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BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:03 pm

Bloomberg is reporting that BA will probably report report profits of £125M ($235M) for the latest quarter, up 39% for a year earlier.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...l_en&refer=europe&sid=a2uj1vja5KrI

What the article goes onto mention is that investment in new "long-haul" aircraft will cost £1BN ($1.87BN) a year for the next 10 years. It also mentions their agreement with Boeing for 10 T7's between 2008-2010, which will become firm orders once their pension deficit is sorted, which should be soon.

So I guess the question is: Will they replace their 744's with 777/787's, or order some 748i's as well. Or go with the A380, seeing as T5 at LHR can accommodate almost anything?
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:10 pm

The B 747-400s will remain in service with BA for another 10 years according to Rod Eddington and Walsh.

What B 777 model will BA order? Will this include the B 777-200LR? The B 777-200LR will allow them to start services like LHR-MEL/LHR-SYD nonstop etc. Don't think this order will replace anything.

I suppose BA will order the B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s when it comes to replacement. Not sure about the A 380
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:15 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
What B 777 model will BA order? Will this include the B 777-200LR? The B 777-200LR will allow them to start services like LHR-MEL/LHR-SYD nonstop etc. Don't think this order will replace anything.

With QF repeatedly reaching the conclusion that they would not be able to economically operate the SYD-LHR route nonstop with the LR, I really don't see BA coming to any other conclusion... in other words, I doubt we'll be seeing LRs in BA livery - I don't think they have any route that needs it.

-300ERs, now that's another thing... those wouldn't surprise me at all...
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:16 pm

And BA is dropping the MEL/SYD route ....
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:27 pm

Ummm, BA dropped the MEL route already, but no plans of dropping the SYD. Where have you got your information from.

As stated in loads of threads about this. BA are not getting any new aircraft until A. T5 is operational and B. The pension is sorted out. So that's 2008 at the earliest
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:36 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
I suppose BA will order the B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s when it comes to replacement.

I think that's what BA plans on doing. i doubt you will ever see an A380 in BA colors.

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 4):
BA are not getting any new aircraft until A. T5 is operational and B. The pension is sorted out. So that's 2008 at the earliest

That's less than 18 months ahead, and I think the waiting list for any aircraft off the A or B production lines would be 3-4 years, so BA better reserve their places on the production lines soon.

Quoting Trekster (Reply 4):
BA dropped the MEL route already, but no plans of dropping the SYD.

LHR-MEL was dropped in March this year and is now operated for BA by QF under the JSA.

Despite BA stating that they have no plans to drop SYD, you must remember that Rod Eddington did say in a speech given at an airline executives' conference in the Far East a few years ago that BA would pull out of Australia when/if the JSA ended. The economics of the route must make it a poor yield - the aircraft sit on the ground at SYD for 12 hours before returning, otherwise it will arrive at LHR when it is closed. Therefore any aircraft flying the route can only do one rotation in 4 days, at fares that are not much higher than from LHR to the West Coast of USA, plus they need two separate crews for both the outward and the return legs. In the same period, aircraft can do four rotations to LAX or SFO. It does not take an accounting genius to work out which routes produce the better yields/profits. Eddington obviously felt some desire to keep BA flying to his homeland but Willy Wonka obviously does not plus he is far more mercenary than his predecessor.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
The B 747-400s will remain in service with BA for another 10 years according to Rod Eddington and Walsh.

Where is that from please? The oldest 747-400 at BA (G-BNLA) is already 17 years old... Surely BA will not keep it till it's 27! (that's my age, and I know how old it feels!!! :P)
 
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Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:18 pm

At the recent British Airways Annual General Meeting in London, both Chairman Martin Broughton and CEO Willie Walsh said definitively that no decisions on future aircraft will be made until the end of next year.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:46 pm

The weird thing about LHR T5 is that it's BAW's terminal, yet there are 4(?) stands that will accommodate the 380...
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:52 pm

I thought QF was operating into these stands that accommodate the A380 at T5?
I'd also like to see BA get some 777-300's. Anyone think this is a possibility?
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 10):
I'd also like to see BA get some 777-300's. Anyone think this is a possibility?

I bet £500 that BA will buy the 777-300!

