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Have You Experienced Ssss?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:26 pm

Who here has experienced SSSS security courtesy of TSA? I experienced it in May on UA when they SSSS'ed me 3 times out of a possible 4 on a trip from LHR-ORD-IAH-ORD-IAH. The last sector was the only exception.

I hate the SSSS. What about you guys?
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:35 pm

I get it from time to time because I have an unusual first name. Since most of my flying is out of DCA I take it as a cost of flying.. There have been times in other airports - ATL for example - where having the SSSS is actually a good thing.. you get the secondary line and generally after getting searched you're out and on the train before the people you're travelling with that didn't get it. Big grin

I usually just sit back and let them do what they have to do.. the more you get angry about it, the more intense the search and the longer the time it takes to get through.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:21 pm

I don't understand the big deal about it. So you get a secondary screening. They're usually courteous about it, and you go on. It's nothing like having to go down to a room off the tarmac where all your checked bags are opened and inspected before loading, like we used to have to do in the 80's prior to flying to the U.S. from some airports in Europe.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 1):
after getting searched you're out and on the train before the people you're travelling with that didn't get it.

Yes! You go to the head of the line! I love it at crowded airports with long lines to the screeners: ATL, LAS. Sometimes I wish I could volunteer.

You usually get it if you are going one-way with a last minute purchase, which I do from time to time.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:13 am

I've gotten it when my flight was connecting to TLV. Not a big deal.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:14 am

I did at ORD when i bought an Zed fare on AA back in July.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:06 am

I get it frequently when I'm traveling odd routings to and from South America. Can't understand why that is.  Wink
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:34 am

My mom got SSSS when we were flying out of BCN. For some odd reason, she didn't get an extra check...  Confused I was very confused, but I wasn't about to remind security.  Wink
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:54 am

At LGA once I forgot my ID (drivers license) before a UA flight to IAD.

I went back to the counter to ask what to do since the flight was about to board. The cs agent just took my boarding pass and swapped for one with SSSS and I got the full monty. Somebody owes me a dinner.

Perhaps since I didn't have any checked luggage?
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:58 am

Yes - all AA's fault, because I'd volunteered to offload the night before, they'd rebooked me on the flight the next night, but of course as a last minute booking the system automatically flags up SSSS - stupid crap system. The old "last minute booking, paid with cash, one-way" bollocks is so last week. Any terrorist with half a brain cell would have figured that out years ago.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
Yes - all AA's fault, because I'd volunteered to offload the night before, they'd rebooked me on the flight the next night, but of course as a last minute booking the system automatically flags up SSSS - stupid crap system. The old "last minute booking, paid with cash, one-way" bollocks is so last week. Any terrorist with half a brain cell would have figured that out years ago.

They were just doing that to get a reason to ask you out to dinner  Wink

In all seriousness it's not just AA here in the US.. it's pretty much everybody. The selection criteria doesn't fully reside with the GDS.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:05 am

I used to get the SSSS all the time before I hit Preferred on US Airways, but now that I have Preferred status, I never get hit with the Super Stupid Security Screening.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:08 am

I experienced it at SAN when I purchased a last-minute one-way trip to PHX (to join up with a friend with whom I would drive back) and showed up with no luggage (it was with my friend).

I saw the SSSS and realized there was nothing I could do about...I relaxed, smiled, and did whatever I could to be pleasant.

They gave me the extra screening, were curteous and efficient, and then I was on my way.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:45 am

Get this...I am going MKE>TPA last winter at the last minute via YX. Got the SSSS. But it was the day all the MD-80s were grounded because they forgot to inspect the cockpit seats. Flight cancelled,

I get re-routed on AA and get another SSSS. So I head out of D concourse headed for C. When I get to the gate that flight is cancelled because of the weather.

I'm headed out to my car and all of a sudden I think, what about FL. So, I troop over to the FL counter. Ask the guy if there is room on the next flight. He says yes, I transfer the AA tickeet to FL and get the SSSS again. Now it is off to E where I catch my plane and end up in TPA about midnight.

All told three SSSS in about an hours time...and the bonus of having one each for every concourse at Mitchell. Gotta be a record.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Cabso1 (Thread starter):
Have You Experienced SSSS?

Past the security check point, even  Smile

Flying CLT-YYZ in June, I (along with the TSA folks at CLT) apparently mistook my coupon as a valid boarding pass. Something just made me check while I was sitting in the US Air lounge and went to the desk just to make sure. Sure enough, it wasn't and the fun string of four letters ended up on my boarding pass (since I was checking in less than an hour before the flight).
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:52 am

Most of the time I fly its last minute or 1 to 2 days before my flight that I book. No matter which airline I choose I never get the SSSS except for WN. So for me its on WN if I book online within 48 hours of leaving.

