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DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:25 am

Kind of surprised about this, I would of expected an additional SLC-DSM or CID-ATL before a 4th DSM-ATL flight.

DELTA CONNECTION ADDS NEW FLIGHT
CONTACT: ROY CRISS OR GARY HAGAN
515-256-5093
“The beat goes on”, states Des Moines International Airport (DSM) Aviation Director
Craig Smith. “Our message to the community has been ‘the more people use this airport,
the more likely they are to see service enhancements’. As our enplanements go up, we
continue to see more flights to existing destinations and service startups to new
destinations”
Central Iowans will now have another choice of flight times to Atlanta (ATL). Delta
Connection will start flying a fourth daily flight from DSM to ATL on September 6,
2006. The new service will depart DSM at 8:10 am seven days per week and will use a
50-seat regional jet.
Tickets for this new service are available now at Delta.com, or through your favorite
agent.
“This airport is 6,000 enplanements ahead of last year’s pace. As airlines look for profit,
they look for airports that are being used more by the community. I see no reason why
this will not continue in this volatile industry. More passengers at an airport usually
translates into more choices”, explains DSM Airport Spokesperson Roy Criss.

http://www.dsmairport.com/PDF/07011%20Atlanta%20Additional.pdf
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
I would of expected an additional SLC-DSM

wait what!? DSM has SLC service? I don't think I had heard about this.

Kudo's though to the DSM airport. My girlfriend lives on the left downwind leg for rwy 5/23 and when the air is clear and the wind is right you see a nice variety of aircraft in the pattern, from Eagle CR7's to United 75's.
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
wait what!? DSM has SLC service? I don't think I had heard about this.

Yeah, it restarted a short time ago. I think that the first time around, DL Connection (Skywest) did twice daily service to get a morning and an evening departure from DSM. However, this time around, it is just a morning flight.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:58 am

hopefully CID will see an additional flight or upgrade to CR7 soon. I know they have been having record passenger levels as well and it would be nice to have some more flight options to ATL.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
wait what!? DSM has SLC service? I don't think I had heard about this.

Yep, restarted in June. It's 1x CRJ-200.

Quoting Iowa744fan (Reply 2):
Yeah, it restarted a short time ago. I think that the first time around, DL Connection (Skywest) did twice daily service to get a morning and an evening departure from DSM. However, this time around, it is just a morning flight.

Yep, this time it's a morning DSM-SLC departure and evening SLC-DSM return. It appears to be very full.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 3):
hopefully CID will see an additional flight or upgrade to CR7 soon. I know they have been having record passenger levels as well and it would be nice to have some more flight options to ATL.

DL has a ton of CR2's laying around, so an additional frequency would be much more likely than a CR7 and would also be more beneficial for connections.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:25 am

Talking of Iowa, what are the chances of DL increasing their ATL-Iowa presence?

I just got the wonderful news yesterday that a bunch of us are going to be spending a lot of time all over Iowa in the fall and we will need to fly from ATL to DSM, FSD, SUX, and CID.

There's no early AM flights ATL-DSM.
There's only one flight ATL-CID (late evening).
There's only one flight ATL-FSD (late morning).
DL doesn't fly to CID at all. And I absolutely refuse to fly NW, which means we're going to have to fly ATL-OMA and then drive. Still, the first ATL-OMA flight is late in the morning!

Basically, connectivity to Iowa for business travel sucks!
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 5):
There's only one flight ATL-CID (late evening).



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 5):
DL doesn't fly to CID at all.

  I assume you mean they don't fly to SUX?

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 5):
Basically, connectivity to Iowa for business travel sucks!

It's a lot better than it use to be. Before June ATL-CID and ATL-FSD n/s didn't even exist. And DSM is getting a 4th ATL in September (don't know if that will help you or not).

[Edited 2006-08-05 04:38:03]
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
I assume you mean they don't fly to SUX?

Yeah, you're right. DL don't fly to SUX at all.