I can see BA's fleet in 5-10 years time will be made up of:

- 747-400s fleet (All of the BNL* gone, CIV* remains)
- 777-200ER (same number as in today)
- 767-300ER (same number as in today, but 787s on order)
- 777-300ER x 10 (with many more on order)
- 777-200LR x 4 (maybe for a SYD direct run)
- 380-800 or -900 on order (10 or so)

That's my prediction, but for me, there is no doubt we will see the B773 in BA's colours soon! (check the profile, it's on there already! :P)

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:37 pm

I would like to see the 77W replace some of the lower 744's models, whereas the 748's replace the newer 744's.

I am not anti-airbus, I'm just desperate for a 747-8 PAX order  Sad

Is BA looking at the newer A350WXB, it sure would look sweet in BA colours?

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:43 pm

British Airways still has a few B757's left (I recently saw one descending into Nice on my recent trip to Southern France), some of them went to DHL. Those are leaving fairly soon. Don't forget that British Airways was the first airline to fly the 757 aircraft with Eastern back in 1983.

The 767-300's are to stay for a while. They could be replaced with 787's next decade.

There are no more 737's flying with BA within Europe, the few remaining 737's are flying with Comair in South Africa.

Yes I also think that a mix of B747-8's and B777LR's could replace in the long run the 747-400 fleet, which is the largest to this day among all major airlines of the world.

Within the UK and Europe, BA mainline will be flying only A319/320/321 aircraft. The oldest 10 A320's that were orgininally ordered by British Caledonian are leaving the fleet also. I doubt BA will order Airbus widebodies. The reason BA chose the A32X over the NG737 was delivery schedules and better deals from Airbus for narrowbodies. And I imagine that in the long run, Comain in South Africa will replace the 737-300/400's with A32X aircraft.

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:49 pm

On the short haul front. I had a conversation with a BA captain yesterday based at LGW. I asked if their would be any change with their based B737 and whether they would be changing to Airbus.

He replied that BA had no plans at the moment of disposing of their older B737's and no plans to order more airbus aircraft.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
Those are leaving fairly soon.

Nope - there are no plans to retire the remaining 13 757s at the moment.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
There are no more 737's flying with BA within Europe, the few remaining 737's are flying with Comair in South Africa.

I hope someone's told BA at LGW! Did 30 or so 737s evaporate overnight?
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:57 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
There are no more 737's flying with BA within Europe, the few remaining 737's are flying with Comair in South Africa.

I think you are wrong, for example today's MAD flights from LGW:


  • BA2464 - 733
  • BA2466 - 734
  • BA2470 - 733


BA still has 19 737-400's, 5 737-300's and 9 737-500's!

Quoting A340600MAN (Reply 14):
He replied that BA had no plans at the moment of disposing of their older B737's and no plans to order more airbus aircraft.

I've also heard the same, LGW isn't realy profitable for BA, so don't expect a rush for new a/c at LGW  Sad

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
Yes I also think that a mix of B747-8's and B777LR's could replace in the long run the 747-400 fleet, which is the largest to this day among all major airlines of the world.

I agree with the 748's, but how would BA use the 772LR? Why would it need the 772LR?

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 7):
Where is that from please? The oldest 747-400 at BA (G-BNLA) is already 17 years old... Surely BA will not keep it till it's 27! (that's my age, and I know how old it feels!!! :P)

Then why did BA operate some of their 741s for almost 30 years?
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
There are no more 737's flying with BA within Europe,

Oh but there are many!

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
British Airways still has a few B757's left (I recently saw one descending into Nice on my recent trip to Southern France), some of them went to DHL. Those are leaving fairly soon.

Not soon.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:17 pm

Yes I think you're right. There are still 737's based in LGW, I was thinking of LHR only. There are no more B737's based in LHR. Sorry folks, my mistake.

Quoting B742 (Reply 16):
but how would BA use the 772LR? Why would it need the 772LR?

Very long haul routes that do not require hi capacity.
For example LHR to some destinations in Australia or South America, or other destinations in Asia where market doesn't justify a need for high capacity aircraft on the routes. I imagine there are long haul routes at BA currently flown with the B747-400 where the yields/load factor are not that high.

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 1):
The B 747-400s will remain in service with BA for another 10 years according to Rod Eddington and Walsh.

What was the price of oil when they said that? As the price of fuel rises, so does the financial pressure to replace older aircraft with more efficient models.

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 7):
The oldest 747-400 at BA (G-BNLA) is already 17 years old... Surely BA will not keep it till it's 27!

