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A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:41 pm

Has the first flight of the A380 with GP7200's been made yet? The last FI article on this topic said Airbus was shooting for this event before the end of July. I haven't seen anything since then.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:55 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Thread starter):
Has the first flight of the A380 with GP7200's been made yet? The last FI article on this topic said Airbus was shooting for this event before the end of July. I haven't seen anything since then.

I haven't heard anything but I supposed that since EKs A380s are going to be delayed by the wiring issue anyway they're probably not feeling too much pressure to start the GP7200 test flights anytime soon.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Thread starter):
The last FI article on this topic said Airbus was shooting for this event before the end of July. I haven't seen anything since then.

Here's a link to the aforementioned FI article (June 21):

The Engine Alliance GP7200-powered Airbus A380 flight test aircraft (manufacturer’s serial number 009) – pictured below at the Airbus plant in Toulouse last week - is expected to take to the air next month.

The aircraft (F-WWSF), which was rolled out of the production plant earlier this month, is being prepared for handover to Airbus’s flight-test department. The GP7200-powered aircraft was due to begin flight-testing by May, but Airbus says it now expects the aircraft to fly in July...


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ed+to+start+flight+tests+next.html
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 2):
The GP7200-powered aircraft was due to begin flight-testing by May, but Airbus says it now expects the aircraft to fly in July...

Now it's August. Stil no word from Emirates which could mean that they're not worried. However Airbus has said that there may be more schedule and financial risk in the A380. We have to wait and see.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3):
Stil no word from Emirates which could mean that they're not worried. However Airbus has said that there may be more schedule and financial risk in the A380. We have to wait and see.

IIRC, there have been no comments whatsoever reported with attribution on any subject issuing from Mr. Clark since before Farnborough...very unusual for him.

[Edited 2006-08-07 18:59:23]
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:45 am

it will fly soon, very soon. Airbus is not in any hurry with this one. No need for.

FI 25 Jul
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...s+for+rejected+take-off+tests.html
"Meanwhile, the first flight of the Engine Alliance GP7200-powered test aircraft has slipped into August.
......
Meanwhile, the GP7200-powered A380 (MSN009) is expected to be handed over to Airbus's flight test department by the end of the month, says Engine Alliance president Bruce Hughes: "There's no real big hurdle left before it moves to flight test," he says."
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 5):
it will fly soon, very soon. Airbus is not in any hurry with this one. No need for.

Hopefully your prediction is correct. However, given the past history of the A380 program, I don't think it's unreasonable for eyebrows to raise slightly when yet another "slip" creeps into the process.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:14 pm

Has anyone seen the nacelle design on this engine vs. the RR version? Is it basically the same?
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 7):
Has anyone seen the nacelle design on this engine vs. the RR version? Is it basically the same?

Not sure. Unfortunately, in the photograph illustrating FI's June 21st article (see link in Reply #2), the two visible engine nacelles of MSN 009 are completely shrouded by protective covering. On June 19, FI described the status of this aircraft as: "Stored outside at Toulouse awaiting start of Engine Alliance GP7200 flight-test programme." That description seems entirely consistent with the "condition" of the aircraft depicted in the photo published in FI on June 21st. If MSN 009 (F-WWSF) has been out and about at TLS since then, it certainly hasn't been documented in a publicly available photograph as yet.



Actually, the first aircraft which will be delivered to EK, MSN 011 (F-WWSG), was first photographed in February without any engines installed:


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On June 19th, FI described the status of this aircraft as follows: "First for Emirates. In Toulouse assembly hangar undergoing pre-equipping."

[Edited 2006-08-08 08:36:07]
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:43 pm

Here is another Photo, it is now registered F-WWEA

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5784486

[Edited 2006-08-08 08:45:06]
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting Overcast (Reply 9):
Here is another Photo, it is now registered F-WWEA

Do you have a URL for that photo, it's not opening for me in your reply?

Edit: Thanx for the link to the photo. Given the rear angle of the photo and the open cowlings, its hard to tell whether the nacelles of EA equipped aircraft have a noticeably different appearence than the RR model.

[Edited 2006-08-08 09:03:14]
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:20 pm

maybe they are blackmailing the Engine Alliance into agreeing to provide an engine for the A350-1000  sarcastic 
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting Overcast (Reply 9):
Here is another Photo, it is now registered F-WWEA

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.p...84486

Is F-WWEA an A380-841 because it will be re-engined with RR Trents and delivered to Etihad? Engine Alliance powered A380s should be A380-861.

Or is it a typo in the photo description?
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting EGNR (Reply 12):
s F-WWEA an A380-841 because it will be re-engined with RR Trents and delivered to Etihad? Engine Alliance powered A380s should be A380-861

It will be re-engined to RR upon completion of flight-test and delivery to EY.

At an earlier point of the program, MSN 007 was scheduled to be re-engined from RR to EA during flight-test as well, then back to RR for delivery to EY; I'm not sure if this remains part of the plan after the second program delay?
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:41 pm



Picture: Airbus begins engine runs on Engine Alliance GP7200-powered A380 in Toulouse

Airbus has begun engine ground runs of the Engine Alliance GP7200-powered Airbus A380 test aircraft at its facilities in Toulouse...

