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The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:18 pm

Just in on www.airlinerlist.com - a brief note that Boeing 707 s/n 17696/29, ex-VH-EBA and HZ-123 (now VH-XBA), Qantas' first 707 (and also the first built707-100 short body), now stored at Southend, England, is to be flown to the Longreach museum in Australia late this year. This is good news for preservation. This plane, the same as John Travolta's jet N707JT (that one is the LAST built 707-100 short body), is very old and the first of a kind.

Now, could someone confirm this news? Is there any way of determining on which day the plane would be flying back? Could Prague be on the flightpath?
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:30 pm

QF Engineers ahve been at SEN for sometime now.

Not sure when they leaving though.

But I do know that they will need to fly to anothe UK airport for fuel, as they can't take alot and get airbourne from SEN.

Let's hope it operate's:
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LHR-SYD full passenger service.... rotfl  might be nicer the a 744.

I'd say they're gonna need a few fuel stops.


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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:35 pm

Sweet, will they park it alongside VH EBQ???
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:38 pm

I would imagine it will be alongside VH-EBQ. I think they're planning to or considering putting up a rain shield or something above the 707 at least.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:44 pm

Good news indeed. I wish there were other great, old aircraft like this that went to preservation here in the USA.
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
I wish there were other great, old aircraft like this that went to preservation here in the USA.

It's not quite the same vintage, but Delta donated the Spirit of Delta (a 767-200) to the Delta Heritage Museum ...

AFAIK, that would be the only 767, of any type, preserved in a museum.

The rest (those that have retired) have either become freighters, or beer cans.

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:24 am

Hi!

For me the most interesting fact about this is that one of the most rarest versions of the 707 ( the rarest for me is of course the 200 model ordered by Braniff...), the 138 already have two airplanes preserved!!!!
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:46 am

Speaking of 707 preservation (and rare 707 variants  Smile )...are there any Conway-powered variants preserved somewhere in the world?

Pardon my ignorance in this matter,

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:40 am

Hi!

Until recently there were 2 Boeing 707-400 preserved:

G-APFJ - 707-436 at Cosford


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I read that G-APFJ was going to be scrapped and only the cockpit section would remain! If that goes on only the german 707 will be fully preserved!
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:44 am

Very unfortunately, the Cosford 707-436 has been scrapped already (as has their Trident, the only really intact Trident 1C in existence, horrible).

Beside the Hamburg one, there is actually another 707-400 preserved at a German airport. It is an ex-El Al machine that was painted to look, I think, like Lufthansa's D-ABOC.

So the two German ones are the only intact, preserved 707-400s now. There is a derelict ex-British Airtours one somewhere in Africa, rotting in the open.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:35 pm

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:07 pm

Any ideas when this will fly from Southend ?
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:35 am

A 707 with a Caravelle behind in a recent pic? That is not possible! and in Alitalia titles no less.

That Hamburg 707 looks beautiful. Wow.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
Good news indeed. I wish there were other great, old aircraft like this that went to preservation here in the USA.

Here in the US the money instead would go to put more patrol around airpots to kick spotters out lol. Why preserve these things if they are illegal to watch? I'm surprised the Dash 80 escaped the boneyard!

Quoting Duke (Reply 9):
Very unfortunately, the Cosford 707-436 has been scrapped already (as has their Trident, the only really intact Trident 1C in existence, horrible).

And what the heck are they using the scrap metal for? With all the ugly military crap that is preserved today, why would't they want to preserve such historic machines?

If it was here in the US it would be understandable. They'd probably use the scrap metal to build NO PARKING! signs all around the airport, expecially in spots where one can relax and watch aircraft land.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:51 pm

Ive seen the 707 and Caravelle at Entebbe.... a guard said that Idi Amin's staff at some embassy tried to start an airline in Uganda with these aircraft.... can this be confirmed by anyone??
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:17 pm

Quoting Duke (Reply 3):
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:22 am

What happened to the 707-436 that was in the museum in downtown Philadelphia?
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:35 pm

The Philadelphia 707-436 has been scrapped. Here is someones comment from another forum, also in a discussion about the Qantas jet:

PaperTiger27th January 2006, 18:53
There used to be another ex BOAC/British Airtours -436 at a technical college in Philadelphia - does that still exist?That was 'PFN and it was scrapped in 1988 due to "lack of space".
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:49 pm

According to Jet Airliner Production List it was G-APFP in 10/1988, G-APFN was scrapped at Kingman in 7/1979.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:39 am

What really made me mad was when they scrapped the rare 720 (ex Belize Airways) @ Baker Aviation School right across Miami Intl. Airport  Smile
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 12):
I'm surprised the Dash 80 escaped the boneyard!