My recollection is that EU rules don't allow them to operate any airframe more than 25 years old.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:26 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 19):

Very long haul routes that do not require hi capacity.
For example LHR to some destinations in Australia or South America, or other destinations in Asia where market doesn't justify a need for high capacity aircraft on the routes. I imagine there are long haul routes at BA currently flown with the B747-400 where the yields/load factor are not that high.

Then why not just fly the 772ER?

The world (excluding Australasia) can be reached by the 772ER, and a fully loaded 772LR would have problems reaching SYD from LHR both ways?

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Spencer (Reply 9):
The weird thing about LHR T5 is that it's BAW's terminal, yet there are 4(?) stands that will accommodate the 380...

Nothing weird about it. If you build a terminal to cater for the future, it is logical that the terminal should be able to accommodate aircraft planned for the future. It is better to have some stands able to accommodate the A380 than no stands at all, after all there is always the possibility that BA just might order the A380 in the future and also there might be some moving around of airlines at LHR in the future that ends up with other oneworld airlines using T5. You might even see a BA takeover of VS at a future date, which would bring the A380s into the BA fleet (assuming that VS does not cancel the order)!

Quoting A340600MAN (Reply 14):
He replied that BA had no plans at the moment of disposing of their older B737's and no plans to order more airbus aircraft

The rumour that I heard is that BA will not order any new aircraft until EuroGatwick starts showing some profits, so the 737s at LGW will soldier on for a few more years. They still have some year's usage left.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:41 pm

Just hoping BA will order those 747-8s!!!
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:13 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 22):
Nothing weird about it. If you build a terminal to cater for the future, it is logical that the terminal should be able to accommodate aircraft planned for the future. It is better to have some stands able to accommodate the A380 than no stands at all, after all there is always the possibility that BA just might order the A380 in the future and also there might be some moving around of airlines at LHR in the future that ends up with other oneworld airlines using T5. You might even see a BA takeover of VS at a future date, which would bring the A380s into the BA fleet (assuming that VS does not cancel the order)!

No, you're quite right, I was just saying it's weird T5 has the 380 stands, meaning it could be a sign they (BAW) will possibly consider the Whale at a later date?? Who knows?
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:20 pm

The 10 777s that are "on order" are likely to be 300ERs. It is also likely that they will be for fleet expansion rather than replacement.

As for replacement on the longhaul front the 767 fleet will be the first in need of replacement followed by the early 744 fleet. However don't expect either until well after 2010 at the earliest.

As for 772LR, the only reason that BA would operate them is if it could use them all year round at profitable loads on a route like London - Sydney. As it stands the aircraft can't do that at the moment so there will be no real reason for BA to buy it.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:34 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 25):
As for replacement on the longhaul front the 767 fleet will be the first in need of replacement followed by the early 744 fleet.

Seeing as how the B763ERs are in the process of receiving a retrofit, I would think that they are about to stay for another while.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 7):
Where is that from please? The oldest 747-400 at BA (G-BNLA) is already 17 years old... Surely BA will not keep it till it's 27! (that's my age, and I know how old it feels!!! :P)

They can. CX plans to keep its B 747-400s till they reach the age of 25.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:35 pm

BA is your classic, they have no intentions of getting the A380 even though they should be supporting Britains waining industries and if Blair has his way Airbus won't be British even in part. Why does Briatin keep supporting every one elses business interests but not their own.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 28):
BA is your classic, they have no intentions of getting the A380 even though they should be supporting Britains waining industries and if Blair has his way Airbus won't be British even in part. Why does Briatin keep supporting every one elses business interests but not their own.

On what fact do you base your comments?
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Spencer (Reply 24):
No, you're quite right, I was just saying it's weird T5 has the 380 stands, meaning it could be a sign they (BAW) will possibly consider the Whale at a later date?? Who knows?

Remember that T5 at LHR is owned and operated by BAA, not British Airways. BA is simply a BAA customer. BAA is the landlord, BA is the tenant. BAA want their facilities to be 'future-ready', which means facilities to handle the A380 and 787, along with other future developments.

If anyone is interested, BA signed the 'tenancy' agreement just last week, which means that it's now official that BA will be moving into T5. Kinda crazy that it's taken up until now.

