steeler83
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My Day At MDT

Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:38 am

Buon Giorno!!! heh

I was at MDT for the first time ever today, and I must say the following about the facility...

Number 1, it's a very nice, new, modern facility. Very futuristic in appearance and up-to-date and very inviting.

Number 2, of course, it is emmmmptyyyy!!!! There was nothing there except for regional jets and prop planes. Although when I left, there was a NW DC9, either a 10 or a 30-it was a small DC9- that arrived on a DTW-MDT-DTW routing according to the monitor. 777DadandJr and myself immediately assumed that it was MSP, but I looked at the monitor and it registered DTW.

Anyway, we (777DadandJr and myself) talked a bit about the facility, he showed me some of its history, and even some of the spots that could be used for expansion.

I added, that even though pax expansion may not happen, this airport could still function as a significant cargo ops base and still be a bit of a driving force in the regional economy, particularly for Harrisburg-Middletown. It looks as though that the cargo space has room for expansion there.

All in all, I had a really good day today up at MDT, but I am just wondering what some of your thoughts are regarding MDT and its future with daily flights and cargo. Will more mainline eventually come back to MDT? Could cargo expand if it wanted to?

I understand that MDT is very expensive to op out of, and even the fares were high. 777DadandJr said that it's expensive to fly out of MDT, and noted how expensive the airport is (If you join later, I hope I quoted you correctly, and that I am not twisting words around or anything of the type...)
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RE: My Day At MDT

Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:58 pm

I enjoy flying out of MDT. I used to fly in to there whenever I went to Hershey Park. The terminal opened in the fall of 2004 if I remember correctly. So what have they done with the old terminal? Is it still up or are they planning to tear it down? I only got to fly out of the new terminal once and that was a 15 minute layover flying ORD-MDT-IAD.
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RE: My Day At MDT

Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:05 pm

i loved my time at MDT, I flew a DC-3 out of there in 1990,supporting FedEx ops (overflow) out of EWR, a great little city,and a great airport.
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RE: My Day At MDT

Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:16 pm

MDT is the airport closest to my home, but I also fly out of EWR or IAD. I find MDT depressing, more so than the old terminal used to be. It's always empty. There is cheesy background music, which is very noticeable in such a quiet place. There are two rows of rocking chairs: you might as well announce "This is it, you're in the boonies, no Singapore for you." The signage is poor. The monitors are not where you'd expect them (you need to backtrack toward the parking area to find them). The large floor mosaic has had some maintenance problems.

Obviously, with few flights and a principally white-bread user base, it's not going to be an exciting place. But it "could" be more fun. It could feel a little like Green Acres, let's say. Instead, to me, it feels like The Langoliers.



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RE: My Day At MDT

Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:29 pm

I had a great experience flying out of MDT over Christmas last year. The terminal was clean, spacious, and effiecient. People there were curtious and they even had live music (probably for the holiday).

Such a far cry from PHL. If they could attract some bigger jets, or maybe B6, they could really be attactive for the Berks/Lancaster area. Right now the extra 20 minutes of driving to PHL is worth it since the fares are so much lower there.

I also love looking straight down the runway while passing over the Susquehanna River Bridge on the Turnpike.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:36 pm

My dads good friend lives in MDT. He flies AA and DL out of there. Is it worth the drive to PHL. Not if have you miles and miles on the airlines I mentioned he flies.

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RE: My Day At MDT

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Thread starter):
Number 1, it's a very nice, new, modern facility. Very futuristic in appearance and up-to-date and very inviting.

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Quoting Steeler83 (Thread starter):
Number 2, of course, it is emmmmptyyyy!!!! There was nothing there except for regional jets and prop planes.

Sad but true..........  thumbsdown   Sad

Sort of makes you want to close your eyes, click your heels three times and repeat "please bring back mainline service"
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RE: My Day At MDT

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Thread starter):
Number 2, of course, it is emmmmptyyyy!!!!

That's the sad part...it's always empty. The AM push (0600-0730) is the busiest time.

