MSYtristar
Topic Author
Posts: 7543
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:52 am

Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:05 pm

Just curious, but did DL have the decency to put up some sort of a small display in Terminal 3 honoring Pan Am? Are there any visual reminders of the Pan Am days at JFK? You'd think the airport would have at least something for the public to look at (besides the terminal itself obviously) to bring back memories of the Clippers.

I've yet to make it to JFK but I need to get there sooner or later and take a stroll through the Pan Am Worldport.
 
spartanmjf
Posts: 458
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:31 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:30 pm

The Worldport itself, and yes it is not in its prime, can tell you a lot about the spirit of America's Airline to the World.

About five or six years ago I few through and found a fairly old bathroom that had a heavy dose of Clipper blue tile.

You can't beat the experience.
"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
 
rjpieces
Posts: 6849
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:58 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
Are there any visual reminders of the Pan Am days at JFK?

Quite a few...A lot of the bathrooms are still in old Pan Am colors, when you are pulling up to T3 the curb on the roadway was still in Pan Am colors last time I checked, there is an old baggage belt that is no longer used near the entrance that is vintage Pan Am...

I posted about this a while back if you are interested:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2175753

If I remember correctly, somebody said that there are still remnants in the employee locker areas....I imagine you would also find other remnants in the ground ops area.

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
I've yet to make it to JFK but I need to get there sooner or later and take a stroll through the Pan Am Worldport.

You definitely should...I went a little out of my way to fly from T3 a few months back and did not regret it one bit...I arrived a few hours early and just explored every corner of the terminal, sat in the rotunda during sunset having dinner while flights were leaving to all over Europe...it was fantastic  Smile
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon"
 
User avatar
jfklganyc
Posts: 4012
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:31 pm

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:09 am

The European bank at T3 is awesome! Go visit anytime between 4 and 8 pm and you won't be disappointed. With all those planes going all over the World, the announcer with the heavy European accent, and the rotunda filled with people, the spirit of Pan Am at JFK is alive and well.


On another note, I'm pretty sure the mx hangar on the end of 13R that United uses still has a Pan Am name on top. At least it did until a few years ago.

PJ
 
panamair
Posts: 3765
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:24 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 3):
On another note, I'm pretty sure the mx hangar on the end of 13R that United uses still has a Pan Am name on top. At least it did until a few years ago.

The actual name plaque (or whatever you call it) has been removed, but you still see the imprint of the PAN AM name there...
 
DL4EVR
Posts: 635
Joined: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:46 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:41 am

The walkway from the TSA checkpoint to the rotunda alone is historical. I feel like I'm taking a trip back into the old PanAm days (which I wasn't even alive for...) every time I walk through it. I just posted a trip report w/a few pictures of it. It's really a spectacular place.
We Love To Fly And It Shows.
 
ltbewr
Posts: 12423
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:00 am

I have worked in the PanAm building (200 Park Avenue) in NY City since 1990. In a side entry lobby is a sculpure of wire suspending a globe that was a gift to Pan Am. It was retained with a sign noting the past history of the building as once the headquarters of Pan Am. I believe the website for the building also makes reference to that history.
You may also see some signs and references to Pan Am or their 'flying boat' history in parts of the Marine Ocean Terminal at LGA, used for Delta for their DCA and BOS shuttle services. that was originally built in the late 1930's for the Pan Am flying boat services, using ramps to Long Island Sound.
 
mirrodie
Posts: 6789
Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2000 3:33 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:08 am

well, if you PM me, I can direct you to a photo off site with an interesting Pan Am remnant at JFK.
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
 
Continental
Posts: 5222
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2000 3:46 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:08 am

Thanks DL4EVR for the pictures. I was actually in T3 in December 2004 when I was flying in from MSP on Sun Country. I remember walking into the terminal (took a long time to walk from the aircraft to the terminal because the jetway/walk-in area is VERY long) and agreeing with my family that this place was a dump. I specifically remember the narrow corridors and blue tile in the bathrooms and walkways. I would have appreciated it A LOT more if I had know it was old Pan Am stuff. Regardless, on the way back I had time to just look around the terminal and enjoyed it very much. Hopefully I can go back and visit soon!!
 
rjpieces
Posts: 6849
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:58 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
The actual name plaque (or whatever you call it) has been removed, but you still see the imprint of the PAN AM name there...

Yeah, I remember being sad when they took it down...You can still barely see the PAN AM imprint when you are driving into JFK from the Belt Parkway but I imagine it will be completely gone as nature kicks in...
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon"
 
Clipper002
Posts: 659
Joined: Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:24 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:04 am

I have some very, very vivid memories of that old building. I spent the first 21 years of my 41 year career in aviation at the Worldport and its predesesor, the UTB. IN fact that's where I met my wife who also worked for Pan Am. I've only been back once since leaving in '85 and I'd probably get lost getting around the field these days, so much has changed.

Rgds,
Ed
Ed
 
panamair
Posts: 3765
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:24 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 10):
I've only been back once since leaving in '85 and I'd probably get lost getting around the field these days, so much has changed.

