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All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:16 am

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What was the logic behind offering a flight to male passengers only? It would seem to me this would be an unpopular idea in the US of the 60s.

What routes were these flights offered and did any other airline offer them?

I've searched the database and could not find a thread on the matter.
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
What was the logic behind offering a flight to male passengers only? It would seem to me this would be an unpopular idea in the US of the 60s.

I would imagine that in the 1960's, the airlines were still very much the domain of the American establishment. Not until after deregulation was air travel in the United States "democratized."

I remember reading somewhere about UAL "gentlemen only" flights and actually mentioned them on a thread here awhile back, only to be told I was making it up.
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:26 am

Straight from the source:

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,,3302,00.html

Excerpt:

"Business as usual--1950s style:
United in 1953 introduced "Executive" all-male passenger flights. The men enjoyed free gifts such as cigars, which the stewardesses often lit for them. A reporter for Playboy magazine wrote, ". . .the only girls aboard are a couple of unobtrusive stewardesses. . ."
The popular Executive flights flew 10,500 segments, with a load factor of 80 to 90 percent, from 1953 until they were discontinued in 1970.
Complimentary alcohol, measured in cruets, was added to first class flights in 1956, and passengers were restricted to a two-drink limit. Stewardesses monitored the drink ration."

I could only imagine what would happen if they tried this today!
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Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:30 am

At one point, United distributed vouchers for these men's wives to accompany them on trips. They read something like "A special invitation for wives whose huspands like to fly"
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:32 am

A UA FA told me that Hawaii flights were at one point exclusively staffed by males. He even said on the old DC-10s they used to sling up hammocks down in the lower galley, to relax in when off duty.
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:53 am

The infamous business men special flights......steak dinners, cocktails, shaply F/As in their provactive uniforms, cigars.....all to make horny business men happy. The atmosphere sounds like an exclusive gentelmens club or a gay bar, depending upon how you look at it.

Have times changed.....NOW, your seat with 31 inches of pitch is uncomfortable, every seat on the airplane is occupado, there is no smoking, you pay for drinks, you eat your Subway sandwich that you bought on the way to the airport, and the F/A is a wonderful man or women who will show you pics of the eight grandchildren. Progress?
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
The infamous business men special flights......steak dinners, cocktails, shaply F/As in their provactive uniforms, cigars.....

But all of this was present in other flights that catered to both men and women. Actually women have been depicted as passengers in most airline advertisement since the 1930s. The reasoning behind excluding women passengers is really puzzling - unless more than what is published was happening in these flights..... covereyes   eyepopping 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:29 am

Ok, let the grayhair tell you about the Executive flight.
First MDW to LGA then after the jets arrived, ORD to EWR with a Caravelle.
The perks for an addition 3 or was it 5 bucks(i have UA scheds so I will look
up the exact premium tonight)you have a Men only flight, no women or kids or teens or infants. You got slippers, a great hot meal earmarked for First(the caravelle was all 64 seats F anyway) playboy mag was available along with sport mags, wall street journal, which was unheard of on planes and great service expected of First class of the 60's.
The flights left EWR and ORD apx 5pm.
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
Have times changed.....NOW, your seat with 31 inches of pitch is uncomfortable, every seat on the airplane is occupado, there is no smoking, you pay for drinks, you eat your Subway sandwich that you bought on the way to the airport, and the F/A is a wonderful man or women who will show you pics of the eight grandchildren. Progress?

True, very true.... frown 



Although I want to make clear that I am not critizicing the changes in commercial air travel over the last 40 years or have a desire to turn back the clock to the "good old days". I am just saying that it is a very pointed and accurate observation by Dutchjet.
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:58 am

Well I must say I n never stop learning new things about our industry.

I've been flying for 25 year and never heard of all-male flights.

Man alive, imagine trying to do something like that today.

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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 4):
He even said on the old DC-10s they used to sling up hammocks down in the lower galley, to relax in when off duty.

DC-10s have lower galleys?

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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.



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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:23 pm

Ah now this flights sound fantastic! Good food good reading material and nice curvey f/a's!
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 3):
At one point, United distributed vouchers for these men's wives to accompany them on trips. They read something like "A special invitation for wives whose huspands like to fly"

But was it really the wives who flew with them?  mischievous 
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 12):
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.

Interesting. I never knew that.

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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:47 am

From what I can recall from old timetables and OAG's, these men-only flights were only in the CHI-NYC and LAX-SFO markets, and just one or two each way departing in the neighborhood of 4pm - 6pm. With both of these being high frequency (even back then) there was a conventinoal flight within about an hour or so.

Still, quite a trip (in more than one way) if you think about it today...
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 12):



Quoting DAirbus (Reply 12):
Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.

The L-1011 has/had them as well.