Hopefully the addition of AA to DFW is only the start of new service. Again, I feel MDT will turn around when they can land a LCC. There is plenty of business to be had at MDT. It's just getting someone to fly here!!

Glad you had a good time Steeler.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting United767 (Reply 1):
So what have they done with the old terminal? Is it still up or are they planning to tear it down?

It is still standing; I took a shot of the abandoned gates from inside the bridge leading to the terminal from the garage. 777DadandJr said that they might turn that into offices, but we both kinda started talking about possibly adding more gates and essentially linking the two terminals, providing that a new carrier comes in and traffic picks up considerably...

Then again, they said the same thing about another abandoned old terminal... This one, as a matter of fact...
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Quoting BatonOps (Reply 7):
Hopefully the addition of AA to DFW is only the start of new service. Again, I feel MDT will turn around when they can land a LCC. There is plenty of business to be had at MDT. It's just getting someone to fly here!!

Yeah, I'd like to see either B6, which would bring New York service to MDT, or FL. do any airlines serve BOS? If not, then FL could provide 717 service to BOS. Heh, another thought came to mind: MDT-PIT on FL, yeah right, heheh... We wish...

Frankly, they should cut their gate leases and landing fees in half, and then have airlines fight over who gets the remaining unused gates. Then when they're all filled up and more airlines want to come in, then refer to the above statement regarding expansion towards the old terminal...

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 7):
Glad you had a good time Steeler.

Thanks  Smile

Next time, the three of us should get together! I can't wait for that to happen. I'd like to meet you in person as well!! I understand that you had to work though... 777Dad is a really nice guy; we had a blast there. I am lookin forward to going back!
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RE: My Day At MDT

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:47 pm

It is a beautiful airport and I think it is very passenger friendly. You park in the garage, then cross the street to the terminal. The gates/bathrooms/counters are clean and spacious. Plus, you need super security to get from one area to another if you are an employee. Great set up for TSA so they aren't as obvious or in the way as in other airports. They are behind the scenes in regard to screening bags. Heck, if you are a smoker they even have smoking rooms for you (how many airports do that anymore?) It being empty is nice for the public but not so nice for airline profit. Maybe in time when the industry turns around UA and NW and the other carriers can pick up flights again.
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steeler83
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RE: My Day At MDT

Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Philly (Reply 9):
Heck, if you are a smoker they even have smoking rooms for you (how many airports do that anymore?)

I know PIT doesn't; the automated voice even says it's strictly non-smoking... yeah, so if you want to smoke, you have to go thru security to go outside, ugh, then come back in, redo the whole security shit, aaagh...

But... for me, I don't smoke, and would not even take an 11 foot post near a cigarette!!! Let's see, I am already a type1 diabetic... The last thing I need is to put myself at high-risk for emphesima, throat and lung cancer on top of all the other stuff I am at high risk for...

But yeah, again, I really hope that as the airline industry continues to rebound, that maybe MDT will too...
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RE: My Day At MDT

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:12 pm

I'm glad you had a good visit Steeler! I was great to be able to hang out with a fellow a.nutter!

Quoting Steeler83 (Thread starter):
Number 1, it's a very nice, new, modern facility. Very futuristic in appearance and up-to-date and very inviting.

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Quoting Steeler83 (Thread starter):
Number 2, of course, it is emmmmptyyyy!!!!

 checkmark  Sad, but true.

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 7):
feel MDT will turn around when they can land a LCC.

 checkmark  we will continue to keep our fingers crossed!

Quoting Philly (Reply 9):
It is a beautiful airport and I think it is very passenger friendly

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Steeler and I had a blast. Had a great lunch and tour of the facility.

But Steeler forgot to mention the special visitor we saw on Tuesday. While eating lunch, Steeler caught a glimpse of something big zooming past the window. He knew it was military, but didn't see what it was. After finishing lunch, we hurried up to the observation deck and were treated to a KC135 doing touch and go and a few fly bys! That was an awesome sight, to see that big old 707 showing us that she's still got the stuff! Awesome!

