HnlBoi
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Boarding Door

Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:58 am

This may sound strange but, who determines which door will be used for boarding? either the first door in F class or sometimes the 2nd door in Y. Ive come to notice that different cities and certain airlines use specific doors.to board. Example 2 weeks ago on my DL flight from HNL-SFO we used the door 2 to board. When we got into SFO we deplaned off at the 1st door. On the departure flight we boarded from the 2nd door. To me if I was a First Class passenger I wouldnt want a stream of people coming through. Some peace and quite would be nice b4 the flight.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:16 am

Well, the preferred BA way on widebodies is disembarkation from Door 1, and embarkation from Door 2. Where possible, the airport will move the jetbridge.

Why?

So First can get off first on arrival and so that the entire passenger load doesn't walk through first on their way to their cabin.

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RE: Boarding Door

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:21 am

The door used for boarding is determined by the configuration of the terminal building itself, the jetway, and the markings at each individual gate. We prefer to use the 2L door if at all possible for boarding on 757/764/777 because it greatly reduces traffic around the cockpit during preflight phases, as well as provides extra convenience for customers and crew in the premium cabin.

Usually we don't even know which door will be used until we are on the stand and see which door the jetway driver rolls up to. We have a pretty good idea of what gets used, but sometimes there are surprises. Normally the flight attendants assigned to 1L and 2L will communicate via interphone to see which door, or both, will be docked for that particular flight.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 1):
So First can get off first on arrival and so that the entire passenger load doesn't walk through first

Good Idea. On US I board the 757 at the L2 door and exit at the L2 door. I've seen the L1 door used twice. I fly US 3-4 times a year and thats weird. But ground ops usualy is in control. so my opinion doesnt matter.

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RE: Boarding Door

Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:14 am

Sometime depends on airline preference (I've always seen AA 757s board through 1L), but I would guess is the biggest thing is the ability of the gate. For example, while DL boards 757s through 2L over 90% of the time, I believe there are some gates on the B concourse that can only have 757s board through 1L. For the most part though, I would think airlines prefer 2L, as it allows a better pre-flight beverage service (AA is a little hit-or-miss on domestic flights, so not as big of a deal boarding 1L) and keeps the front cabin a little quieter. Personally though, I don't mind them boarding 1L...when in F, I'll board when it's called so I'm not getting bogged down putting my bag in the overhead, and flight attendants have always just asked the next group of passengers going to coach to wait at the door for a second so they could serve the F cabin. Personally, I prefer deplaning from 1L, as it's quicker that way for F passengers to get off first.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
Sometime depends on airline preference

Or on the aircraft itself. Douglas TriJets have a very particular characteristic when it comes to the doors. The L1 door is narrower than the L2 and thus the L1 is more likely used for boarding by the crew at a remote ramp than at the gate. I remember when I flew on LT's MD-11, boarding was always through the L2. I don't remember my DC-10 flight with KL though, but I probably boarded through the L2 as well.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:58 am

Is the upper deck door of the B747 ever used to board and to deplane off?
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 6):
Is the upper deck door of the B747 ever used to board and to deplane off?

Unless in an emergency, no.
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 6):
Is the upper deck door of the B747 ever used to board and to deplane off?

It cannot be used because the evac slide blocks the entrance (when disarmed):

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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:00 am

One thing I am curious. I was on a AA flight at NRT. There are two jetbridge available at terminal 1, but only one (the second one for 2L) is used while the other just sit there not connected. Is that just special for AA or they just want to make it standard as ORD (where I departed) only has one jetbridge? Because I saw other airlines, e.g. CX using both just right next to the AA plane.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:13 am

There are a lot of variables in door use...some dicated by time and some by cost.

Preferred is 2L on departure...far bigger area to work pax thru...and 1L on arrival so F deplanes first for single jetway operations. However...that involves locking up 1L after deplane and guideman to 2L during servicing for boarding which can delay a quick turn.

Dual jetways are great but require 2 agents when costs only allow 1 agent if there is sufficent ground time. Also at airports where the facility is owned by the airport there could be a cost for use of the second jetway as well. Remember the 763 comes in two variants...some with 2 doors ahead of the wing and some with 1.

Finally gate config may require a single jetway only is installed and that it can only reach 1L or 2L.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting SafetyDude (Reply 8):
It cannot be used because the evac slide blocks the entrance (when disarmed)

Plus the way the Upper Deck door opens makes it one hell of an inconvenience for the passengers to go through. The picture you linked shows it perfectly.

And I wonder why nobody has mentioned overwing jetways yet. At least in Schiphol they're used.

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On a KL 747, you'd be boarding/deboarding through the L2 and L4 door, if the overwing bridge is used. It requires a specially trained crew because of the danger of damage to the wing if not properly operated.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 1):
Well, the preferred BA way on widebodies is disembarkation from Door 1, and embarkation from Door 2. Where possible, the airport will move the jetbridge.

Why?

So First can get off first on arrival and so that the entire passenger load doesn't walk through first on their way to their cabin.

Unless its the J/W/Y 777s when Door 2 is used both times (at least it was when I was on one).
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 1):
Well, the preferred BA way on widebodies is disembarkation from Door 1, and embarkation from Door 2. Where possible, the airport will move the jetbridge.

Why?

So First can get off first on arrival and so that the entire passenger load doesn't walk through first on their way to their cabin.

Not always and I guess it might depend on the aircraft and the gate. I flew IAD-LHR-IAD in BA in F a couple of weeks ago and for some odd reason boarding on IAD-LHR was done through 1L which meant every single passenger trapsed through the F cabin, probably ruining the blue carpet in the process  Wink It did make the pre-flight service tough for the FAs.

Usually when it comes to leaving the aircraft it is done through door 2 on the 777 with the Club World passengers being held back for First passengers to get off first. The same procedure goes for the 747 but of course with 1L, although on occassion it has been through 2L and so the CW passengers get off first.
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 13):
I flew IAD-LHR-IAD in BA in F a couple of weeks ago and for some odd reason boarding on IAD-LHR was done through 1L

Due to the way the plane is parked I don't think the jetway will reach the 2L door.
 
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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 13):
Not always and I guess it might depend on the aircraft and the gate.

Exactly. That's why I said it's the "preferred" way. Many airports just do not have the facility to move the jetbridge from door 1 to door 2.

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RE: Boarding Door

Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting HnlBoi (Thread starter):
This may sound strange but, who determines which door will be used for boarding?

It was a GREAT question.

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