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757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:51 pm

Just a question, what will/is the 757 replacement aircraft? Isn't the aircraft (primarily the 200's) quite old, just a little younger then the 767-200? When will the replacement show up? 5, 10, 15 years?
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:55 pm

I believe the 737-900 is considered a "replacement" for the 757.

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:57 pm

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:57 pm

Someone will have to assist me with the specifics, but I believe one of the new 787 models is intended as a replacement for various 757's.

Understand that this is going to be a very difficult airplane to replace. CO is finding them to be the perfect airplane on flights from EWR to Europe that don't justify a 767 or larger, and HP knows them to be the one plane in their fleet that is rarely (if ever!) weight or capacity restricted at PHX or LAS in the summer.

Considering that HP is flying some models that are -25 originally built for Eastern Airlines (a launch customer), I think you're going to see 757's in schedules for a LONG time!!
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
Someone will have to assist me with the specifics, but I believe one of the new 787 models is intended as a replacement for various 757's.

FI is using the 787 as a replacement for their 757s.

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:20 pm

going off the boeing site the 37-900ER is 180 in 2 class the 787-8 is 210-250 and the 57-200 is 200 in 2 Class.

The 787 or the 37 don't seem to be perfect replacements. I suppose they could work but the 57 fits so nicely in between.

Also how can you replace the rocket of a 757 with a 737 stretch or a small 787, nothing will ever replace the 757 in my mind, it is one of a kind.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:34 pm

I expect the B737 replacement to also replace the B757.
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:49 pm

I love the 757 like a wife. Flying it hasn't gotten old after 9 years. I hope the replacement doesn't come soon. I hope that I can leave the 757 for the 787 someday. I hope to be one of the first on it.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:53 pm

737-1000 I'd imagine is the ideal replacement. ER version


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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:25 am

There will be nothing quite like the 757. So far I haven't heard anyone complain about the machine, whether it be pilots, passengers, MX, etc. Lots of power, huge wings, amazing capabilities.

It has been speculated that a replacement for the 752 will be part of Boeing's Y1 or 737RS project, which is likely to be their next project after the 787 hits the market. The Y1 will be an airframe that replaces anything from a 717 or 736 up to a 752, essentially a frame that can be stretched or shrunk to fit 100-200 seats. In order to pull this off, there will probably be more than one wing design as well as some FBW included. It is also believed that composite and bleedless engine technology (or whatever even newer stuff comes out in the days to follow) will be incorporated in the design.

It appears that Boeing is offering the 783 as a replacement for aircraft like the 753 and 762 (especially 762 non-ER). That is, a machine with high-density, medium range, just like the 753 and 762 non-ER (or even 763 non-ER). These machines were intended for runs that typically don't cross an ocean, like a US trans-con or intercity service in Japan. But, if it is plausible in the future, who knows, maybe they will offer a super-stretch Y1 which is similar to the 753, kind of like they did with the 752, that is if the frame could handle such as stretch...

The 739 is "sort-of" a replacement for the 752. It really competes more directly with an A321, which is somewhat smaller and does not have the legs that a 757 has. You are NOT going to get across the Atlantic in a 321 like you will in a 757. Even the 739ER is not quite a replacement for the 757, it is a bit smaller and has less range. You are not going to get across the Atlantic in one of those either with a decent payload. That's not to say it isn't a good aircraft, it just isn't a direct replacement.

It was once said on there that the best replacement for an old 752 is another 752. It's unfortunate they don't make them anymore, but let's see what new exciting technology Boeing has up their sleeves.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 8):
737-1000 I'd imagine is the ideal replacement. ER version

I don't think there will ever be an 737-1000
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:46 am

it's the 739/ER...

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:57 am

I think DL will hang onto their 752s for the foreseeable future. But the 739ER is the likely replacement for most carriers, even though DL will use a 738 where a 752 isn't available, except for SLC-Hawaii, where an ETOPs certified 752 is needed for SLC-KOA.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 9):
ven the 739ER is not quite a replacement for the 757, it is a bit smaller and has less range. You are not going to get across the Atlantic in one of those either with a decent payload. That's not to say it isn't a good aircraft, it just isn't a direct replacement.