If you catch it on the right day, MDT see a good bit of military traffic. I have seen C5's, KC135, and KC10's doing transitions (thanks to BatonOps, for explaining what transitions are, LOL!). With it's light traffic and 10001ft runway, it's a perfect place for the military to work from. Besides, with the ANG being at MDT, C130's are a common, yet exciting treat as well!

Russ
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RE: My Day At MDT

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Thread starter):
NW DC9, either a 10

Northwest has not had a DC-9-10 in over a year.


I used to fly into MDT once or twice a year, but I have not been back for a few years, I think it was before 9/11, I know the last time I was there it was still the old terminal they were using. It was always fun when American and Northwest had departures at the same time, I keep remembering people that were flying AA got on an NW plane.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:05 am

I'm a native of Harrisburg, was just there last week visiting family, and was compelled to drive by MDT one night while there. I've used the airport many times, traveling through each of its now three terminals over the last 30+ years.

While everyone seems to believe the savior of MDT is going to be an LCC, I'm not so sure that is necessary for the airport to survive and return to previous levels of activity. It is the airlines who have downsized a/c capacity, slowly but surely, going from mainline to regional jets. MDT isn't unique here, as this has happened in countless US markets. What I think is the true culprit is the interstate/highway system, and the proximity to PHL/BWI/IAD, and the LARGE and growing presence of LCCs there. All 3 of these airports will soon have Southwest & AirTran, and jetBlue is at IAD already, so it will have all 3 LCC majors operating there. None of these airports are more than 2hr away from MDT, depending upon traffic conditions. People's incessant need/desire for a nonstop flight on a big plane is what is driving them to those airports in record numbers. I actually believe fare is secondary. People BELIEVE that they can't get anywhere from MDT, and that it's going to be on a paper plane, something tiny and less than acceptable.

If more Central Pennsylvanian's took into account what it costs them to drive to those airports, park there, and sometimes even stay overnight in an airport hotel, maybe they'd wake up and start making more travel sense (fly HIA). Let's not even talk about the time wasted doing so. I know people who have friends who live near these other airports and they are always willing to let them stay there or leave the car and drive them to the airport. I am so independent I'd rather not inconvenience people that way, even if they offer, and have declined in the past. If it's about that, why not fly from home and have someone local take you to the airport, saving cost on gas, wear & tear, parking, and TIME. Another deterrant is those same local residents advising visiting friends and family to fly into one of those other airports instead of MDT, and offering to pick them up. I don't think so! lol That would not be me making that offer, because it's crazy to do so, but many do. We're talking literally hundreds of thousands of passengers annually are lost this way.

The Airport has to figure out how to begin to change the mindset of those who already are its core market. That is the problem! Central PA is NOT growing by leaps and bounds, and will not again in our lifetime (that's my belief). It's heyday is largely over, much as it is for most of the rust belt. Lots of locals have conditioned themselves to not even give MDT a thought, much less a try. Saving $100 or less on a ticket is not worth the drive out of town, yet many times I'd bet the fare difference is no more than that. Sure, there are times when it is more, much more, and those are hard calls to make. At times, I'm sure even I would make the drive down the road if it meant saving hundreds. But having lived in a market with comparable service to MDT for over 9yrs, I found that with proper planning, I almost always was able to get a satisfactory itinerary and fare, and that was without the presence of a LCC. There was an airport with tons of Southwest service just 75mi away, and I only flew out of there 3x in 9yrs, and only once on Southwest. Our airport also lost hundreds of thousands of annual travelers to that airport, but it was/is still able to continue growing service and passenger traffic. More in that community seem to value the available air service than those in the MDT area, and that is very unfortunate.

I think the HIA terminal is beautiful, absolutely! But it is incredibly expensive to operate and pay the debt, and that has to be passed on to the tenants who occupy the building. Allegiant chose not to serve MDT because of the high costs of operation, and went to Portsmouth, NH instead. I honestly believe that this terminal was built too soon, and that it will be a tough stretch in the next couple of years, unless usage begins to increase. It seems to me that it is too big, far more than what is needed. Fred Testa built it to be his homage to Central PA, just like he did in Manchester, NH. He even got the SARAA board to agree to the 4-gate extension being added during initial construction vs at a later date. Those gates are probably almost NEVER used, in the 2yrs since the building opened. The difference between the two terminals is that Southwest is serving MHT, basically running the airport and its traffic, and it is highly doubtful that it will ever serve MDT.