Are there some airlines that report bookings better than others or is all of this coincidence?
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:21 am

I had a MFE-DFW-ATL connection (gee, guess the airline?) that got seriously screwed by a very late MFE departure. And I wasn't the only one ... let's just say not many people fly MFE-DFW to go to Dallas.

We were met at the gate in Dallas by agents armed with sheafs of boarding passes for all our new flights.

136 passengers.
136 new boarding passes
136 passes all marked SSSS

 Smile

Thankfully we were all already inside the security zone ...  Smile

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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:02 am

I got it each time in the USA when I got on an aeroplane - except when transiting at DEN and ORD. Do certain destinations flag you for a SSSS? - I was heading to the Middle East. At LAX it was quite humiliating - they made me take off my belt and my trousers nearly fell down, and so on! At LNK they started unpacking my bag. By DFW I'd found out it can be done in private, and the agents there agreed readily when I asked for that. It was pretty horrible.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:19 am

Here's a dumb question. Do boarding passes printed either from kiosks or home computers have a place for SSSS?

When I go to the ticket counter, my boarding pass usually has a CLR or CLRD printed on it. When I print a boarding pass from the kiosk or my home computer, there is no notation for CLR/CLRD/SSSS.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:30 am

I've had it about 8 times, including on the 2nd flight of a connection, which I thought was weird. No big deal. And, you get a free massage from the agent!
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:00 am

Heh, I got it at GGG. There couldn't have been 20 people on that little Saab for the hop to DFW. I'm sure there are loads of terrorists that go SAT-DFW-GGG-DFW-(Midland/Odessa, TX I've blanked on its code)-DFW-SAT in just under a week.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:11 am

The only times that I have gotten it was when I went "standby" with a ticket that a pilot of AS gave me. there was heaps of space on the plane so they just put me on it with out the whoel standby mess, but because I had payed at the airport last minute I got the SSSS, they say its normally from people that by at the airport last minute I got the SSSS. people who pay with cash, or by tickets at the airport last minute and some times one way usually get flagged.

anyways its no fun, but as long as you'r not late and aren't packin' anything you should be fiune Wink
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting NZ8800 (Reply 17):
I was heading to the Middle East

That will get it done a lot.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 18):
Here's a dumb question. Do boarding passes printed either from kiosks or home computers have a place for SSSS?

Yes. Big and bold!
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:56 am

I got an SSSS when I flew to MCO from LHR (via IAD) on UA a couple of years ago.....



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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:37 am

I recieved it when I took a bump off AA and was rebooked onto Delta. Unfortuantely, none of the gates at ORD were manned so I had to exit security to be helped. Therefore, I received the ten minute scrutiny when I recleared security. Strange the way the system works, he must be a threat because he helped out AA when they were oversold.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:42 am

I actually thing its pretty cool sometimes to get s.s.s.s when they put you in that container that blows bursts of compressed air on you to detect explosives...
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 11):
Super Stupid Security Screening.

Did you come up with that all yourself?

Quoting SlimChance (Reply 20):
I'm sure there are loads of terrorists that go SAT-DFW-GGG-DFW-(Midland/Odessa, TX I've blanked on its code)-DFW-SAT in just under a week.

Sad thing that sometimes you just don't know who is around you and what they are doing or thinking about.

I'm glad to hear most of the responses here are positive. I think it shows that more of the public is starting to accept that it is how it is. Its not going away. I used to work TSA as well as before private security. Also with Skyway airlines. So everytime I flew almost I too would have the *ssss* boarding passes and had the extra security. So I've been on both sides of that fence. It's not that bad unless you do happen to get and inept or rude screener, which I won't say doesn't happen. Just as every job there are idiots and rude folks that slip in.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 26):
I'm glad to hear most of the responses here are positive. I think it shows that more of the public is starting to accept that it is how it is. Its not going away. I used to work TSA as well as before private security

Then you know that all this is mostly for show. There is nothing to stop those that attacked us on 9/11 from going through security the way they did then. It is a false sense of security.

The only true sense of security I have is the knowledge that we will not sit there and let it happen like 9/11. We will get up and take back the airplane or die trying.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 18):
Do boarding passes printed either from kiosks or home computers have a place for SSSS?

If your selected for SSSS, you can't print your BP at home. You need to wait until you get to the airport to check in.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:59 am

You are correct. My bad.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:13 am

I experienced it last year at GSO. I was originally on a United Express flight for IAD connecting to ORD, but because of very bad weather in the Washington area causing cancellations and bad delays I and some other passengers were put on a non-stop to ORD (it arrived late, otherwise I would have spent the night in Greensboro). Several of us originally on the IAD flight experienced extra screening.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 26):
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 11):
Super Stupid Security Screening.