I think NW's the only airline servicing SUX, and there's no way in hell im ever setting foot on a NW plane in the near future. So we'll have to drive from OMA, I guess.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
It's a lot better than it use to be. Before June ATL-CID and ATL-FSD n/s didn't even exist. And DSM is getting a 4th ATL in June

I agree - overall connectivity is much better. But, there are no flights that get in early enough to have a full day at work, which means we either need to fly in on Sunday evening or stay until Friday (we typically travel Mon-Thu).
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 7):
I think NW's the only airline servicing SUX,

Correct.

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 7):
I agree - overall connectivity is much better. But, there are no flights that get in early enough to have a full day at work,

Yeah, it's set up for DSM-ATL/morning connections outbound and late return rather than the other way around.

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 7):
I think NW's the only airline servicing SUX, and there's no way in hell im ever setting foot on a NW plane in the near future. So we'll have to drive from OMA, I guess.

FSD may be a little closer if the flight time works for you, but even then it's not too bad of a drive from OMA to SUX, it's all Interstate.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:16 pm

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 3):
hopefully CID will see an additional flight or upgrade to CR7 soon. I know they have been having record passenger levels as well and it would be nice to have some more flight options to ATL.

Doubt it, Its probably just a lot of low yield florida or west coast connections.

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Kind of surprised about this, I would of expected an additional SLC-DSM or CID-ATL before a 4th DSM-ATL flight.

Again, dont see more CID-ATL stated above.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
DL has a ton of CR2's laying around, so an additional frequency would be much more likely than a CR7 and would also be more beneficial for connections.

Got that right, all parked in rows at CVG.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:31 pm

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 5):
And I absolutely refuse to fly NW, which means we're going to have to fly ATL-OMA and then drive. Still, the first ATL-OMA flight is late in the morning!

I would say it is much quicker to drive from FSD-SUX than OMA-SUX. Probably your best option, although OMA does have a higher freq. than FSD.
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:13 pm

Great news to hear. IMHO they need to add a flight or two into OMA as well. Being from OMA, I try to get home almost every weekend. Sadly, I usually end up having to nonrev into DSM and drive to OMA. It is great to see more service into the Midwest though.
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
hopefully CID will see an additional flight or upgrade to CR7 soon. I know they have been having record passenger levels as well and it would be nice to have some more flight options to ATL.

Doubt it, Its probably just a lot of low yield florida or west coast connections

most westbound traffic out of CID is routed thru DFW (AA), DEN(UA) and also ORD (AA/UA) STL (AA) and MSP (NW). Any westbound DL passengers would probably choose a CVG routing to west coast and even that is out of the way. I don't see a lot of people flying clear down to ATL for west coast travel (unless it was dirt cheap) and a lot of the fares seem pretty high on this route, and they are filling this plane, so I don't necessarily this this flight is being filled with low-yield traffic. There are also alot of people in this community who lobbied for ATL service for business travel purposes as well so I can imagine a good chunk of the plane is being filled for that purpose too.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
Again, dont see more CID-ATL stated above.

I actually could see another ATL flight within the next 6 months. I remember when AA started DFW from here with only 2 flights, and that was quickly upped to 5 dailies. Nearby MLI started with 3 dailies to ATL and they went up to 4 shortly thereafter, so I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities to see another daily flight on this route. If the demand is there (and it seems like it is) they will add another flight.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 12):
Any westbound DL passengers would probably choose a CVG routing to west coast and even that is out of the way. I don't see a lot of people flying clear down to ATL for west coast travel (unless it was dirt cheap) and a lot of the fares seem pretty high on this route, and they are filling this plane, so I don't necessarily this this flight is being filled with low-yield traffic.

Well, they'll choose whatever flight is cheaper. fares are high if your just buying ATL. Its the same way here. But according to certain peoples our ATL flights are all low yield connections. I figured CID would be in the same predicament considering Florida and the SouthEast U.S. are the only places that it would seem to make sense to connect.

Your CVG runs are most likely taking people East, with some spotty international connections.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 12):
I actually could see another ATL flight within the next 6 months. I remember when AA started DFW from here with only 2 flights, and that was quickly upped to 5 dailies. Nearby MLI started with 3 dailies to ATL and they went up to 4 shortly thereafter, so I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities to see another daily flight on this route. If the demand is there (and it seems like it is) they will add another flight.

