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Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:39 pm

Apparently, Virgin Nigeria was promised 7.5 years of exclusivity on the New York, London, Dubai, Jeddah and Johannesburg routes by the Nigerian government as an incentive to get the airline to start up with Virgin Atlantic's investment into it. But now, just recently, it was announced that Bellview, Arik Air and Aero Contractors were designated to certain routes, including those promised to Virgin Nigeria.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=54851
 
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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:56 pm

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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:02 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 1):
Apparently, Virgin Nigeria was promised 7.5 years of exclusivity on the New York, London, Dubai, Jeddah and Johannesburg routes by the Nigerian government

Why would they put a monopoly of 7 and a half yrs on one airline on such profitable routes. I dont understand whats wrong with politicians in Africa.
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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:11 pm

It seems as if these decisions are made to insure profits for airlines rather than provide the most options for passengers.

Wouldn't everyone benefit from open skies between Nigeria and the US, with anyone being able to serve the route?
 
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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:25 pm

Quoting Airtanzania1 (Reply 2):
Why would they put a monopoly of 7 and a half yrs on one airline on such profitable routes. I dont understand whats wrong with politicians in Africa.

Because they want it all. I now realise why the joint venture between SA and Nigeria Airways failed. BTW, this is not isolated to Africa - didn't AF and the Italian government threw their toys out of their playpens because of Easyjet??


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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:39 pm

At last Virgin is experiencing the politics of the air - Nigerian style.

Why do you think that BA and, before them, British Caledonian pulled out of, or cut back on services to/from Nigeria? Despite the UK-Nigeria route being very profitable for them, most of British Caledonian's revenue on this route was held in blocked Nigerian bank accounts and could never be accessed causing the cash flow problem that ended with BCal being merged with BA.
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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 4):

Spot on boet!

And on the SAA collapsed deal lets not forget the "rumoured" requirement that the NG Govt wanted 20% of SAA equity and a couple of seats on the board - hmm, now let me think about this ...... No!

Mind you, even if VK stays quiet, these other carriers need the aircraft and ensure that whatever they lay their hands on won't end up immediately on blacklist for safety reasons. Nigerian aviation has a way to go in this since the last 12 months have been torrid!.

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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:23 pm

Typically Nigerian style... Doing business in Africa takes 5 times longer than anywhere else.

Bellview ?? I've seen their aircraft (732) recently in BJL... in appalling condition.

VK is a unique opportunity of growth for Nigeria, and they will waste it you'll see.

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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 7):
Doing business in Africa takes 5 times longer than anywhere else.

I don't understand why people insist on making business so difficult. If you make it easier YOU'LL GET MORE BUSINESS. If places like Nigeria and Angola made it easier for airlines to fly there, MORE PEOPLE WOULD COME and then they could rob them, instead of the airlines.
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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
If you make it easier YOU'LL GET MORE BUSINESS

If I make it easier for you to do business, I may just work myself out of a job. Civil servant ranks are bloated. Make it easier and a large number of civil servants whose only purpose was to not make your life easier are suddently out of a job, and joining the ranks of the people who want to overthrow the guy who overthrew the previous guy, before the next (rigged, postponed) election, violently if need be, but for the common good...

And their main source of income (that would be you paying them to make it a little easier) is gone too.

Shame is, there are plenty of qualified people in Africa, from Africa, who will agree with you entirely, but they're not being listened to.

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RE: Virgin Nigeria May Protest Route Assignments

Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 5):
most of British Caledonian's revenue on this route was held in blocked Nigerian bank accounts and could never be accessed

That was way back under the military rule. Under the current regime, they are trying to make things easier and especially now that global banking is so much easier via the internet etc.

From what I understand of it, the routes being offered are not actually the routes that VK have the exclusive rights to anyway. They have the rights to the routes listed in the article, but the other airlines have been offered EWR as oposed to JFK and to a "small" airport outside London, which is most likely going to be STN or maybe LTN, and some other routes that I can't remember right now - oh maybe ATL and IAH were mentioned but I'm not 100% on that.

Also lets not p!$$ our pants just yet. Only Bellview has the a/c with the range to operate any of those routes, and they are unreliable and not exectly the safest airline in the skies, so I can't see the FAA allowing them in anytime soon. Arik have not even begun operations and are spending money like it's going out of fashion on their all singing all dancing HQ, and don't even have an a/c in country yet. Aerocontractors also do not have the a/c, so it is going to be some time before any of them are in a position to even operate those routes.

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