Did you come up with that all yourself?

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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:42 am

Yes, typically when buying tickets for travel on the same day.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 27):
The only true sense of security I have is the knowledge that we will not sit there and let it happen like 9/11. We will get up and take back the airplane or die trying.

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Now that I think about it in the context of this thread, the actions of the pax on that UA flight when they stormed the flight deck probably did more to promote the safety and security of the flying public than all of the TSA screenings combined (since then or in the future). Now that it is known that pax will "get up and take back the airplane or die trying" and that the pax WILL succeed in their mission and therefore such hijackers will almost certainly fail on their mission, there is not much to be gained by terrorists using this strategy again.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:52 am

I got it once on WN about 6 months ago...probably cause it was a one way ticket to BWI purchased less than 24 hours before the flight...

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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:11 pm

My wife and I got SSSSed at ORD last September. Our flight from WAW (big surprise) was late and we got rebooked on last AA flight to PIT. To top it off we were the only ones at check point anyway.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:17 pm

I've only been SSSSed on domestic flights. Not one international flight. I don't care too much, though, because I always show up at the terminal early, esp. for long haul trips.

Honestly, I wish they'd SSSS everybody.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:10 pm

SSSS is profiling and profiling is wrong, just like the cops who target drivers who drive on sidewalks.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:18 pm

So what does/can an SSSS entail?
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:22 pm

I had an asshole UA agent named Larry Bolton in PDX write on SSSS when I snapped at him for yelling at me. I guess that was his way of getting even, though I was completely justified at telling him off. You simply don't yell at a customer.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Kdtwflyer (Reply 38):
So what does/can an SSSS entail?

When Cesar Millan does it, it makes you calm and submissive. Big grin
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
It's nothing like having to go down to a room off the tarmac where all your checked bags are opened and inspected before loading

I had to do that when I flew GIG-JFK in 2004 on AA. They said it was "optional", but what they really meant was "do it here because if you need to do this at JFK it'll be worse".
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Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:05 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
like we used to have to do in the 80's prior to flying to the U.S. from some airports in Europe.

I remember while frying from lebanon into europe during the civil war, the aircraft would sometimes be surrounded by machine gun armed sorliders.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:00 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 9):
Yes - all AA's fault, because I'd volunteered to offload the night before, they'd rebooked me on the flight the next night, but of course as a last minute booking the system automatically flags up SSSS - stupid crap system.

Getting SSSS on involuntary rebookings is asinine. It's happened to me too, and I just wonder why. My flight to CLT went m/x, so I must be a terrorist. Great reasoning. The funny thing is that the few times when I've had the DL cancellations about 2 days before and called them up and asked for a different flight than what they rebooked me on, I have not gotten it.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:00 pm

sorry for my ignorance...but what is SSSS

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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:44 pm

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 7):
My mom got SSSS when we were flying out of BCN. For some odd reason, she didn't get an extra check... Confused I was very confused, but I wasn't about to remind security. Wink

SSSS is a TSA procedure, and since the TSA doesn't handle security in BCN, the SSSS marking was pointless.

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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:25 pm

Been there, done that.
When the security staff is friendly it doesn't bother me too much, otherwise it's a real pain...
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 10):
They were just doing that to get a reason to ask you out to dinner

I'd have said yes ! Hell, I don't even mind if they still want to do the beating with rubber hoses, I have very low morals.

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 10):
In all seriousness it's not just AA here in the US.. it's pretty much everybody. The selection criteria doesn't fully reside with the GDS.

I know it's not AA, but behind it all is a VERY stupidly designed system that is targetting the wrong people, with such pathetically obvious, tired and pointless criteria than the entire world knows what they are. If I'd paid cash for my ticket at Abdul's House of APEX in Aleppo, and was travelling on a forged Libyan passport, I would understand if I'd got stopped, but seriously - do they not take into account anything like past travel, nationality, etc ? I mean, how likely is it that I would be a threat to any flight ? Getting people on planes is how I make my living.
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 39):
I had an asshole UA agent named Larry Bolton in PDX write on SSSS when I snapped at him for yelling at me. I guess that was his way of getting even, though I was completely justified at telling him off. You simply don't yell at a customer.

Sure you can... treat us like shit, we will treat you like one as well.
 
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RE: Have You Experienced Ssss?

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting AIR757200 (Reply 48):
Sure you can... treat us like shit, we will treat you like one as well.

That, right there, is all you ever need to know about legacy carrier customer service in the U.S. - nice and concise.  Smile
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