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YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:54 am

In the long term we are going to see more connections worldwide with Pearson, does anyone know what new international destinations are likely to be added? I would assume Dubai would be one of them for sure, and maybe some more Middle Eastern Cities. Beirut has been rumoured by AC for years.

Also, maybe with some new airlines coming in, we can get some new cities. I think there will be more US expansion in the future with AC and there new E-jets. I am hoping for more florida destinations.

I am thinking the following fron YYZ
SIN, DXB, BKK, Beirut (do not know code),

what about a vietnam connection?

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):

YYZ-LAX-SYD is one route that AC will be operating in 2007 from YYZ. Not sure when they are starting though.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:37 am

Dxb is a possibility but i do know about SIN, BKK and vietnam would be wishful thinking. I think there was a thread where it was mentioned Air Canada was looking at YYZ-Sin as a future route.

I am surprised Lan Chile or Aerolineas Argentina does not fly into YYZ.

Other possibolities i think; Air China, Virgin, may ROyal AIr Moroc or Egyptair?
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:41 am

Well it is very expensive to fly into YYZ and with all the code sharing and alliances I would not expect to many news from YYZ in the near future

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:58 am

egyptair, royal air maroc come to YUL because of the populations in Montreal would be very suprise to see RAM in YYZ... Samething for Beirut the Libanees population is very strong in Montréal...

Us expansion...wow from YYZ you can flight nonstop to any city in USA except maybe new orleans because of the hurricane of last year...

HNL? maybe
SJU? AA probably
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:12 am

I think you will see Virgin, Emirates, Turkish, Royal Jordanian, Some Chinese carrier, and perhaps Kingfisher/JetAirways in Toronto within the next decade.

At the same time, we might some erosion of the European side from Austrian/EL AL (although not european) etc.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 4):
HNL? maybe

I dont think YYZ-HNL will come back, im sketchy of it.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I dont think YYZ-HNL will come back, im sketchy of it.

Transat, sunquest or zoom will probably start it some day...
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:18 pm

How about YYZ-BOM or YYZ-BLR nonstop with 787's or 772LR of AI?

Here's hoping that AC restores YYZ-DEL nonstop, and SQ comes to take Toronto's fine citizens to SIN.
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:00 pm

i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?

TK can already send its passengers through JFK on AA.........
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 10):

TK can already send its passengers through JFK on AA.........

yeah...i guess it's tough for an airline to go into YYZ with all of the code-sharing...and they could send those pax through ORD via AA as well.

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:16 pm

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?



Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
TK can already send its passengers through JFK on AA.........



Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 11):
yeah...i guess it's tough for an airline to go into YYZ with all of the code-sharing...and they could send those pax through ORD via AA as well.

Turkish Airlines have a ticket office in Toronto and pax fly out through YYZ on BA, KL & MP. This would be prefered then going through US Pre-clearence here.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 7):
Quoting AC320tech (Reply 6):
I dont think YYZ-HNL will come back, im sketchy of it.

Transat, sunquest or zoom will probably start it some day...

Zoom was supposed to start this service in early 2006, but the loads were not selling so they cancelled the route before it even started.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 5):
At the same time, we might some erosion of the European side from Austrian/EL AL (although not european) etc.

ELAL will probably be gone before year end, however OS is booming in YYZ with full loads almost every flight.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:30 pm

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
connections worldwide with Pearson

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:37 pm

[quote=RicardoFG,reply=12]ELAL will probably be gone before year end[/quot

what would happen on LY's ORD market if they pulled out of YYZ, also, any proof that they may indeed pull out?
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 14):
what would happen on LY's ORD market if they pulled out of YYZ, also, any proof that they may indeed pull out?

There have been numerous posts on a.net over the last 3 months quoting major media from israel suggesting that LY wants to pull out of Toronto based on the high landing fees and low loads. They have already cut the YYZ-LAX-YYZ route which is saving them around 1million annually.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 15):
RicardoFG

I remember reading about LY and YYZ not working out..thanks for the info tho
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:42 pm

LY will be going TLV-YYZ-ORD-YYZ-TLV

What about AC to SGN or ICN?
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:01 am

AC flies to ICN durring the summer (I think 3X per week) from YYZ already
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
Beirut has been rumoured by AC for years.

That wasn't a rumour. AC applied for the route but was turned down by a far-sighted Canadian Government (an oxymoron!) on the grounds that Beirut airport was not safe.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
How about YYZ-BOM or YYZ-BLR nonstop with 787's or 772LR of AI?

YYZ-BOM is certainly on the cards as there is already AI and AC flying to DEL....bulk of the Indian community here is from north India....but BLR could be a good hub for the growing S.Indian population here and could provide connections to Sri Lanka and other places....yes, a thrice weekly to BLR could survive.....
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
How about YYZ-BOM or YYZ-BLR nonstop with 787's or 772LR of AI?

Here's hoping that AC restores YYZ-DEL nonstop

Reportedly, AC's plan is that once the 777s start to enter the fleet (and once they have the capacity they need) that YYZ-DEL will return as a nonstop, and that YYZ-ZRH will be a separate flight. There are also rumours that AC does plan on starting a YYZ-BOM flight, and that with the 787s there may even be a YVR-DEL route (but the AC insiders will know the inside scoop better than I do).