Some other T5 progress - the BA lounges have been handed over to BA, for fitting-out. They cover a space equivalent to 2 football pitches. (In the UK, we measure in football pitches and bus lengths!!) Also, T5B is now completely built. Finally, the baggage system is up and running and handed-over to BA, and testing with real luggage has already started. It appears that good progress is being made!
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:15 am

My guess is the following:

The 767's and 757's will stay as they fill a niche area for certain routes. The 747's will no doubt be staying till a certain a/c can be found that meets their specs.

The 777's are Definitely staying as they are relatively young. BA does 773ER on order for delievery next year.

787's will be joining fleet in the next 5-7yrs. Maybe 783 for short euro shuttle runs.

The A320 series is their primary short to medium route a/c.

Conclusion:
Boeing: Long Haul- medium
Airbus: Short Haul

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 19):
There are still 737's based in LGW

Yup Ii've flown on 4 this week
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 6):

That's less than 18 months ahead, and I think the waiting list for any aircraft off the A or B production lines would be 3-4 years, so BA better reserve their places on the production lines soon.

That's what I've felt also, that although they won't be replacing aircraft tomorrow or the next day, if they are intent on replacing or expanding their existing fleet, then for them have guaranteed production slots and EIS dates, they would have to order pretty soon.

Unless they have already secured production slots but are waiting to actually announce a firm order.

Aren't those 767's crying out to be replaced with 787's in 2008?
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 8):
At the recent British Airways Annual General Meeting in London, both Chairman Martin Broughton and CEO Willie Walsh said definitively that no decisions on future aircraft will be made until the end of next year.

And in its 2005-06 Annual Report BA said that it planned to operate its aircraft for between 15 and 25 years. As long haul aircraft complete fewer rotations, it is a fair bet that the aircraft falling into the 25 year category are more likely to be 744s than 319s

Quoting Spencer (Reply 9):
The weird thing about LHR T5 is that it's BAW's terminal, yet there are 4(?) stands that will accommodate the 380...

T5 is BAA's and not BA's. BA are the immediate future tenants like they have been fotr T1 and T4 but nothing is for ever.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
British Airways still has a few B757's left (I recently saw one descending into Nice on my recent trip to Southern France), some of them went to DHL. Those are leaving fairly soon.

The future of the 13 aircraft in BA's 752 fleet has already been announced. From March 2008 they will operate on LHR to Spain and Italy routes out of T3.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
There are no more 737's flying with BA within Europe, the few remaining 737's are flying with Comair in South Africa.

As has been acknowledged above, the entire BA EuroGatwick fleet - apart from the occasional A319 rotating out of the LHR Main Fleet to LGW through MAN - comprises 737s. Recently BA extended the leases on its 733s and 735s and - having touched a couple of them up last year to keep them looking not that bad, BA have been repainting many of them at LHR this year which suggests they are looking to get at least a further 2-5 years use from them
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:11 am

I would think a mixed 777-300ER and 747-8I fleet would work for BA as they replace 747-400s. For those routes with lower overall traffic, the 777-300ER should be fine. And for those with higher, the 747-8I would be a logical upgrade.

The only way I'd see a 777-200LR enter the fleet is if there is an average of 150 First, Club World, and World Traveller Plus passengers on the current LHR-SYD (and defunt LHR-MEL) 747s. You should be able to get that many seats in a 772LR and if that fare mix makes the flight profitable (and I admit I have no clue if it would), BA could do it without stepping on QF's toes too hard, since your premium cabin folks are already flying BA over QF and you still leave the Economy pax for QF to make money on packing them in their A380s (in addition to their own First and Business Class passengers). That way, BA could still serve Australia and make money doing so.

BA's presence at LHR probably gives them enough slots to not need the A380 in the near term, but if that plane (or other members of her family) make sense for BA down the road, they'll be ready for them with T5.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 34):

IMHO, BA's livery is one of the few liveries that look good on almost any aircraft, but if I had to choose 1 aircraft on that list, I think the -300ER would be the one. Just looks sharp.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 37):
IMHO, BA's livery is one of the few liveries that look good on almost any aircraft, but if I had to choose 1 aircraft on that list, I think the -300ER would be the one. Just looks sharp

Out of the fake pictures there it is also the most likely one to come true.
The least would probably be the MD11 closely followed by the A340.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:51 am

Wow...that 747-8I colour scheme looks bad ass!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Tu114 (Reply 15):
Quoting American 767 (Reply 13):
There are no more 737's flying with BA within Europe, the few remaining 737's are flying with Comair in South Africa.

I hope someone's told BA at LGW! Did 30 or so 737s evaporate overnight?

