come back !), somehow a 777 just doesn’t have the same “excitement” factor, at least for me. I will be sorry when the 747 disappears from the AF fleet entirely.

I hope that my reactions etc are useful, let me know if there is anything more you would like to know.
 
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:21 am

Welcome on a.net!

Yes you answer my questions... Merci bcp! I agree with you about the "excitement" factor of a 747 vs a "boring" long metal tube. Although the 773ER is an amazing-looking plane and a technological masterpiece, it is beaten by any 747 for the "excitement". When it comes to being onboard, the smaller always the better though... Less time to wait for everything...

Yes with 480 seats it has to be 3-4-3 in Y. I was just wondering about how it would feel relative to the normal 3-3-3 777 in terms of space, legroom, etc...
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:33 am

Thank you for your greetings. I am pleased to hear that you share my love for the 747 !! !

Like I said, I didn't see the Y cabin last time, however I am probably taking the ORY - PTP flight again in around 10 days (unless I go through SXM which is no use to you as it is served by the A340), so I will check the cabin and give you some more details. I am sure that whatever the seat spacing, the overall impression will be a huge improvement over the 743s, which were really getting too old. I always felt sorry for people whose only experience of AF was taking one of these flights to PTP or FDF, it gave them a really unfair image of the quality of AFs fleet.
 
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:53 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 2):
Yes with 480 seats it has to be 3-4-3 in Y. I was just wondering about how it would feel relative to the normal 3-3-3 777 in terms of space, legroom, etc...

Actually, I was surprised to see that the 3x4x3 seating doesn't make much more difference compared to the 3x3x3 seating.

The seats of course are differents, a bit narrower. The aisles are also a bit narrow, but with a 32" pitch I am sure nobody sees the difference, well at least a "standard" passenger.

Air France has now received a fourth B773ER to be based at ORY (F-GSQR, its 17th B773ER).
The B743 are now retired from the PTP & FDF routes, but their "career" with AF continues for another fews weeks, as they operate additional flights ORY-AJA-ORY for the summer season and some humanitary flights between CDG and LCA ...
 
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:34 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 4):
The B743 are now retired from the PTP & FDF routes, but their "career" with AF continues for another fews weeks

You said before that 2 of these old 743s would be sent to the US - do you know by chance exactly where they will go and who the new owner is ? You also said that the 2 oldest will be broken up, will that be at Chateauroux ?

Like I said, even if I hated them towards the end of their life, somehow I miss them also, they had lots of character !!
 
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:43 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 4):
Air France has now received a fourth B773ER to be based at ORY (F-GSQR, its 17th B773ER).

At least for the remainder of the summer program, Air France has twice daily ORY-FDF and twice daily ORY-PTP scheduled. That would imply that none of the four B773ERs based at ORY is ever held back for an overnight stop at ORY, which is of course not possible. What is Air France doing when one of the holiday B77Ws is down for a day? Substitute with an ORY-based B744?
 
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:54 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
At least for the remainder of the summer program, Air France has twice daily ORY-FDF and twice daily ORY-PTP scheduled

For the rest of the summer, the PTP service is twice per day on Monday/Wednesday/Friday/Sunday only. As for the other days, there is a second flight only until 9 September, when these days go back to one flight only. (Similar situation for FDF).

Having read with interest your posts on utilisation, I am sure that you can easily review the impact on the new Caribbean fleet (I tried, but I have zero competence in this area !).
 
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
What is Air France doing when one of the holiday B77Ws is down for a day? Substitute with an ORY-based B744?

Probably.
Or one of the B743 for another few days.
That's what AF did early July when the brand new (just 3 days old) B77W F-GSQP was damaged at PTP by a loader and had to be grounded to be repaired.

This problem will be solved by March 2007, after the delivery of the 7th and last B773ER to be based at ORY, and the introduction of this type on the ORY-RUN route.
With a Daily flight ORY-RUN, then 9 x Weekly starting April.2007.

[Edited 2006-08-11 17:54:58]
 
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RE: About The New AF 773ER CIO?

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):
the brand new (just 3 days old) B77W F-GSQP was damaged at PTP by a loader and had to be grounded to be repaired.

Wow...

That must be a change for the PTP loaders actually. After decades (I bet) of seeing only the 747...

I guess the "fragile handle with care" stickers sould not only be put on suitcases but also on the airplane....
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