...The aircraft (now registered as F-WWEA) was rolled out of the production plant in June and had initially been scheduled to start tests last year, which was later revised to May and then July...


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...liance+GP7200-powered+A380+in.html

What, if any, differences between the nacelles of the EA and RR versions?


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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:40 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 14):
What, if any, differences between the nacelles of the EA and RR versions?

i can't see differences..

The article doesn't say anything about the 1st flight..
I think it will be a matter of days.. What do you guys think?

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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:34 pm

I could be wrong, but it looks like the the second stage hot section on the EA engine extends further aft?
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:21 pm

Didnt it make its first flight on the 19th of july 2006?
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 17):
Didnt it make its first flight on the 19th of july 2006?

Nope, you're thinking of MSN 005 (F-WWSB) for SQ.


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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:43 pm

Well, this is a step forward for the A380. Getting both available engine types running. Very good.

Incrimental progress, but progress non-the-less.  Smile

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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 14):
What, if any, differences between the nacelles of the EA and RR versions?

The RR variant has a longer "spike".
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:58 pm

Engine Alliance A380 to fly soon

The first flight of an Engine Alliance-powered Airbus A380 is expected by the end of August, following the start of ground runs on the test aircraft last week.

Airbus says aircraft MSN009 has been handed over to the flight test division, which began ground-running the GP7200 engines on 14 August. The first start-up was particularly smokey as oil burned off that had accumulated while the engines were in prolonged storage. The GP7200 shipset had been "sitting around for 11 months", says Engine Alliance president Bruce Hughes.

Although Airbus will not give a precise date for the first flight, saying only that "it will be shortly - as soon as everything is ready for it", Hughes says the provisional window is 25-30 August. The first GP7200-powered A380 was originally expected to fly in November 2005 but, although the engines were delivered on time, issues with the nacelle and other parts slowed the programme...


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ine+Alliance+A380+to+fly+soon.html
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:03 pm

Airbus A380 test aircraft MSN009 will be workhorse to bear brunt of Engine Alliance GP7200 certification programme

Airbus A380 test aircraft manufacturer's serial number 009 (MSN009) is set to perform around 95% of the Engine Alliance GP7200-powered A380 certification testing...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...unt+of+Engine+Alliance+GP7200.html
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 21):
Hughes says the provisional window is 25-30 August.

Well, if that window is true, we are days away from the first flight... I hope everything goes well (no reason why it shouldn't), so hopefully we'll see pictures of this one in the air pretty soon. Does anyone know if Airbus or someone will videotape and show to the public the engine's first flight? BTW, what are the differences between the RR and the EA engines? (not looks, but performance)
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:14 am

Pictures: Airbus A380 GP7200 test aircraft performs rejected take-off today ahead of Friday first flight
By Justin Wastnage

The Engine Alliance GP7200-powered Airbus A380 test aircraft has performed a rejected take-off (RTO) today ahead of a first flight scheduled for Friday...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...f+today+ahead+of+Friday+first.html
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 24):

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles....html

the article also states ""First flight is expected on Friday 25 August, in the morning," Airbus says."
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:14 am

Yep, according to the flight test schedule, they'll do the first flight Friday.

It was quite a sight today for the "simple" RTO (not a real one as per RTO standards), the number of people at the bottom of the aircraft just prior to push-back!  Wow!.

I went to check and most of them were EA people according to the visitor's badge they were wearing, so they were really eager to witness this, considering the crowd they sent across the pond.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 25):
the article also states ""First flight is expected on Friday 25 August, in the morning," Airbus says."

This is great!! thanks for the info!
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:48 pm

MSN 009 took-off on his first flight this morning at 10.30 (orignally scheduled at 10). I could not confuse it with MSN 004 as they have a slightly different livery.

It was a very smooth take-off, and take-off weight was 430 T IIRC from the flight test data recorded in the FT tool.

Sometimes it is amazing in the flight tests centre. You have the four MSNs all lined up, very impressive to see, and at one point we had three A/C (MSNs 002, 001 & 004) all moving around on the taxiways while one of them was landing.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:02 pm

So this is the 7th A380 to fly isn't it?

4 test planes, 2 for SN in Hamburg for fitting out and then this one?
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 29):
So this is the 7th A380 to fly isn't it?

4 test planes, 2 for SN in Hamburg for fitting out and then this one?

MSN 001, 002, 003 (SIA), 004, 005 (SIA), 007 & 009 have indeed already flown.

I was next to MSN 006 during lightning strikes in a hangar, and it looked fairly ready to fly in my opinion.

MSN 003, 005 & 007 are in XFW for cabin fitting.

1800 hours of flight testing and 575 flights have already been done through the test program.

[Edited 2006-08-25 11:07:30]
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:38 pm

Picture: Engine Alliance GP7200-powered Airbus A380 test aircraft performs first flight



http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+test+aircraft+performs+first.html
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:04 pm

 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:38 pm

Engine Alliance GP7200-powered Airbus A380 performed it first flight this morning August 25th 2006, out of Toulouse-Blagnac.

