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TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:28 am

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I just bought this cool photo of a TWA 747. Does anyone know what plane this is? The tail number is visible, but I can't see it. Maybe someone has better vision than me (almost everyone should have better vision than me),There is a large number 5 over the 7th and 8th window, that should help.

You all were very helpful helping to ID a photo of a TWA 727-200 I bought at the same place last month. I saw this one at that time, but I didn't get it. I am back in STL and figured I would go and see if it was still there. This photo is stamped "photo by Boeing K17331".

Is that part of STL in the background? I am too young to remember what it looked like around the time this photo was taken.
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:36 am

Should be N93101, the first 747 built for TWA (although it wasn't delivered first) and number 5 off the production line. The photo looks like Boeing Field. You can see freeway signs for I-5 as it runs up the hill to the east of the airport.
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:40 am

My best guess is the 5 has something to do with the production line of the 747-100 at BFI. AS in the 5th 747 built.
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting Falstaff (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what plane this is? There is a large number 5 over the 7th and 8th window, that should help.



Quoting AC320tech (Reply 2):
My best guess is the 5 has something to do with the production line of the 747-100 at BFI. AS in the 5th 747 built.

Hi all!

Searching trough my papers, I've found as Asqx, AC320tech and I guessed that the first TWA B747-131 N93101 was MSN 19667 & LN 5. This is effectively the fifth B747 produced. TWA received it on August 18th, 1970, but the airplane took off for the very first time July 13th, 1969. the picture shows is at BFI.

Quoting Falstaff (Thread starter):
Is that part of STL in the background? I am too young to remember what it looked like around the time this photo was taken.

Was TWA so big at STL in 1970, or is it really connected with the Ozark merger ?

Cheers.
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:55 am

N93101 serial #19667. delivered 8.18.70 and sold to the Imperial Iranian Airforce in 1975. Could still be flying today since, I believe, the only TW owned 747s not scrapped are with Iran Air and the Iranian Airforce.
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting Falstaff (Thread starter):
TWA received it on August 18th, 1970, but the airplane took off for the very first time July 13th, 1969.

What did they do with it during all that time. If I remember right wasn't PanAm the first operator of the 747. How much earlier were the PanAm 747s built.
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 3):
AC320tech and I

You can call me Kevin.

[Edited 2006-08-03 00:05:22]
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 3):
Was TWA so big at STL in 1970, or is it really connected with the Ozark merger ?

Yes it was big.
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 5):
If I remember right wasn't PanAm the first operator of the 747. How much earlier were the PanAm 747s built.

You remember very well.  Smile

Here are the details of PA 25 first B747-121. Read as follow - MSN/LN REG First flight Delivery

19637/4 N731PA 10/05/1969 11/07/1970
19638/3 N732PA 10/07/1969 13/07/1970
19639/2 N747PA 11/04/1969 03/10/1970
19640/6 N733PA 24/10/1969 12/12/1969
19641/7 N734PA 31/10/1969 19/12/1969
19642/10 N735PA 22/12/1969 09/01/1970
19643/11 N736PA 24/12/1969 20/01/1970
19644/13 N737PA 09/01/1970 21/01/1970
19645/14 N738PA 19/01/1970 05/02/1970
19646/15 N739PA 25/01/1970 15/02/1970
19647/16 N740PA 31/01/1970 24/02/1970
19648/17 N741PA 13/02/1970 28/02/1970
19649/18 N742PA 18/02/1970 02/03/1970
19650/24 N743PA 11/03/1970 28/03/1970
19651/25 N744PA 03/03/1970 21/03/1970
19652/26 N748PA 15/03/1970 31/03/1970
19653/30 N749PA 21/03/1970 10/04/1970
19654/32 N750PA 01/04/1970 26/04/1970
19655/33 N751PA 06/04/1970 24/04/1970
19656/34 N752PA 10/04/1970 02/05/1970
19657/37 N753PA 15/04/1970 29/04/1970
19658/47 N754PA 15/05/1970 26/05/1970
19659/49 N755PA 21/05/1970 31/05/1970
19660/50 N770PA 21/05/1970 31/05/1970
19661/70 N771PA 24/07/1970 04/08/1970
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 3):
Was TWA so big at STL in 1970, or is it really connected with the Ozark merger ?

According to the September 1, 1970 TWA time table I have, ORD had the most weekday departures, with STL and LAX the next two in line.

City/Weekday departures
ORD / 106
STL / 78
LAX / 65
PIT / 55
MKC / 46
LGA / 41
SFO / 40
JFK / 34
PHL / 28
DAY / 26
IND / 25
CMH / 24
CVG / 21
LAS / 20
ABQ / 17
BOS / 17
DEN / 17
PHX / 17
EWR / 12
DCA / 12
OKC / 11
ICT / 10
SDF / 9
BWI / 8
TUL / 8
TUS / 7
IAD / 7
AMA / 6
CLE / 6
DTW / 6
BDL / 6
ATL / 4
MDT / 4
MIA / 4
BNA / 4
TPA / 4
MDW / 3
HNL / 2
OAK 2
 
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RE: TWA 747 ID Help?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:02 am

This is obviously a flight test aircraft, as shown by the two blanked out windows in FC and the trailing static source (aft of the USA flag) on the tail. N93101 was the only TWA flight test aircraft.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.