Figure out how to change the mindset of the local residents and visitors, give/create some sort of real incentive both for passengers (parking rebates or something, informing them of fare sales, etc.) and airlines (breaks on landing fees and marketing funds for new service), and develop some sort of tri-county regional business coalition to promote the use of MDT over other airports (if it doesn't already exist), and maybe things will begin to slowly change for the better. The new DFW service is a start, but much more needs to happen to start a positive track record.

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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 13):
If more Central Pennsylvanian's took into account what it costs them to drive to those airports, park there, and sometimes even stay overnight in an airport hotel, maybe they'd wake up and start making more travel sense (fly HIA).



Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 13):
The Airport has to figure out how to begin to change the mindset of those who already are its core market.[/quote}

[quote=AAflyguy,reply=13]Figure out how to change the mindset of the local residents and visitors, give/create some sort of real incentive both for passengers (parking rebates or something, informing them of fare sales, etc.) and airlines (breaks on landing fees and marketing funds for new service)

AAflyguy, you have hit the nail on the head here. This is the same thing I have been saying. I can't tell you how many people I speak to who say, "Oh, MDT is just too exspensive, so I go to BWI." Then I tell them how my trip to SEA was $150 cheaper out of MDT on UA than out of BWI on WN! Then they look at me and go, "Really?" Well, duh! You have a computer, USE IT!!!!!
Research people, research!

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 13):
That is the problem! Central PA is NOT growing by leaps and bounds, and will not again in our lifetime

Not exactly true, at least in York Co. York Co has seen one of the largest population increases in the last 10 years then most counties in the state. Central Pa is also the fastest growing region, in the state.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 13):
and develop some sort of tri-county regional business coalition to promote the use of MDT over other airports (if it doesn't already exist),

It does. The state has a program called "I Fly Pa." You can look at it here:
http://www.iflypa.com/

It promotes the use of Pa's regional airport, and shows comparisons of how using these airports can actually save time and money.
They need to more heavily promote this though.

AAflyguy, I am always impressed with your knowledge. I would welcome you to my RU list, but it seems you are already on it! LOL!

Russ
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:05 am

Russ,

Thanks for adding me, and attempting a 2nd time, to your RU List! I'm honored..lol..very cool!

I wish my mind was functioning properly prior to my recent visit home. I'd definitely like to meet you sometime. I'll make it a priority before my next trip to the Burg. Thanks for your insight. Being right there in the market itself, it is far more informative than what I can get being somewhat of an outsider now (haven't lived there since '91).

I'll be lurking around on a regular basis on this site, so our paths will cross time and again, and eventually in person. Take care!

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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
Then again, they said the same thing about another abandoned old terminal... This one, as a matter of fact...

Yea that was a sad day when they tore the terminal down. I miss that old terminal.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
Quoting Philly (Reply 9):
Heck, if you are a smoker they even have smoking rooms for you (how many airports do that anymore?)

I know PIT doesn't; the automated voice even says it's strictly non-smoking... yeah, so if you want to smoke, you have to go thru security to go outside, ugh, then come back in, redo the whole security shit, aaagh...

Actually some of the food vendors (I believe the Sam Adams Pub and Fridays?) do offer a smoking section. At least one used to back when I worked for DL there (left in march).

Anywho good remark about the Mili traffic at MDT, I always see some whenever im zipping by on the turnpike. If they could land Southwest, JetBlue, or maybe even a 318 from Frontier, that would be great for that great little airport. Hope they get some more service!


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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:09 am

I spoke with a friend of mine that works at MDT (civilian side) today. Here are a few things I learned...

-If the old terminal doesn't find a tenant by fall it will be torn down.

-The FBO (Aero Services) has changed owners. It is now AvFlight Harrisburg. They would like to add some hangers...and most likely those would go on the old terminal ramp.

-Still no word on CQ Air.