Hmm... The 739ER and 321 can replace 95% of 757 flights, then. With much lower fuel burn.

The 757 is a neat Atlantic aircraft. But for USA domestic, the 757 has been outclassed in fuel efficiency. The 739ER and A321 are both superior aircraft inside the USA for nearly all missions...

The 757 is enjoying its last hurrah right now. A great plane.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 13):
The 757 is a neat Atlantic aircraft. But for USA domestic, the 757 has been outclassed in fuel efficiency. The 739ER and A321 are both superior aircraft inside the USA for nearly all missions...

If the A321 is such a superior aircraft for domestic ops then why doesn't any major carrier besides US have them ?
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 14):
If the A321 is such a superior aircraft for domestic ops then why doesn't any major carrier besides US have them ?

Probably because by the time the A321 came into service, everyone had 757s already.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 9):
There will be nothing quite like the 757. So far I haven't heard anyone complain about the machine, whether it be pilots, passengers, MX, etc. Lots of power, huge wings, amazing capabilities.

Amen to that! the 757 has to be my favorite aircraft (tied with the 772) I must say there is nothing like the 757 for getting pushed into your seat on take off!

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 9):
It has been speculated that a replacement for the 752 will be part of Boeing's Y1 or 737RS project, which is likely to be their next project after the 787 hits the market. The Y1 will be an airframe that replaces anything from a 717 or 736 up to a 752, essentially a frame that can be stretched or shrunk to fit 100-200 seats. In order to pull this off, there will probably be more than one wing design as well as some FBW included. It is also believed that composite and bleedless engine technology (or whatever even newer stuff comes out in the days to follow) will be incorporated in the design.

Where can I learn more about the Y1 program? Do you know when Boeing envisions this product to hit the market?

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:09 pm

If you really want a 757 replacement you can always opt for brand-new Tupolev 204/214's which can be fitted with the same RR engines as the 57 and looks almost identical.

There is even a 166 seat shrink (think 757-100) which can do some extremely long flights. I believe Vladvlostok Air flies it betwee that city and St. Petersburg which is 11 hours!

Unfortunately I don't see any Western airlines using them extensively until the Russians have a support/maintenence in place.
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:25 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 13):
The 739ER and A321 are both superior aircraft inside the USA for nearly all missions...

Hmmmmm.... some of the capabilities of the 757 may not be sufficiently appreciated. One capability is baggage/cargo lift, which the A321 and 738 (at least) don't have, particularly at the outer edges of their range. For example, Air Jamaica is wet-leasing North American Airlines 757-200s to fly some of their routes this summer. One thing that apparently enthused Air Jamaica folks was that they wouldn't have to leave all the baggage/cargo behind that they normally do when their A321s and A320s are plying those routes during busy summer periods. I have flown on US's A321s, and they are very nice planes that I'm sure most non-enthusiast passengers like very much, but I have to say that the 757 is just an E-Ticket ride. (One of the best for me was going DFW-FLL-PBI on DL years ago. I still remember the thrill-ride that was the FLL-PBI segment, late at night, on a virtually empty 757. Wow. About the most fun 15 minutes of flying I have ever done!)
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:10 pm

My guess is that there will be a new airplane along the lines of the 787 but a narrow body.....perhaps called the 797.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:03 pm

There is no B757 replacement, there are just current and future a/c which match some of its capabilities. Either they lack the range and or payload - B737-900 / ER, A321 , or they have too much range and payload - B767 A330.

Presently, the a/c is in a niche all by itself and will probably never be replaced. There is a market for it, will be fun to see what Airbus and Boeing do about it, my take is they will manufacture the market away, that is not produce any a/c in that niche. Customers will have to either decide on more pax, range and cargo, or less pax, more range, less cargo, then the terms of CASM and others come into play.
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 19):
Hmmmmm.... some of the capabilities of the 757 may not be sufficiently appreciated. One capability is baggage/cargo lift, which the A321 and 738 (at least) don't have, particularly at the outer edges of their range. For example, Air Jamaica is wet-leasing North American Airlines 757-200s to fly some of their routes this summer.