Video can be seen here :

http://www.lci.fr
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:59 pm

Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 28):
Sometimes it is amazing in the flight tests centre. You have the four MSNs all lined up, very impressive to see, and at one point we had three A/C (MSNs 002, 001 & 004) all moving around on the taxiways while one of them was landing.

I am sure that is an awsome sight! Can't wait to see these giants in service... the A380 has really made the biggest anticipation for commercial aviation in decades....

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 33):
Engine Alliance GP7200-powered Airbus A380 performed it first flight this morning August 25th 2006, out of Toulouse-Blagnac.

Great video, and once again the takeoff by the A380 seems so easy.... Sometimes I have to remember that it's the biggest comercial plane flying, and trully, seeing pictures and video doesn't do justice to its size and performance.....
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:09 pm

Knoxibus,
Is WWOW back in test after the RTO, and do you have any info on the results of the test.
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:09 pm

Seeing that video I was amazed by the wingtips dimensions. They seems to be larger than usual. Any other opinion ?

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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:57 pm

"Never mistake motion for action." Ernest Hemingway
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting Overcast (Reply 35):
Is WWOW back in test after the RTO, and do you have any info on the results of the test.

6 RTOs were carried out so far between end of July and early August, including 3 at MTOW, and the report said RAS (Rien à signaler) so, looks like it did pretty good.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:04 pm

Konxibus,
Thanks for the info.

I'm sure video of the tests will be available sometime.
 
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:18 pm

Thanks for everyone's contributions to answering my question and the "as it happened" information flow.

Nice to have a civil thread.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:35 am

I spotted what I believed to R-R logos on the nacelles on the latter part of the video and then spotted the reg F-WWDD which is s/n 004!!!

I am amazed by just how quiet both the R-R and now the Engine Alliance powered A380's are on take off and like others have said, how effortless it seems for these massive aircraft to get airborne.

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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:52 am

Yes it has flown. And apparently the captain was fairly amazed by the performance under difficult weather conditions (they landed under heavy rain)

Detailed report on Yahoo France, for those who can read French:
http://fr.biz.yahoo.com/25082006/202...enue-les-difficultes-recentes.html

The title is as such : the American engines of the A380 reduces the recent difficulties.


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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:06 am

According to http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...8_25_a380_EA_flight_completed.html
they logged 4hrs and 10 minutes on the first flight.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting A380Heavy (Reply 41):
I am amazed by just how quiet both the R-R and now the Engine Alliance powered A380's are on take off and like others have said, how effortless it seems for these massive aircraft to get airborne.

Everything is relative, believe me, these four suckers (no offence here, just meant air suckers) can be LOUD.

Of course this is when you are standing 30 meters in front of them when they are being started. Big grin

But when you are in the cabin, NOTHING  drool 

But you will be pleased to hear that there are obvious differences between the EA and the RR. The EA has got this distinct CF6-80 sound, i.e. when you are standing in front of it, very whinney. I wish I could explain better.
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:17 am

Also, in the A380 Navigator you find the videos of the take off and of the landing made by this "first-flight" A380... I recommend checking it out.... I particularly LOVE the 2nd video, when it lands in the middle of the torrential rain..... I tell you folks, the landing of the A380 seems a little fast yet almost perfect, especially of the main gear at it seems to land smooth (the front seems as though it bounces a little bit, perhaps due to speed?)... nevertheless a superb first flight!

Here is the link to the 2nd video! Check it out:
A380EA video highlights

Also, from watching the video, is it me, or are the EA Engines not as big in diamater as the RR ones?... could someone give me the specs of both Engines to see if they are indeed the same? Somehow I see them a little narrower, but could be just the camera shot...
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:20 am

Since no response to my question, I thought I would ask again just in case someone has some information...
What is the diameter of the EA engines and of the RR engines in the A380? Actually, a full specs on both engines would be greatly appreciated... anyone knows it or can tell me where to find it? I have tried but I find so many links that point me in the wrong direction, so I thought I would ask.... thanks!!
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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 46):
Since no response to my question, I thought I would ask again just in case someone has some information...
What is the diameter of the EA engines and of the RR engines in the A380? Actually, a full specs on both engines would be greatly appreciated... anyone knows it or can tell me where to find it? I have tried but I find so many links that point me in the wrong direction, so I thought I would ask.... thanks!!

Trent 900 116" diameter:
www.rolls-royce.com/civil_aerospace/...erview/devel/trent900_factfile.pdf

GP7200 also 116" diameter:
http://www.enginealliance.com/gpspec.html

Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 44):
But you will be pleased to hear that there are obvious differences between the EA and the RR. The EA has got this distinct CF6-80 sound, i.e. when you are standing in front of it, very whinney. I wish I could explain better.

Please elaborate. I'm curious if the Trents have the 777's "spaztic blender" sound during takeoff.

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RE: A380/GP7200 First Flight?

Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 47):
Trent 900 116" diameter:
www.rolls-royce.com/civil_aerospace/...erview/devel/trent900_factfile.pdf

GP7200 also 116" diameter:
http://www.enginealliance.com/gpspec.html

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