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Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:31 am

Hi,

I was wondering about this. I've seen a lot of photos taken in EZE of airlines putting their aircraft in remote areas after arrival to depart at night the same day. As I haven't seen this so often at airports, which other airports are known to have airlines park there aircraft for the entire day to depart at night?

I remember the following airports with the same situation:

- MIA: RG/AR flights to Brazil/Argentina.
- LAX: QF flights to Australia (3 744s were parked on remote stands for the entire day before heading back home)
- SYD: VS/BA flights to Europe.
- SIN: KL 744 (as per the very interesting thread started by fellow member HB-IWC).
- AMS: NW 333 flights to the U.S. (?)

Even so, I haven't seen an airport with so many aircraft being parked at daytime before the return flight like you see in EZE. I assume this has to do with the time difference combined with connection possibilities once the flight has arrived back home (?) This must also be very expensive to have an aircraft (especially widebody aircraft) to be "sitting idle" for so long in an outstation. I guess it is worth it (?) How much does an airline pay for a full day to park their aircraft in let's say MIA for instance?

Here are some interesting photos taken at EZE:


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Which other airports are there like EZE and so many aircraft being parked during the entire day?

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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
How much does an airline pay for a full day to park their aircraft in let's say MIA for instance?

I asked a similar question here:
How Costly Is It To Park A Plane During Layover? (by AeroWesty Jul 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)

The answer depends upon airport, but it's rarely over $1000, and most often less.
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:19 am

Hey AerWesty,

Thanks for the link. I think the charges depends on the airport. Parking your aircraft at LHR or AMS will be much more expensive than EZE I would think. What I've heard is that PY pays some thousands of euros just to park their 743 on a remote stand.

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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
Which other airports are there like EZE and so many aircraft being parked during the entire day?

In Brazil, both GRU and GIG. In Chile, SCL. For those airports, the market demands for high yielding, night flights and early morning arrivals.

GIG - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, BA
GRU - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, IB, AZ, JAL, AM

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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 am

This must also be very expensive to have an aircraft (especially widebody aircraft) to be "sitting idle" for so long in an outstation. I guess it is worth it (?)

With the recent added emphasis on cabin cleanliness, Delta has used the long ground times for 767ER aircraft in South American stations to do interior deep cleaning. This way, all 767ERs go no more than 30 days between deep cleanings. Previously, the interval was 6 months.
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
In Brazil, both GRU and GIG. In Chile, SCL. For those airports, the market demands for high yielding, night flights and early morning arrivals.

GIG - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, BA
GRU - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, IB, AZ, JAL, AM

Felipe

Hi Felipe, how are you doing. I totally forgot about SCL having these long stopovers as well. I wasn't aware of GRU and GIG also receiving these long daytime stopovers. Thanks.

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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:13 pm

At JNB, virtually all the European carriers, except KL, park their aircraft during the day, with some Asian carriers like SQ and CX parking about half of a day.



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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):

In Brazil, both GRU and GIG. In Chile, SCL. For those airports, the market demands for high yielding, night flights and early morning arrivals.

GIG - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, BA
GRU - AF, UA, AA, DL, CO, IB, AZ, JAL, AM

Felipe

I also remember the reverse...the Varig Star Alliance MD-11 parked at the not-yet-completed J-Concourse at Miami was a site to see...unfortunately, that plane will likely never use said concourse...:'(
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 7):
I also remember the reverse...the Varig Star Alliance MD-11 parked at the not-yet-completed J-Concourse at Miami was a site to see...unfortunately, that plane will likely never use said concourse...:'(

Also at JFK, the plane use to arrive on early morning and departure at 6 / 8 PM.
To Europe, it's not so bad as the planes arrive on the end of morning or afternoon.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
Hi Felipe, how are you doing. I totally forgot about SCL having these long stopovers as well. I wasn't aware of GRU and GIG also receiving these long daytime stopovers. Thanks.

I'm fine and you ? Yes, some cases like DL you can see a plane during 14 hours at GIG.

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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:02 am

LAX always gets a nice line up of Qantas 747s.

Smartly however Qantas recently started leasing a hangar and does work on its aircraft during the long layovers.


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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:15 am

What a huge waste of resources.

It would be nice if we could get rid of the protectoinist cabotage rules and prevent perfectly good airplanes from going unused for hours...
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
In Brazil, both GRU and GIG

Yes, as Felipe mentions, GRU is a great place to spot widebodies from faraway countries during the day, as they wait for the evening to arrive. You can see planes from AA, DL, CO, UA, AM, AC, JL!
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:38 am

Air Seychelles have an almost 24hr turnround at LHR, B767 comes in thursday night 21.45 and departs friday approx 21.20.
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Pogo (Reply 12):
Air Seychelles have an almost 24hr turnround at LHR, B767 comes in thursday night 21.45 and departs friday approx 21.20.

Wow, that must be very expensive to have your aircraft parked at LHR for so long. I guess it is worth it...

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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:10 pm

Parking at JNB is free for the first four hours and then a fixed fee for every 24 hours thereafter. So parking for 04:01 hours or 23:59 hours wouild cost you the same!
 
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:15 pm

LHR has South African Airlines,Quantas staying most of the day.
SAA usually arrive 6-7am,and depart around 9pm.
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:46 pm

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 15):
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
- AMS: NW 333 flights to the U.S. (?)

I don't think so. I flew an NW A333 between Seattle and Amsterdam about a year ago (SEA-AMS-HEL-AMS-SEA), and the flight arrived from Seattle in the morning and left Amsterdam before noon. I don't know when the other AMS-U.S. flights operate, but I didn't see any NW aircraft that weren't parked at a gate at AMS.
 
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:40 pm

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 10):
It would be nice if we could get rid of the protectoinist cabotage rules and prevent perfectly good airplanes from going unused for hours...

Would you care to suggest tags from EZE or SCL?
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 10):
It would be nice if we could get rid of the protectoinist cabotage rules and prevent perfectly good airplanes from going unused for hours...



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
Would you care to suggest tags from EZE or SCL?

Or JNB/CPT for that matter. Although there was a plan at one stage for QF to use BA aircraft on the ground in JNB to fly on to SYD, but it fell through because of the SA-Australia bilateral, or something.
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
MIA: RG/AR flights to Brazil/Argentina.
- LAX: QF flights to Australia (3 744s were parked on remote stands for the entire day before heading back home)
- SYD: VS/BA flights to Europe.
- SIN: KL 744 (as per the very interesting thread started by fellow member HB-IWC).
- AMS: NW 333 flights to the U.S. (?)

- AMS:CX (half day)
- EWR: LY (10hr)
 
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RE: Airports With Long Airline Daytime Resting Hours

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
Would you care to suggest tags from EZE or SCL?

Since Chile and Argentina don't have many large cities outside the capital, there is probably not a big domestic market. Cordoba maybe?

If we really had a free market in international aviation, there are plenty of places that a US airline could fly. Look at CO's IAH-EZE schedule. The 762 arrives at 9:20 and leaves at 21:50. That's 12h30m just sitting there. I don't know any airline's costs, but this seems wasteful. If they were allowed to fly any route, I would think that airlines would come up with something. LAN's 763s don't sit on the ground all day, they fly in South America. From EZE, an airline would have time to make it to SCL, GIG, GRU, ASU, MVD, etc and have plenty of time to return to the US.
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