I hope Air Jamaica gets some 757 of their own when they get out of their current problems.
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 17):

Where can I learn more about the Y1 program? Do you know when Boeing envisions this product to hit the market?

Actually, it's commonly discussed in this forum if you search for "Y1" or "Yellowstone". Or, there are entries in Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Yellowstone

They don't really discuss a timeline and I can't find very solid information as far as a timeline of development for this project. There is absolutely nothing I can find on Boeing's website about Y1 or Yellowstone...
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:35 am

The 767 will not be a replacement simply because it will probably be canceled very soon. The 787-8 or 3 cannot be a replacement for the 757-200 because in max 2 class capacity it holds 330 pax while the 757-2 holds 200 pax in max 2 class arangement. For domestic ops we have the 737-9 and no replacement for intl ops probably because boeing doesn't consider it part of their international line as it is barely used by any airline besides Co for transcontinental ops.

Hopefully Boeing's Y1 replacement for the 752 will strongly resemble it with improved economics, interior, and range.
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:15 am

From the Boeing perspective, custoimers will be offered the 737-900ER or the 787-3 I'd say, depending on their need.

Airbus can only offer the A321. I think they need to look at a 787-3 competitor based around the A330 fuselage, but made using new composites akin to the A345XWB and in length, somewhere between the A310 and A300 with a larger sibling the length of the A332.

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:07 am

The replacement for the 757 is suppose to be the 787. A low to medium range one. Any thoughts on this?
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 18):
There is even a 166 seat shrink (think 757-100) which can do some extremely long flights. I believe Vladvlostok Air flies it betwee that city and St. Petersburg which is 11 hours!

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 13):
The 757 is a neat Atlantic aircraft.

Hmmm.. seems strange how times have changed. Just 5-7 years ago, nobody hardly went across the Atlantic in a 752. Then CO got started on it and seems everybody complained about how this narrowbody was making the trips, so cramped for space, isn't as comfortable as a 767, etc.etc.
Now everybody loves the idea(suddenly it wasn't as cramped) However some have said the 757 is on it's last leg/harah, is outdated and replaced by the NG's, etc. etc. 757's and NG's have to different rolls to fill. Let's see a NG or NGer do EWR-SCL or LIM nonstop in style and comfort...(well,maybe the new 737-700ER can make the trip but not in style & comfort)

The 757 is an aircraft that can fill almost every roll except the long hauls, period. It does it efficiently as well. CO discovered this and is making good/great use of the aircraft's capabilities to the max. No, the 739's nor 739ER's nor anything that is on the market nowdays will not replace the 757 in capability and even efficiency to a certain extent. The airframes will eventually tire out and that will be the dimise of it. Then we replace her.

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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:28 pm

Isn't that the purpose of the B737-900ER.
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:55 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
757-100????

The shortened Tupolev looks like a 757-200 shrink. I wonder if Boeing ever planned on a 757-100 or a 761 or 771. Both the 727 and 737 had 100 series.
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:41 am

Does Boeing still produce the 767-200ER?

Could this be considered an alternative to the B757-200, since the 757 isn't being produced anymore?
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:16 am

It'd be nice to see Airbus stretch the A321 a few meters and have a 322. Obviously a new wing would be needed which could also be used on a new long-range version of the 321.

I imagine their financial situation would prohibit such a move but I can see the market for such an aircraft as being huge and it would fill a big gap in the Airbus line-up which Boeing isn't filling either.

Any ideas on a suitable engine choice for this aircraft?
 
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RE: 757 Replacement?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29):
Isn't that the purpose of the B737-900ER.
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I guess that's the purpose/idea, yes but the two aircraft are not the same...the 757 is a "bigger, farther, faster, carry more load...type aircraft which was my point above...i.e. the 739ER will not be a "direct replacement aircraft for aircraft. Not that the 739ER can not be used in many of the 757 routes and segments. But the 739ER will not be used for transatlantic. It will not be used to make a typical EWR-LIM type route, nor other types routes. Yes it will do the trancons, high density routes, etc. etc.

I've flown on the 752 on a couple occasions that would have made the 739ER "shiver with fear" so to speak....Was loaded to max, heat/density altitude, and make an effortless takeoff and fly a 6.5 segment.

So yes and no to your assertion.

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