Boeing has a history of preserving its historic aircraft. MD and Lockheed much less so.

As for airliners, I'm not sure there's an actual airliner in a museum in this country other than Ship 102 @ Delta, and the various Concordes spread here and there.

Boeing's planes are all prototypes of some sort or another, and I'm not sure any have ever actually been "in-service" passenger aircraft.

(even Ship 102 has its own historic connections; in addition to being the employee-bought 767 for the airline, it was also part of the 767 flight testing; it first entered service - and is still listed on the FAA website - with an experimental certificate)

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:13 pm

Yeah, the Baker school's 720 being scrapped is a big pity. Except maybe for some derelict or training aircraft in Korea, or something similar, it was about the last intact representative of the original JT3C-powered, no-monopole antenna United Airlines batch of 720s (United was the first 720 customer). A real pity.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:36 pm

Litz,

At the Museum of Flight, there's an American 727-200 amongst the prototypes and the Concorde so at least one was in service in their collection.

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:09 pm

I have compiled an album of preserved civil airliners from around the world. I would welcome any suggestions for additions to the album or information about aircraft that have since been repainted or scrapped.

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:24 pm

How about the following;

Other Concordes, (Yovielton, East Fortune, Duxford, Filton etc)

Aircraft at the Science Museum in Wroughton, (Trident, Comet etc)

Other aircraft at Manchester, (Trident, DC10)

The Belfast at Southend

G-AVMO and G-APFJ at Cosford were scrapped this year. Now only nose sections at East Fortune

A great selection of pictures.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:02 pm

Hello Bennett123,

Thanks for the suggestions. I've added a few images to the album but not all of the ones you suggested if they were essentially duplicates of the types already in the album (i.e. the Concordes), just noses or sections of aircraft (the DC-10 at MAN), possibly going to re-enter service (the Belfast), or if the photos on a.net didn't really show the aircraft in full (the aircraft at Wroughton). When the MAN Trident and the Brooklands Concorde are fully repainted, I'll add them, along with the Qantas 707 that this thread is supposed to be about.

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:47 am

How about pictures from Monino.. the biggest and best air musuem in Russia... not one image.
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:12 am

Okay if I reminisce a little bit? The first 707 I ever saw was at dawn on Nov 1, 1959 at HNL and it was Qantas sitting in exactly that position (a.net pic) with the stairs pulled up. It was real purdy then and maybe still is.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:06 am

Anyone have any ideas when this move is immienent ?

This would be a great last chance to see a 707 fly in the UK
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:17 am

As for preserved 707s, what about the specially built 707 (VC-137B) that served as Air Force One, presently at the Museum of Science in Seattle?

And if you want to be a wise guy, you could say the USAF has a lot of well preserved older yet slimmer sisters to the 707s (i.e. KC-135s) that they still fly every day and will be flying till 2040 or so... Not to mention AWACS and other special-purpose KC-135 variants.
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 28):
As for preserved 707s, what about the specially built 707 (VC-137B) that served as Air Force One, presently at the Museum of Science in Seattle?

There is one in Dayton Ohio along with a bunch of other pervious Air Force Ones
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:05 am

In fact, there are three Air Force One 707 (VC-137)s of the USAF preserved. One is Eisenhower's 707-153B at the Museum of Flight (Science???) in Seattle, apparently referred to above, the first of a batch of 3. The other two are the two presidential 707-353Bs, one of which is the plane that brought John F. Kennedy to Dallas on the day he was assasinated. I'm not sure where it's preserved. The other is newer and is preserved in the Reagan Library.

In fact, a fair number of 707/720s are preserved worldwide in some capacity or another. I am however very happy about the Qantas plane coming home because it's the first of a kind (707-100 short body, limited edition that only Qantas ordered) and also something like the first jet registered in Australia.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting Duke (Reply 30):
In fact, there are three Air Force One 707 (VC-137)s of the USAF preserved. One is Eisenhower's 707-153B at the Museum of Flight (Science???) in Seattle, apparently referred to above, the first of a batch of 3.

The Museum of Flight, Seattle, does have a Kennedy-era 707 Air Force One (VC-137B): click here for details. It is on loan from the USAF Museum, Dayton.