-Representatives from B6 where in town in July. More talks are planned for August.

I know...I know... The B6 comment will probably bring some good feedback from people on the forum. I know that a lot of cities talk to B6...but you never know.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 13):
Allegiant chose not to serve MDT because of the high costs of operation, and went to Portsmouth, NH instead. I honestly believe that this terminal was built too soon, and that it will be a tough stretch in the next couple of years, unless usage begins to increase. It seems to me that it is too big, far more than what is needed. Fred Testa built it to be his homage to Central PA, just like he did in Manchester, NH. He even got the SARAA board to agree to the 4-gate extension being added during initial construction vs at a later date. Those gates are probably almost NEVER used,

True statemant about G4. They said the costs are too high to operate out of MDT. Too bad...we could really use the service to SFB.

The 4 gate extension is only used during the AM push. All but one gate is used at night for RON's. They are used when MDT has charter flights.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 17):
I know...I know... The B6 comment willrnprobably bring some good feedback from people on the forum.

I for one, will not. I will reserve any comments about B6 until there is something other than speculation to talk about.

Another bit of MDT news for those caffeine junkies, like me, Starbucks is coming to MDT!

Russ
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:24 am

Oh yeah...I forgot to mention that Starbucks will be opening within the next two weeks. The only downside is that it is past security screening. So...the only way to get a good cup of coffee is to be arriving/departing MDT.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
do any airlines serve BOS?

Piedmont (US) on the mighty dash. Don't worry, you'll have plenty of room, the flight will be empty.
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 19):
The only downside is that it is past security screening. So...the only way to get a good cup of coffee is to be arriving/departing MDT

That sucks!
Too bad they can't locate it so that it could be served from both sides. Or, as an alternative, they should allow the counter at Hudson News to take orders and have them sent up to the Hudson counter. I think that would make good sense, since it would give Starbucks the ability to sell coffee to those waiting in the rocking chairs for passengers on arriving flights!

Russ
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:55 am

I think Hudson sells their own coffee. Plus you have McDonalds selling hot and iced coffee. I do like your idea Russ...but doubtful it will happen.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 14):
Not exactly true, at least in York Co. York Co has seen one of the largest population increases in the last 10 years then most counties in the state. Central Pa is also the fastest growing region, in the state.

I agree with that as well. Lancaster County population INCREASED by 20,000 people over the period of 10 years from 1990-1999...

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 22):
Plus you have McDonalds selling hot and iced coffee.

Um, frankly, I'd rather go right on over to the Susquehanna River and drink out of THAT!!! Sorry, but it's nowhere NEAR Starbucks or Seattle's Best IMO  Wink

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 20):
Piedmont (US) on the mighty dash. Don't worry, you'll have plenty of room, the flight will be empty.

Then I suppose it would be a chaffeur, as opposed to a pilot, flying it? Sounds more like "air limosine service"  Smile

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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:16 pm

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 13):
People's incessant need/desire for a nonstop flight on a big plane is what is driving them to those airports in record numbers. I actually believe fare is secondary. People BELIEVE that they can't get anywhere from MDT, and that it's going to be on a paper plane, something tiny and less than acceptable.

If more Central Pennsylvanian's took into account what it costs them to drive to those airports, park there, and sometimes even stay overnight in an airport hotel, maybe they'd wake up and start making more travel sense (fly HIA). Let's not even talk about the time wasted doing so.

If you're flying to an overseas destination, say on UA, you can get a very good deal - basically the MDT-IAD segment is free. Convenience is good (especially the benefit of clearing security + passport in sleepy MDT). Timewise, it's a tossup, especially on the way back: After a European flight, waiting at a dismal "little" gate at IAD, you can't help thinking:"If I'd parked here, I'd be in Frederick by now."

If you're flying from MDT to a regional US airport the ticket prices are very high, and it definitely makes sense to drive to IAD, BWI, PHL or EWR.

AAflyguy, that was a great post.
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RE: My Day At MDT

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 24):
If you're flying to an overseas destination, say on UA, you can get a very good deal - basically the MDT-IAD segment is free.

