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Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:01 am


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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Thread starter):
Not a fleck of dirt on her!

I think the "fiery abyss" has just frozen over!
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:28 am

Well this should turn out to be a pretty effective self-plug...

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:54 am

I guess the Atlanta-CDG is the only run that is allowed to fly with clean aircraft. Because I have never been in a dirty one. The French may have their egregious faults, but in my humble opinion, Air France is not one of them.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:26 am

Maybe the plane is brand new.  Smile
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:36 am

AF has been paying attention to what we say about their planes on a.net

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:36 am

I think Iberia is cleaning theirs too! Sure it's epidemic...

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:43 am

Take a look at F-GSPD, used to be the dirtiest Air France plane in the fleet and now she's spotless and sporting the seahorses on her engines and KLM-Air France logo on her stern.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:48 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
Take a look at F-GSPD, used to be the dirtiest Air France plane in the fleet and now she's spotless and sporting the seahorses on her engines and KLM-Air France logo on her stern.

told ya...AF knows what's up, they've heard the rumors.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:52 pm

The wonders of what can be done in the PhotoShop! AF cleaning their aircraft is less likely than you winning the lottery jackpot this weekend!

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:04 pm

I remember I once saw a brown AF A300
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
Take a look at F-GSPD, used to be the dirtiest Air France plane in the fleet and now she's spotless and sporting the seahorses on her engines and KLM-Air France logo on her stern.

That's called a repaint, not a cleaning  Wink
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
Take a look at F-GSPD, used to be the dirtiest Air France plane in the fleet and now she's spotless and sporting the seahorses on her engines and KLM-Air France logo on her stern.

I you want the new stickers to...uh, stick, you better clean the surface first.
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:19 pm

Maybe it was raining when the pic was taken..LOL
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
Take a look at F-GSPD, used to be the dirtiest Air France plane in the fleet

'Cause the dirt and grime have moved on to F-GSPE and F-GSPF, two of the filthiest 777s I saw at CDG last week....
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting Bohica (Reply 4):
Maybe the plane is brand new.

Yep lol, must be  Smile

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:17 am

Say it ain't so! :P
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:26 am

Rain... In Dallas?

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:10 am

mmmm...if Air France wants to reduce cost by not cleaning their planes again sometime, they should make a new livery in brown colour....:p
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Airbus340 (Reply 18):
mmmm...if Air France wants to reduce cost by not cleaning their planes again sometime, they should make a new livery in brown colour....:p

Hmmm. I was just thinking the same, maybe a light brown to medium gray.....
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 7):
and sporting the seahorses on her engines and KLM-Air France logo on her stern.

Obviously that particular part of the fuselage had to be cleaned, or the sticker with the logo would not hold.

Or perhaps a D-check equals a good washing of the plane, maybe vacuuming the interior too..
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting Blast (Reply 20):
Or perhaps a D-check equals a good washing of the plane, maybe vacuuming the interior too..

While the outside of AF planes is in fact sometimes dirty (an airliners.net obsession), this is not the case of the inside, in my experience.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:59 am

Musta been a "D" check.....
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 4):
Maybe the plane is brand new.

Beat me to it.

I saw some really clean 777 in JFK last month but when I looked closer I saw the dark blue on the engine cone and realized these are new planes.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:43 am

AF Cargo bird, probably transporting the good stuff! The French can't send their Beaujolais Nouveau in a dirty 744  Smile

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting Spruit (Reply 24):
AF Cargo bird, probably transporting the good stuff! The French can't send their Beaujolais Nouveau in a dirty 744

Why would they send their wine from Dallas?
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 25):
Why would they send their wine from Dallas?

They wouldn't, but maybe it was leaving after delivering some!
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:05 am

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:03 am

http://myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00731626

I swear we taxied by this very bird in LAX on Wednesday. We were both shocked at how a relatively new aircraft could look so shabby - it definitely stuck out. Some things just seem wrong, I wanted to get and wash the poor thing myself.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:57 am

Could someone out here tell me the cost of cleaning the exterior of an aircraft?

How is Air France doing in terms of profitability, with their "dirty airplanes"? How does this compare with the profits of the airlines with clean airplanes? Does it make a difference? Dirty fuselage cause any airplane mishaps?

Could the daily utilization of AF airplanes be higher than other airlines?

so many questions so little time!

Seems this thread is tossed out here every few months and always about AF and their planes, seems there are quite a few other airlines out there that are guilty of the same thing.
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:09 am

In regards to cleaning, how long on average would it take to clean a widebody aircraft ? Maybe it's a case of AF not wanting their birds out of rotation for too long. I know at YSSY there are QF and BA aircraft being cleaned on a daily basis, two B744's, every day, without fail.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:15 am

I'd be willing to bet 5$ that once CDG is cleaned up so too will the AF birds be.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 27):
Oh I have some pics of those clean Air France Jets:

lol...those were awful, wish they didn't look so bad...gives AF a bad wrap
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 32):
I'd be willing to bet 5$ that once CDG is cleaned up so too will the AF birds be.

Allright. But I bet that CDG never never never will be cleaned up.

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:37 pm

Why?... Just tell me why! Why does a plane have to look like a french car?

It's because if it looked like a BMW, there would be always cops inside the plane to find the heroin.  Smile
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:42 pm

Ah. I see. Makes sense! LOL
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:32 pm

Do any other airlines have a similar set up that QF have at SYD, they clean the birds off in what can best be described as a large car port (a covered area with open sides)
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
Rain... In Dallas?

Stranger things have happened... It snows there once or twice a year...
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:00 am

weired topic.

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:14 am

AF are often clean now, it's IB I worry about...
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 39):
AF are often clean now, it's IB I worry about...

I think IB and AF should really change their schemes because they have
looked crap and dated for years now.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 11):
That's called a repaint, not a cleaning


He he I thought that too!  Smile

Quoting Paul777 (Reply 29):


How is Air France doing in terms of profitability, with their "dirty airplanes"? How does this compare with the profits of the airlines with clean airplanes? Does it make a difference? Dirty fuselage cause any airplane mishaps?

It increases friction with the air = slightly higher fuel burn. No danger for the aircraft as far as I can tell.

It is probably cost effective to keep aircraft clean.

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Tango29 (Reply 40):
I think IB and AF should really change their schemes because they have
looked crap and dated for years now.

This is probably what it is all about: Nasty Euro-white liveries and paintschemes that allow the tiniest speck of dirt to stand out and scream at you.

But then again, LH and SA aircraft are also white; why do their planes look ok?? How does that work?
 
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:06 pm

Quoting Blast (Reply 42):
But then again, LH and SA aircraft are also white; why do their planes look ok?? How does that work?

LH cleans their babies once a week...
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:25 pm

I was at LBA on Thursday and saw G-MIDX of Bmi, looking extremely grubby. From the caption on one of the photo's below, it seems I'm not the only one to hold that opinion of this aircraft!


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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Blast (Reply 42):
But then again, LH and SA aircraft are also white; why do their planes look ok?? How does that work?


Damn good question but LH falls into the crap/dated scheme, i think it has a
lot to do with tail colours as a good colorful tail design can take the boring
look from the body, it works well for emirates, SA, Qantas and a few others.
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:40 am

I'm curious. Does anyone think that the dirty planes scares any laypersons away frm AF, thinking (incorrectly) that they don't maintain their planes?
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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:50 am

AF are cleaning their AC . so once again, weired topic...

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RE: Air France Cleaning Their Planes?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:02 am

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