Sure the demand is there but is there enough money to be made for DL to just add another flight? Our loadfactors have been in the high 90's for about two years now to ATL. Think we have demand for another flight?

Its not out of the realm of possibilities for them to add another flight, I just dont see it in the near future. I'm probably wrong though, CID seems to get upgrades with no problem.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Kind of surprised about this, I would of expected an additional SLC-DSM or CID-ATL before a 4th DSM-ATL flight

DL could have easily filled a 737-200 on DSM-ATL. I remember in early 2005, when DL downgraded DSM. DL called to change my flights, they wanted to reschedule me for the following afternoon. I refused and tehy placed me on NW. I know the airport was begging DL for larger aircraft.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
Got that right, all parked in rows at CVG.

Were those returned to lessors or what?
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 13):
Well, they'll choose whatever flight is cheaper. fares are high if your just buying ATL. Its the same way here. But according to certain peoples our ATL flights are all low yield connections. I figured CID would be in the same predicament considering Florida and the SouthEast U.S. are the only places that it would seem to make sense to connect.

ATL O&D is definitely not low yield, and neither is a lot of the connecting traffic.

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 14):
DL could have easily filled a 737-200 on DSM-ATL. I remember in early 2005, when DL downgraded DSM

They did OMA-ATL also until last year when they started retiring some of the -300's. The demand was there, but now with CRJ's they charge a much higher fare to make up for the higher CASM.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 14):
Were those returned to lessors or what?

As far as I know they either own them or are still keeping them under lease. All of the aircraft appear ready for flight.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
They did OMA-ATL also until last year when they started retiring some of the -300's. The demand was there, but now with CRJ's they charge a much higher fare to make up for the higher CASM.

I think you're paying more for the esequsite service provided on the CRJ's.  Wink
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Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16):
As far as I know they either own them or are still keeping them under lease. All of the aircraft appear ready for flight

I know the recent OH guy who was $hit canned returned 10 aircraft. OH has some the oldest models of CRJ and Bombardier has not extended a maintenance plan for that aircraft beyond 15 years for FAR 121 service.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 17):
OH has some the oldest models of CRJ and Bombardier has not extended a maintenance plan for that aircraft beyond 15 years for FAR 121 service.

Yes sir. They're putting a ton of cycles on them too running routes like CVG-CRW/HTS/LEX/SDF/IND/DAY..ect..

I've seen many of these aircraft at Yeager that are really starting to show signs of their heavy usage and age.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 15):
ATL O&D is definitely not low yield, and neither is a lot of the connecting traffic.

Oh thats interesting. Is that a CID only thing or is that an everywhere but CRW thing? Please make your mind up as to what type of hub ATL is.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 18):
Oh thats interesting. Is that a CID only thing or is that an everywhere but CRW thing? Please make your mind up as to what type of hub ATL is.

depends on what your definition of low yield vs high yield is??? When a 14 day advance ticket to ATL cost 419.60 and 30 day advance is 319.60, not to mention I was looking at pricing flights to MCO (a typical low yield FL destination) for this fall and the cheapest on DL is 332.70. I don't think those are necessarily "peanuts" fares. Now if you check Allegiants fares from CID-Orlando the price is 156.10 RT, that would be what I consider to be more in line with low yielding.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 19):
depends on what your definition of low yield vs high yield is??? When a 14 day advance ticket to ATL cost 419.60 and 30 day advance is 319.60, not to mention I was looking at pricing flights to MCO (a typical low yield FL destination) for this fall and the cheapest on DL is 332.70. I don't think those are necessarily "peanuts" fares. Now if you check Allegiants fares from CID-Orlando the price is 156.10 RT, that would be what I consider to be more in line with low yielding.

Thats a one way price to ATL right?

I looked at the prices for CRW for a roundtrip ro ATL on monday, aug-21. which is like..17 days I think. And its $818.59 for a roundtrip CRW-ATL.
This routes loadfactors cant realistacally be any higher.

We've got about 80 daily to ATL and deltas taking more than 60.