I flew on one yesterday!!

I hope and think that BA will go with 748s and 787s and a few 777-300ERs to replace the smaller 747 routes.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 7):
Surely BA will not keep it till it's 27! (that's my age, and I know how old it feels!!! :P)

Don't feel bad - I'm 62 and feel like a poorly maintained DC-3.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 34):
Which one would you choose  

Either the 773 or preferably the 748 . Definetly not the whale or the a340.
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 34):

Which one would you choose

The 380 and T7 looks pretty cool in BA colors!
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 16):
I've also heard the same, LGW isn't realy profitable for BA, so don't expect a rush for new a/c at LGW

LGW is turning a profit now, just not enough to allow a fleet renewal.

I think with the service & staff cutbacks on short haul and flights under 90min combined with the mid fleet changes they may turn enough profit to replace the 737's.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:20 am

Anyone who actually works at BA, knows the notion that BA will not have A380, nor definately not any other current type, is nonsense.

Nothing ruled in or out, boring but true.

And last week it emerged that BA's pension defecit has worsened, a lot.

I'm afraid that many of the 'certainties' mentioned so far, including on types, on how old BA aircraft can be, are only certainties in the minds of those whom posted them.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 45):
And last week it emerged that BA's pension defecit has worsened, a lot.

I'm afraid that many of the 'certainties' mentioned so far, including on types, on how old BA aircraft can be, are only certainties in the minds of those whom posted them.

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according to Walsh, it will basically be the 777's..which I think will be the -300ER (just a guess)

"Walsh disagrees. "The average age is 10.5 years. The oldest 747 we have will be 17 years this year; the youngest one is 8 years. And our 777s [are] very young." He stresses that BA "is no hurry" to place an order for the 787 or A380. Earlier this year it took 10 options for 777s with deliveries after its move to T5.

Over the past couple of years capacity (ASKs) has grown by about 2.5%-3% annually. A similar growth level is scheduled for the current year, whereas FY08 will see a reduction in ASKs as BA reconfigures some of its 747s to install additional premium seats. "We believe it's the right thing to do because we see demand for premium product continuing. The options on the 777s will give us the choice to grow with about 3% per annum over that three-year period 2009-2011," Walsh notes."***

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:36 am

BA is pretty conservative.

Lets face it, it is highly unlikely BA will order the 747Adv/-8i as a launch customer. This aircraft has been pushed by Boeing for years now. Boeing is now redesigning it.

A more conservative approach following their competitors LH, AF, SQ, EK and VS seems likely. The A380 seems suited for BA´s worldwide hub to hub network, seating 420 to 560 passengers in various premium 4 class lay-outs or a few dozen more on a -900.

An improved Trent for the A350 seems sure. Combine this with a -900 airframe & we have a an impressive machine, without serious competition.

Maybe a mixed A380-800R/-900 fleet of 20-30 airframes in the next 15 years.

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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:36 am

AF/KLM, LH, SQ, QF, CX, EK, VS.......the list goes on and on. All have been ordering aircraft. Apart from CX, all have ordered the A380. And who is their biggest competitor?

Oh, step right up folks, into our wonderfully refurbished aircraft! Don't matter the VS plane is brand spanking new. Or the SQ one for that matter.

Come to think of it, all the above airlines must have pension plans too, no?

And yes, the above list are airlines that make profits, just like BA.
 
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RE: BA: Fleet Renewal Update

Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 47):
Lets face it, it is highly unlikely BA will order the 747Adv/-8i as a launch customer. This aircraft has been pushed by Boeing for years now. Boeing is now redesigning it.

Well the 748I is a more efficient and effective plane then the 747-X was, so that might improve it's standing with BA a bit. If BA is already struggling on the Kangaroo route, the A380 probably won't help them there, but it could help with service into JFK, ORD, and LAX (and maybe DFW) to link-up with AA's large domestic network. It should also help them with service to JNB and HKG and I am sure other destinations.

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 48):
Oh, step right up folks, into our wonderfully refurbished aircraft! Don't matter the VS plane is brand spanking new. Or the SQ one for that matter.

It's the inside that counts, though. If BA flies 744s and 772s with a better premium cabin product in terms of seating and IFE then VS and SQ do on their A380s because BA's equipment is circa-2008 where the other's are circa-2005 (or even 2004), premium cabin passengers with a choice are going to choose BA.  Smile