I remember that on AA's DC-10s, the food trucks would load directly into the cargo area, not the main cabin floor.
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 4):

I used to work for Western...And on a HNL flight, a male FA I used to chat with at the airport took me downstairs to show me the galley...And on the way up, leaving the escalator, the senior FA saw me and gave me the dirtiest look. As an airplane nut, I could not pass up the offer.
Basically, both sides of the fusalage were lined with bins on top, a counter, and below are spaces for all the carts.
It must have been nice to work the galley down there, plenty of space to move around and set the carts up.
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting DAirbus (Reply 11):
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 11):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

Yes. I believe it was a customer option. I remember flying on a SPANTAX DC-10 JFK-MAD back in 1983/1985 and distinctly remember the elevators and cart lifts to the lower galley.

So did Western Airlines, according to Commando: Arnold "The Guv" Schwarzenneger escapes the 11hour flight to latin america via an elevator and into the wheel well.
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:47 am

Hmm .. all-male flights. Sounds kinda hot!

Great concept for an airline .. ..!
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 19):
Hmm .. all-male flights. Sounds kinda hot!

Great concept for an airline .. ..!

Lure....

I was waiting for you to make a comment concerning this thread, what took you so long? I am disappointed.

As for an all male airline......I cant wait to hear your suggestion for the the airline's name.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
The atmosphere sounds like an exclusive gentelmens club or a gay bar, depending upon how you look at it.
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
What was the logic behind offering a flight to male passengers only? It would seem to me this would be an unpopular idea in the US of the 60s.

What routes were these flights offered and did any other airline offer them?

I've searched the database and could not find a thread on the matter.

Although they were not marketed only to men, in the early 1960's Mohawk Airlines offered what they called 'Gaslight' flights. DC-3s were painted in a turn-of-the century 'Gay 90's' livery. The 'hostess' was dressed in a Klondike Gold Rush saloon girl outfit. On-board service included beer in big glass mugs, pretzles, cigars, etc. Everything short of sawdust on the floor!

These flights would certainly appeal to male passengers. At the time Mohawk was using DC-3s against more modern equipment flown by American and Eastern, their major competitors in the upstate New York-Northeastern US area.

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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 10):
DC-10s have lower galleys?

When I was a kid flying non-rev with my folks in the 1970s, a flight attendant once took my sister and I down the elevator to the lower galley. It was quite a treat.
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 19):
Hmm .. all-male flights



Quoting Nomadic (Reply 21):
'Gay 90's' livery.

Oh dear... what will they think of next?

Quoting AA2MM (Reply 17):
And on a HNL flight, a male FA I used to chat with at the airport took me downstairs to show me the galley

Sounds interesting, please tell us more......
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 19):
Hmm .. all-male flights. Sounds kinda hot!

Great concept for an airline .. ..!

LOL - oh the visual - the trouble the boys would get into!
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
Have times changed.....NOW, your seat with 31 inches of pitch is uncomfortable, every seat on the airplane is occupado, there is no smoking, you pay for drinks, you eat your Subway sandwich that you bought on the way to the airport, and the F/A is a wonderful man or women who will show you pics of the eight grandchildren. Progress?

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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 13):
Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 3):
At one point, United distributed vouchers for these men's wives to accompany them on trips. They read something like "A special invitation for wives whose huspands like to fly"

But was it really the wives who flew with them? mischievous

The [urban legend] has it that UA sent surveys to those who redeemed the vouchers asking for opinion on the flight. The most common answer - "what flight??".
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:56 am

Wow I have never ever heard of this!
Imagine trying to put a request for a service like this these days..........
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 8:21 am

In the early 60s I remember seeing a photo......

Modern Airways(lines?) was introducing a male passenger service for intra-Germany routes with Stewardesses wearing transparent blouses sans bra. At the time the U.S. had an airline named Modern that used CV990s. Whether this was the same company I don't know. I never heard much more of this particular scheme but always wondered about any legal hassles.

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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:49 am

Here's a couple of the print ads from the 1950's for United's "Men Only" flights.



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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:40 pm

The Executive Flights originally operated with DC-6B's, between LGA and CHI (MDW), and LAX and SFO. All departures were at 5:00pm daily except Saturday. The NY-CHI flights operated until late 1960 or early 1961, but were discontinued for a few months, until the introduction of the Caravelle VIR on July 14, 1961, between IDL (JFK) and ORD. The flights were switched to EWR a few months later. The LA-SF Executives also departed at 5pm from each departure point with a schedule of about 1:40 each way. A special Dinner was served on all flights. I have an 11/1/55 schedule showing all four flights, and they were still operating, all with DC-6B all first class equipment as of the 7/5/1960 schedule, the one that introduced the B-720-022, however as the DC-8 was introduced along with the 720, jet flights were scheduled at the same time, and the MDW-LGA flights were discontinued some time in the next year. The 7/1/61 schedule shows the Caravelle flight between ORD and IDL starting 7/14/61 but no DC-6B flights being discontinued or operating between 7/1/61 and 7/13/61. The same schedule shows the LAX-SFO flights still operating, but they were gone soon after, and never replaced, as the Caravelle only flew out to SFO for maintenance, as it was never scheduled west of Omaha. The Caravelle was a perfect jet to replace the DC-6B as it was configured with 16 rows of 2-2 first class seats. The DC-6B's were all first class as well with two lounges. One forward behind the cockpit with 8 seats facing each other in a separate compartment, and the then five or six seat circular lounge in the back. (I don't remember if it was five or six seats, although I probably sat back there over 50 times, but never on one of the Executive flights.) United never configured any other jet aircraft in an all first class layout.