Actually, you'd be surprised how much the place HAS NOT changed. Of course DL has spruced up the departures area quite a bit and the post-9/11 security set-up has really messed with the building's interior asthetic, but basically many things are still the same. The gate numbers have changed (to be a bit more logical). For example, during the PA days, Gate 1 started with the Worldport extension building (starting with the 747-capable gates) whereas Gate 1 now starts with the first gate in the Worldport rotunda area. Gates 1-7 in the old days is basically Gates 4-10 today. Gates 10-12 are now Gates 12, 14, 15.
 
gunsontheroof
Posts: 3226
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:30 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:40 am

The only time I flew into JFK (1999) it didn't occur to me to look for anything like that (I probably wouldn't have noticed anyways), but I can remember there being a few PanAm baggage carts lurking around the terminal at SEA during the late 1990s.
 
HAVIK747
Posts: 92
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:46 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:45 am

FYI the SFO Airport Museum is currentlly having a display on Pan American .... very nice if I say so! And the old Pan American logo is still visable on the old Pan Am offices in Honolulu! Sure do miss the Clippers!
 
aviateur
Posts: 562
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:25 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 3):
The European bank at T3 is awesome! Go visit anytime between 4 and 8 pm and you won't be disappointed. With all those planes going all over the World, the announcer with the heavy European accent, and the rotunda filled with people, the spirit of Pan Am at JFK is alive and well.

You know, nobody is a bigger aero-romantic than I am, but the old Pan Am Worldport is a disgrace. It's filthy, dungeonous, and ludicrously undersized for the number of passengers DL funnels through there. The lower-level immigration facilities are the worst of any airport in North America, and during the afternoon departure push the check-in lines become truly unbearable.

DL finally got smart and moved its BizElite check in to Terminal 2, but up until recently even premium pax were forced to deal with those horrendous lines.

Worst of all, you can't plane-spot from the roof anymore. When I was in eighth grade, a friend and I made a pilgrimage to the Worldport all the way from Boston for a day of planespotting. It was 1979. I remember an Iran Air 747 docked at one of the PA gates.

PS

www.askthepilot.com
Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
 
jetdeltamsy
Posts: 2688
Joined: Tue Nov 14, 2000 11:51 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:59 am

There is very little, if any reference to PanAm in the Delta Worldport.

It is perfectly normal and acceptable for one company to eliminate reference to the brand they have purchased and integrated into their system.

Nostalgia is fine, but it's hardly an ethical requirement for an acquiring company.
Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
 
turpentyine
Posts: 131
Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:04 pm

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 14):
You know, nobody is a bigger aero-romantic than I am, but the old Pan Am Worldport is a disgrace. It's filthy, dungeonous, and ludicrously undersized for the number of passengers DL funnels through there. The lower-level immigration facilities are the worst of any airport in North America, and during the afternoon departure push the check-in lines become truly unbearable.

I agree a hundred percent. The main international check in area in the back has the line stretching outside almost all the way to the bottom of the hill during peak hours. Every few days somebody faints in that line because of the unbearable summer heat, and then there is fist fights between passenegers...

The way Delta is managing the place is a disgrace. If I was a passenger going through there during the peak hours I would never fly the airline again after that experience.

Speaking of Pan Am. On top of the closed roof parking lot there is a huge sign that says Welcome to Pan Am World Port.
 
rjpieces
Posts: 6849
Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:58 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Aviateur (Reply 14):
I remember an Iran Air 747 docked at one of the PA gates.

Amazing how times change...Although I'm sure that 747 is still around and probably has visited JFK a few times since then! They had a 747 SP in JFK last September for the UN gathering...
"Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon"
 
LHMark
Posts: 7048
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2000 2:18 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:36 pm

The Worldport is my favorite airport terminal ever, and I am a total terminal junkie. I love the haphazard nature of the structure, built while folks were just getting a feel for the Jet Age, and expanded when people were just learning how to deal with widebodies. I love those little niches into which the PA 747s would poke their noses, and the short jetways that mated so perfectly with the big jumbos.

Some of my earliest and greatest aviation memories were of that terminal. It's probably coming to the end of its useful life, but it'll always be surrounded by blue and white in my memories.
"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
 
MSYtristar
Topic Author
Posts: 7543
Joined: Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:52 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 15):
Delta Worldport

Pan Am Worldport. It just sounds better.
 
tbear815
Posts: 689
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:14 pm

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 15):
There is very little, if any reference to PanAm in the Delta Worldport.

It is perfectly normal and acceptable for one company to eliminate reference to the brand they have purchased and integrated into their system.

Nostalgia is fine, but it's hardly an ethical requirement for an acquiring company.

It's understood that when DL acquired PA, PA had horrible management. But PA's legacy is something DL could have gracefully and stylistically incorporated in their marketing. To create new, we must learn from the old. Now look where DL is. They once had a wonderful reputation. With DL, PA, and WA all mixed up, the whole thing seems messed up.

Management styles and philosophies change. But why is it that the airlines are so full of illogical actions? I've only flown into the Worldport when it was PA. Never flew out (other carriers) and haven't been there since it was PA. What a shame that such evolution happens. Oh well, whatever....
 
FlyDeltaJets
Posts: 1631
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:24 pm

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 18):
I love those little niches into which the PA 747s would poke their noses, and the short jetways that mated so perfectly with the big jumbos.

Gates 4-6 and 12-15 are the worse gates to be parking a 75 or 76 on in the rain or snow because if the plane slides just a couple inches past the line you gotta push it back to get the bridge on.
The only valid opinions are those based in facts
 
deltaffindfw
Posts: 1388
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:42 am

RE: Any Signs Of Pan Am Left At JFK?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:22 pm

I did notice a year or so ago that at the end of some of the jetways in the rotunda area were signs with "Pan Am Worldport" on them next to the numbers to call for jetway assistance.