For the same day our roundtrip to MCO is $427.70, TPA is 454.19(another good DL route from here)


Again, I don't know whethere you were talking about one way or roudtrup fares from CID. If its roundtrip those prices are fairly low.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
Again, I don't know whethere you were talking about one way or roudtrup fares from CID. If its roundtrip those prices are fairly low.

round trip...I guess I would consider those fares a little high, especially when I checked AirTran out of Moline to ATL for 14 day advance, which is 80 miles from CID and roughly a similar sized aiport, and the RT price is $238, nearly $200 cheaper than from CID.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 21):
round trip...I guess I would consider those fares a little high, especially when I checked AirTran out of Moline to ATL for 14 day advance, which is 80 miles from CID and roughly a similar sized aiport, and the RT price is $238, nearly $200 cheaper than from CID.

Airtrans fares are just low.

CIDs fares seem to be low too so ..yields??ehhhhhhhhhh..I suppose they could be average.

It's not like its cheaper to operate a CRJ from ATL-CID than ATL-CRW.

Well, this isnt any surprise to me at all.

Back to the meat of this thread. I dont see any more CID-ATL soon unless you guys get those yields up.

I dont know the operating costs to the dollar or anything... but those ticket prices are showing quite the contrast.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
Airtrans fares are just low.

Delta's fares are the same from there as well

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
Back to the meat of this thread. I dont see any more CID-ATL soon unless you guys get those yields up.

obviously we'll just have to agree to disagree

[Edited 2006-08-06 03:43:02]
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 23):
obviously we'll just have to agree to disagree

I respect that decision. Lets wait and see what happens  Smile
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
Thats a one way price to ATL right?

I looked at the prices for CRW for a roundtrip ro ATL on monday, aug-21. which is like..17 days I think. And its $818.59 for a roundtrip CRW-ATL.

I came up with $998.01 CID-ATL for those dates on www.delta.com

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
This routes loadfactors cant realistacally be any higher.

Same with CID.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 20):
We've got about 80 daily to ATL and deltas taking more than 60.

Which puts your O&D to ATL at less than half the plane.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 22):
ack to the meat of this thread. I dont see any more CID-ATL soon unless you guys get those yields up.

I don't see these low yields. I guess we will find out eventually.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 25):
Which puts your O&D to ATL at less than half the plane.

Same with CID. I doubt DL just snatched 60% of the marketshare right off the bat. Could be wrong.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 26):
Same with CID. I doubt DL just snatched 60% of the marketshare right off the bat. Could be wrong.

Not sure. With the new non-stop I would imagine CID-ATL O&D went up slightly since some of the business pax won't drive to MLI and also the n/s will generate a higher marketshare for them.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
Des Moines International Airport (DSM) Aviation Director
Craig Smith. “Our message to the community has been ‘the more people use this airport,
the more likely they are to see service enhancements’. As our enplanements go up, we
continue to see more flights to existing destinations and service startups to new
destinations”

Kind of funny how they make such a big deal when new frequencies are added "as our enplanements go up," but it goes unnoticed when other carriers decrease frequencies around the same time. Just like how Midwest Connect is decreasing one of its daily flights to MKE the day before this extra flight to ATL begins. Or when America West Express went back to twice daily to PHX right around the same time DL introduced DSM-SLC.
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting Dbo861 (Reply 28):
Or when America West Express went back to twice daily to PHX right around the same time DL introduced DSM-SLC.

True, however HP went from 3x CR2 to 1x CR2 and 1x CR9 so the loss of seats is minimal (not sure how many seats exactly their CR9's hold?).

[Edited 2006-08-06 19:27:19]
 
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RE: DL/ASA To Add Additional ATL-DSM Flight

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 10):
I would say it is much quicker to drive from FSD-SUX than OMA-SUX. Probably your best option, although OMA does have a higher freq. than FSD.

That's true. We're going to be about 45 miles from SUX, 150 miles from OMA & 85 miles from FSD.

And the first flight to OMA gets in after 11 am, which means we still will waste away almost the whole day. Even if we connect through CVG or IAH or wherever, it's no better. Oh well.

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