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 9):
i was thinking YYZ-IST via TK in a few years...seems like it could be a good market for TK, any thoughts?

TK is very interested and has been trying to get the route and frequency authority to make a YYZ-IST route viable, but AC has been against it up till now. Now that TK may join the Star Alliance (they have stated their intention to join) AC may change their mind and be more amenable to TK's request.
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 17):
LY will be going TLV-YYZ-ORD-YYZ-TLV

thats correct, starting end of October. the question I have been wondering is...could LY's 762's (which they are going to use on the ORD route starting oct 29 instead of the 744's) make it nonstop from TLV-ORD? i believe i heard LY has equipped their 767's with special features that make them go further than an ordinary 762. does this have any factual evidence behind it?

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 12):
ELAL will probably be gone before year end, however OS is booming in YYZ with full loads almost every flight.

OS is definitely booming load-wise ex YYZ, however a recent press release outlined a network realignment which would probably see the elimination of an existing route in North America. Presumably IAD or YYZ. The deciding factor will be profit and yield, and given the Pearson cost structure, I hate to say that YYZ will probably get the axe.
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 22):
i believe i heard LY has equipped their 767's with special features that make them go further than an ordinary 762. does this have any factual evidence behind it?

Just the mere fact that they can fly MIA/TLV or ORD/TLV without having to make a fuel stop. AFAIK, they are the longest range 762's currently in scheduled passenger operation.

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 19):
That wasn't a rumour. AC applied for the route but was turned down by a far-sighted Canadian Government (an oxymoron!) on the grounds that Beirut airport was not safe.

It was beyond the application stage. The flights were scheduled and in our flying packages, and were yanked one week before the first scheduled operation. The Canadian Goverment was pressured--okay encouraged by the US Government to suspend its plans. This was covered extenstively in previous posts.

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 18):
AC flies to ICN durring the summer (I think 3X per week) from YYZ already

Seasonal summer service between mid-June and late-September. AC065 - 3 times weekly.

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 16):
I remember reading about LY and YYZ not working out..thanks for the info tho

Stanley Morais, LY's Station/Canada Manager along with the Station Managers of AF/AZ & AC's Milton, were amongst the most outspoken critics of the extortionist landing fees at Toronto-Pearson. Upon its opening both LY & AZ predicted they might very well bail from YYZ.
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
In the long term we are going to see more connections worldwide with Pearson, does anyone know what new international destinations are likely to be added?

I have a friend who works for CM and last year he told me that PTY - YYZ - PTY was under discussion. At the same time, I heard rumours about AC doing the YYZ - PTY route as well.

With the expansion in Latin America, is PTY the next choice?

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:37 am

thanks for the info, guys
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:55 am

YYZ-DEL nonstop with Air India with the 777-200LRs is on the cards. routing will be del-atq-yyz i.e. by passing bhx.

YYZ-DXB and YYZ-BOM has been tentatively short listed by AC for the B 772LR for 2008-09.

AC has no plans to restart nonstop YYZ-DEL flights.

Currently PIA is the only airline flying the B 772LR to Canada.

[Edited 2006-08-08 04:56:48]
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 27):

Currently PIA is the only airline flying the B 772LR to Canada.

currently PK is the only airline flying the 772LR, period.

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting DYK (Reply 2):
Aerolineas Argentina does not fly into YYZ.

They used to with an A310 back in the day... along with EI, TG, IB etc.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 5):
I think you will see Virgin, Emirates, Turkish, Royal Jordanian, Some Chinese carrier, and perhaps Kingfisher/JetAirways in Toronto within the next decade.

Agree with those Marc, but minus RJ and adding TP, QF, and QR

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
SQ comes to take Toronto's fine citizens to SIN.

Unlikely, given the snit between the respective Govt. agencies but we can hope.

Cheers,
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 24):
AFAIK, they are the longest range 762's currently in scheduled passenger operation.

What's so special about LY's B762's as opposed to CO or MA's?

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:20 am

Hi Kaz,

I really cant see Tap venturing into the low yield leisure volume of Canada-Portugal. They really only serve Newark in North America, and perhaps with good reason?

As for QF and QR, time will tell I guess. QF is a longshot unless they were to do take an idle airplane in LAX, and sent it over to YYZ in back for an evening SYD service.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:09 am

Hmm, you're probably right about TP.
QF I am guessing more as a response to AC's new YYZ service.

Cheers,
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 30):
What's so special about LY's B762's as opposed to CO or MA's?

yes, I was also wondering why LY's 762's are able to fly the longest range. does anyone care to share their knowledge about this?

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:10 am

This may be a longshot, but what if QF were to go non-stop on the SYD-YVR route and then tag on a YVR-YYZ run?
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:17 am

Why would QF in there right mind would like to Go to YYZ???

YVR OK!


From Either YVR,LAX,SFO,DFW you can catch a flight to YYZ
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 35):
Why would QF in there right mind would like to Go to YYZ???

They used to fly SYD-HNL-YYZ three times a week with the 767 in addition a SYD-HNL-YVR flight that was flown four times a week.

