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Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:22 am

A BAC 1-11 operated by Braniff International Airways crashed in Nebraska on a flight from Kansas City to Omaha 40 years ago today (August 6, 1966). I was less than a year old at the time, and would be interested to read about any recollections of this accident. Thanks.
 
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:45 am

 
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:26 am

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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:56 am

The First Officer's family is dedicating a memorial this weekend at the crash site http://www.thebranifffamily.org/events.asp scroll down a little.
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:02 am

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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:11 am

From the first link:

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It was determined that 250 would have to encounter a gust of at least 140ft/sec. at an upward angle to cause the tailplane to fail.

And how fast is that in miles per hour (MPH)?
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 5):

140'x60sec=8400 feet in one minute
60mph is a mile a minute which is 5280ft per minute
I would guess 8400 ft per minute is around 100mph give or take 10mph.
100mph is quite an interesting gust of wind, on the ground or in the air.

Anyone else on this?
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:02 pm

The pilots decided to fly through what appeared to be a clear area in the approaching squall line. It has been speculated that a 'horizontal tornado' existed in that 'clear' area. Several other funnel clouds formed at that altitude on the same evening.

I had never heard of a horizontal tornado -perhaps someone with meteorology experience could elucidate?

I was told that the intact fuselage pancaked into the ground causing one side to split open, with the resulting ejection of contents (pax) in more or less one direction. I don't suppose anyone could have survived that for long, though with some other crashes (BA/BEA Trident Zagreb and Trident Staines) there was evidence of people surviving the initial impact.
 
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 6):
I would guess 8400 ft per minute is around 100mph give or take 10mph.

95.45 mph.
 
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 7):
I had never heard of a horizontal tornado -perhaps someone with meteorology experience could elucidate?

Well, I've never heard of a horizontal tornado occuring naturally in nature, but if you think about it, wake turbulence is like a horizontal tornado. It is a column of spinning air starting out at a point whose circumference gets wider as it gets taller (or longer, in this case).

I would imagine most horizontal tornados (including wake turbulence) are invisible, because as they do not touch the ground, there is no spinning cloud of dust and debris.

However, a naturally occuring horizontal spiraling column of wind and wake turbulence could never actually be called a tornado, as neither actually touches the ground.
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:29 pm

There are "horizontal tornados" associated with mountain ranges that are called "rotors". They are rather common in the Colorado Rockies, and for a while it was under consideration as a possible cause of the UA 737 flight at COS a few years ago. I saw a documentary on one of the cable channels about the research into rotors that was being done in the Rockies.

I don't know if rotors that are found in storms (which I heard of growing up in Oklahoma) are the same as rotors found in mountain ranges.
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RE: Braniff Crash In Nebraska 40 Years Ago.

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:21 am

I knew an Ex-Braniff pilot who was aN MSP based BAC111 First Officer at the time and on the same trip,just different days,said his phone started ringing off the hook that night,people checking to see if he was on it.
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