This is so ture, even on domestic travel. For example, I went to Chicago back in June. To fly on UA from MDT-ORD, the price was about $350. I chose to fly from IAD-ORD and a fare of $224. (though, saving money was nice, the real reason was the UA777 on the return!!!)
Another example. In June 2005, we flew to SEA on UA. The fare from MDT-SEA connecting in ORD was $287. Currently the fare for MDT-ORD is $342. But, if I fly MDT-SEA it's only $97 more!

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 24):
If you're flying from MDT to a regional US airport the ticket prices are very high

Again, see the first example above.

I have always felt that if UA could bring their MDT fares down, even by 10-15%, they could generate much more traffic at MDT. With 6x daily to ORD and 4x Daily to IAD I think they could really pull alot of those BWI/IAD/PHL people back to MDT.

Russ
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RE: My Day At MDT

Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:47 am

The airport has approached many of the airlines in attempts to lower the fares.

I'm flying to LAS over Labor Day weekend and found the fares out of MDT very competitive. I looked at SW and FL out of BWI and neither one could beat the fare I got on US. I started looking at fares in mid-June.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 26):
I'm flying to LAS over Labor Day weekend and found the fares out of MDT very competitive. I looked at SW and FL out of BWI and neither one could beat the fare I got on US. I started looking at fares in mid-June.

Which city are you connecting through to get to LAS?
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RE: My Day At MDT

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:04 am

MDT is a beautiful airport. I have family there, so I try to go 2 times a year. I usually go SAN-IAD-MDT. The IAD-MDT leg is only about 20 minutes air time.

It is too bad MDT is so empty! Although it is nice to be first in line at security. I love the approach to 31, turning final over the Susquehanna and Three Mile Island.  bigthumbsup 

The employees are really friendly there as well, which adds to the nice experience. I'll have to let you local guys know when I'm stopping by!

Cheers,
Dave
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RE: My Day At MDT

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 28):
The employees are really friendly there as well, which adds to the nice experience. I'll have to let you local guys know when I'm stopping by!

Maybe 777Dad and myself will drop by to welcome you as you leave the gate area. Perhaps BatonOps would care to join us and we all could go on over to the Varsity Grill Big grin
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RE: My Day At MDT

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:13 am

What happened with Airtran?
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RE: My Day At MDT

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 30):
What happened with Airtran?

Sad story. All was in the works for Airtran to start service from MDT. The day before the announcement was to be made public, Airtran backed out.
That's all we know. No one is talking.

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RE: My Day At MDT

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 27):
Which city are you connecting through to get to LAS?

PIT on the way out and PHL on the way back. I try to avoid PHL as much as possible but I had little choice this time around.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 30):
What happened with Airtran?

Three days prior to the big FL announcement they pulled the plug and announced new service to HPN. MDT was all set to welcome FL. Gates had been marked and banners had been made for the terminal. Maybe we will get another chance...

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 29):
Maybe 777Dad and myself will drop by to welcome you as you leave the gate area. Perhaps BatonOps would care to join us and we all could go on over to the Varsity Grill

I'll try. I've never eaten at the Grill. I usually grab something at McDonalds when I'm flying out.
 
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RE: My Day At MDT

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 32):
PIT on the way out and PHL on the way back. I try to avoid PHL as much as possible but I had little choice this time around.

Damn, too bad you couldn't do PIT both times... Oh well...

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 32):
Three days prior to the big FL announcement they pulled the plug and announced new service to HPN. MDT was all set to welcome FL. Gates had been marked and banners had been made for the terminal. Maybe we will get another chance...

Ok, now I am just pissed at FL for doing that. That's like standing up your date for the prom!!! That was NOT cool... I hope we get another chance, too man! We're in dire need of the service...

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 32):
I'll try. I've never eaten at the Grill.

It's a good place. I think you'd like it. When I was there with 777Dad, I had a cheesesteak that was to die for; he had a chicken caesar salad; we both split a quasedilla... Other than that, working around one another's schedules is a supremely difficult thing. We'll just have to try and pick a day that happens to work out alright...
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