Why though, I have absolutely no idea.
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:22 am

There're rumors about future CM YYZ service, but the starting date seems to be undefined for now.
There's are issues with the Panama-Canada bilateral like not allowing Panamanian airlines rights to fly into YYZ, but into YUL and YVR, and a frequency limit of 3 flights per week (don't know if to YUL and YVR each or to Canada).
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:31 am

I was just wondering whether there has been any more news about YYZ>JNB flights. Every few months there are threads with rumors about nonstops to JNB but it never seems to get anywhere. Theres a lot of demand for service from Canada to SA with the large expat community and it's a pain to fly through Europe or pay the huge fares with SA.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 7):
Transat, sunquest or zoom will probably start it some day...

I doubt it. Transat's transborder ops are minimal, ditto for Sunquest. Zoom were going to fly a weekly YYZ-HNL flight last winter, but quietly dropped these plans.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting YOW (Reply 39):
I doubt it. Transat's transborder ops are minimal, ditto for Sunquest. Zoom were going to fly a weekly YYZ-HNL flight last winter, but quietly dropped these plans.

Not sure if they plain drop it or there ETOPS certification that they use to europe is enough to fly to HNL...
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 35):
Why would QF in there right mind would like to Go to YYZ???

YVR OK!


From Either YVR,LAX,SFO,DFW you can catch a flight to YYZ

Well with that brilliant logic why does AC fly to NRT, HKG, ICN from YYZ when you can fly to YVR, LAX, SFO and grab a flight to those destinations.
Arrrrrgh!  banghead 

If you had read my post I stated that QF might fly to YYZ to compete with AC's new route YYZ-LAX-SYD.
As Jayce said they actually did fly to YYZ with a B763 prior to 9/11.

The other thing... why would someone fly through DFW of all places if they were going Australia to Toronto?

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:54 am

QF being from down under (Australia) doesn't care to fly PAX to Toronto... It's not New York or Chicago... Reaching YVR for them is already a filler for the flight landing in SFO so they utilise it during the day to flight to YVR and back instead of being on the ground 5 hours... Flying to YYZ is much longer from either SFO or LAX... would required additionnal planes to do it... YYZ is expensive and slot are pretty rare to get...

AC is the national carrier of Canada and biggest hub is YYZ so Air Toronto fly nonstop everywhere they can from YYZ...

QF is national carrier from Australia from where they are even YVR seems pretty far...to reach...

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 41):
The other thing... why would someone fly through DFW of all places if they were going Australia to Toronto

Because they could QF Syd-DFW and AA from DFW YYZ.... that's choice #1

choice #2 will be AC Syd-lax-yyz
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:58 am

i would also and that's just my guess or wish try to utilise HNL which is less busy than LAX 3 times a week from YYZ and feed from people going to SYD from YVR...

those 3 days YYZ-HNL-SYD

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 41):
why would someone fly through DFW of all places if they were going Australia to Toronto?

Mainly because it is NOT LAX! It's only 114 miles more too!
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Jayce (Reply 36):
They used to fly SYD-HNL-YYZ three times a week with the 767 in addition

Qantas didn't fly to YYZ it was a codeshare onboard CP from HNL to YYZ.
 
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 45):
Qantas didn't fly to YYZ it was a codeshare onboard CP from HNL to YYZ

They certainly did!! One of YYZ's shortest lived operations was QF's 3 X weekly B767-300 YYZ/HNL/SYD service which alernated with QF's 4 X weekly B767-300 YVR/HNL/SYD service. It was one of the first post 9/11 casualties, although the YVR service ran for a short while beyond the YYZ suspension.

The flights were full of travel agents who were taking advantage of QF's $99.00 YYZ/HNL/YYZ return fare.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 27):
AC has no plans to restart nonstop YYZ-DEL flights.

Incorrect. It's on the short list. The A340-300 was a case of wrong aircraft/wrong route.

Quoting DYK (Reply 2):
I am surprised Lan Chile or Aerolineas Argentina does not fly into YYZ.

Other possibolities i think; Air China, Virgin, may ROyal AIr Moroc or Egyptair?

Aerolineas Argentinas, Air China & Virgin. Been there, done that. They've all served YYZ at some point.
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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 45):
Quoting Jayce (Reply 36):
They used to fly SYD-HNL-YYZ three times a week with the 767 in addition

Qantas didn't fly to YYZ it was a codeshare onboard CP from HNL to YYZ.

Yes they did. Here's proof:

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:20 am

Does anyone know if Etihad has begin YYZ service from AUH?

I haven't seen any pics on a.net yet, but I know there was talk of service via BRU on one of their 332s; to be replaced with a 340-500 in the next year.

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RE: YYZ And New International Routes

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:26 am

Quote:
Does anyone know if Etihad has begin YYZ service from AUH?

I haven't seen any pics on a.net yet, but I know there was talk of service via BRU on one of their 332s; to be replaced with a 340-500 in the next year.

G

Yes, Etihad started service to YYZ earlier this year via BRU. You dont see pictures of the aircraft at YYZ because it arrives and departs at night!

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