Info from Wikipedia:

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Location of past planes that served as Air Force One

Aircraft which have formerly served as Air Force One are on display in the presidential hangar of the National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB near Dayton, Ohio (Sacred Cow, Independence, Columbine III, SAM 26000, and other smaller Presidential aircraft), as well as the Museum of Flight in Seattle, Washington (earlier VC-137B SAM 970).

The Boeing 707 that served as Air Force One during the 1980s (SAM 27000) is on display at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. The jet is part of a museum of presidential travel, located at this location. The Air Force One Pavilion was opened to the public on October 24, 2005.

A Douglas VC-118A Liftmaster used by John F. Kennedy is on display at the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson, Arizona.
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:04 pm

I checked my records this morning, the second of the three 707-153 Air Force Ones is also preserved, at the Pima Air Museum. That means 4 out of 5 707s used as Air Force Ones have been preserved. Not bad. (Note: the last of the three 707-153s was withdrawn from use and apparently dismantled. Not sure if the hull still survives).
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:19 pm

This morning I sat down and extracted the earliest 707s produced from my production list. Let's see their fates, by serial number (look at the number after the forward slash, that's the line number).

17586/1 (N708PA, first 707 produced, the Dash-80 prototype not being a real
707) WO 1965/09/17
17587/2 (N707PA, first 707 in Pan Am colors) BU MIA 1988/05
17588/3 WO 1963/12/08
17589/4 BU Taipei 1984/08
17590/5 BU Taipei 1984/08
17591/6 BU Taipei 1984/08
17628/7 WO 1979/08/19
17629/8 WO 1961/01/28
17630/9 BU 1977/10
17631/10 hull DMA 1990
17632/11 Lanarca 1985, BU
17633/12 WO 1962/03/01
17592/13 BU Boeing Field 1981/08
17634/14 BU AMA 1998/02
17635/15 hull @ DMA 1990/08, presumed BU
17636/16 BU AMA 1998/02, last seen 1999
17637/17 BU Bogota 1990
17658/18 BU SNN 1986/11
17659/19 part made a trainer
17593/20 BU Brussels 1983
17660/21 BU TLV 1977, made a trainer
17661/22 burned for movie Speed, BU
17662/23 BU Seattle 1981
17663/24 Derelict MHV, BU 2000/11
17609/25 WO 1965/07/01
17638/26 BU Baranquilla 1990
17664/27 BU TLV 1977 (part trainer?)
17665/28 BU Brussels 1987
17696/29 Qantas VH-EBA, the aircraft we are talking about, to be flown to
Australia and preserved

So as you can see, the aircraft this post is about is not only the first Qantas 707 and the oldest airworthy 707, it's also apparently the oldest surviving completely intact aircraft (don't know what, if anything, of ship 10 remains, and of the several TLV trainer). Quite the plane.

When it's preserved, the next oldest airworthy 707 might be another -138B, the Congo government's 17702/64. However, it is not clear what the status of this plane is. The next one up would be the IAF's 17625/99.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:04 pm

An update from www.airlinerlist.com - the latest news is that VH-XBA should fly to Seattle in October. It should be re-painted and further serviced, and late in the year fly to Longreach. Good to see things moving along.
 
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:16 pm

Technically, all of the USAF VC-137s remain Property of the USAF regardless of their present location unless the service deaccessions the aircraft. To my knowledge, only one Presidential transport has ever been deaccessioned and that was one of the Eisenhower C-121s.
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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 8):
Hi!

Until recently there were 2 Boeing 707-400 preserved:

G-APFJ - 707-436 at Cosford



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D-ABOD - 707-430 at Hamburg



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I read that G-APFJ was going to be scrapped and only the cockpit section would remain! If that goes on only the german 707 will be fully preserved!
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There is one more parked in TXL, Berlin (IIRC it used to be 4X-ATB). It was originally owned by El Al, then Arkia. Later it was bought up by Boeing for the KC-135 programme, but repainted into 1960s LH colours and given to the city of Berlin in 1987 for the city's 750 year anniversary. It used to be parked outside TXL, where it was exposed to vandalism. The owner, the Berlin Technological Museum, considered the upkeep to expensive and gave it to the Berlin airport company as fire trainer.
This plane is the only one, which survived the Fatah hijackings of 1970, in which a PA 747, a TWA 707, a Swissair DC-8 and a BOAC VC-10 were blown up.

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RE: The First Qantas 707 Coming Home

Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:02 pm

Hmm, wonder in what condition the Berlin plane is. It's a pity if it will not survive intact.

Here is a fresh picture of -XBA apparently in the process of being prepared.

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