Remember in the 50's and 60's, the executive suite was not open to women. There was no glass ceiling, but women were only hired for clerical work. And not that many businessmen flew either. The all male Executive Flights were an outgrowth of the men's smoking cars on deluxe trains. The Executives competed with the 20th Century on the New York Central, and the Pennsy's Broadway Limited. The Century was faster with its all water level route and departed from LaSalle Street Station in Chicago at 430pm and from New York's Grand Central Station at 600pm, arriving at 845a and 900a, respectively. The scions of Wall and LaSalle Street could either fly in the evening or take the train and arrive in the morning. The 20th Century was an All Pullman First Class train that only stopped at Englewood outside of Chicago for transfers to Western Railroads.

I moved to New York in January of 1962. By that time, all the Caravelles were being operated out of EWR, not IDL. Since a cab ride from EWR to midtown was a fortune, (about $14.00 vs. $4.00 from IDL) we didn't fly to EWR. My first Caravelle ride to EWR from ORD was the next year, the Sunday before the JFK assasination, but I was accompanied, and we took the bus to the West Side Terminal. I never flew the Executive, mostly because my dad, who was paying for the tickets for me to fly back to visit him in Illinois from NY, explained to me that the back of the airplane arrived at the same time the front did. The difference in the one way ORD-NYC fare between Y and F, was $43.70 vs. $54.30, and the executive was $3.00 over first class. (By 1961, there was no extra fare on the California Executive DC-6B flights).

Now for a funny story, told to me by a UA flight attendant in the late 60's. In the early 60's, UA, with drinks, served a snack of Macadamia Nuts in small round foil containers. One afternoon, after leaving the gate, a weather hold was put in place at EWR, so drinks and the macadamias were served. Back then there was no rule about tray tables and seat backs being in the upright and locked position, and there were no overhead storage bins, the racks were open, nor was there a rule about picking up glasses before takeoff. So after sitting on the ground for a while, the captain or 1st officer phoned back to tell the stews that they were ready to go. A rather new flight attendant then got on the intercom and made the following announcement to a plane full of males:

"Gentleman, the captain has informed me that the tower has cleared us for takeoff, so if you will make sure your seat belts are fastened, and hold your drinks in one hand, and YOUR NUTS in the other, we will be on our way to Chicago."
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:09 pm

Thanks for that info Milesrich, and Incitatus for starting the thread, this is a pretty interesting historical detail that probably very few of us ever knew existed. It makes sense, especially thinking about the equivalent train cars which are more widely known, but it's still not anything I'd have imagined.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 61):
hold your drinks in one hand, and YOUR NUTS in the other,

Hell, that's the way we all fly in C/F on UA these days anyway, except those adventurous souls who have one hand on their nuts and the other on their nuts and hope no one will notice.  Smile
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 60):
"Gentleman, the captain has informed me that the tower has cleared us for takeoff, so if you will make sure your seat belts are fastened, and hold your drinks in one hand, and YOUR NUTS in the other, we will be on our way to Chicago."

That's great stuff. Thanks for the background. My dad was a UA pilot beginning in 1967, and I remember the macadamian nuts in the foil bag on my trips to Hawaii in the early 1970s.
 
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 5):
steak dinners, cocktails, shaply F/As in their provactive uniforms, cigars.....all to make horny business men happy. The atmosphere sounds like an exclusive gentelmens club

An all male flight. Lots of Farts, drinking, and dirty jokes! what fun. A provocative FA too, even more fun!
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RE: All-male United Airlines Flights In The 60s

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:48 pm

Quoting PresRDC (Reply 16):
I remember that on AA's DC-10s, the food trucks would load directly into the cargo area, not the main cabin floor.

This is quite correct, all the galley provisions were pre-loaded into containers at the catering kitchen, then loaded onto the aircraft. The containers slid up a track right into the lower-lobe galley. Working down there was great! Never had to see any PAX accept when you went to your jumpseat for takeoff and landing  Smile

AA's 747's had 2 lower-lobe galleys, one down below between doors 2L/2R for F class and one down below between doors 4L/4R for Y class. Just a little lower-lobe galley trivia for you all  Smile

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