samair
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747 Downstairs Galley?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:39 pm

hello!
i was lead to belive that 1 type of the 747 has a downstairs galley with lifts is this true??
the captain has now dimmed the lights for take off this is a routine procedure for flights during the hours of darkness!
 
dtwclipper
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:48 pm

Yes it is true. I believe it was an option offered to the airlines.
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:51 pm

UA operated them thats for sure. Cannot remember if it was on on the 741 or 2. I dont think it was there SP's, I am sure they had the long galleys on those. Somebody, will put me right I am sure.
 
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:14 pm

AA,UA and QF all had lower galleys on their 747 Classics. The AA and UA planes had one located in each of the forward and rear cargo compartments, while QF only had one installed (IIRC in the forward cargo).
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hiflyer
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:38 pm

Just as a heads up a couple of the AA birds and 7 of the UA birds went to Pan Am late 80's and the lower deck units were removed.
 
Broocy
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:08 am

Small correction, the QF 747-200's had lower deck galleys installed in the rear cargo hold. They called it the "lower lobe galley". (I hope that refers to the location and not the brain power needed to operate it!)
 
albydal
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:26 am

In the movie Executive Decision there is a galley shown that appears to be below the main deck- accessed by an elevator. Kurt Russell hangs down in the elevator shaft by a cable. I believe that the plane was supposed to be a 744 judging by the exterior shots, which I know has no bearing on what they used as sets for the movie.  Wink
 
L1011Lover
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting ALbyDAL (Reply 6):
In the movie Executive Decision there is a galley shown that appears to be below the main deck- accessed by an elevator. Kurt Russell hangs down in the elevator shaft by a cable. I believe that the plane was supposed to be a 744 judging by the exterior shots, which I know has no bearing on what they used as sets for the movie.

Actually the plane was supposed to be a 747-100 or 200, judging by the exterior shots. It was definitely a classic 747.

The interior also looked more like the refurbished/retrofitted cabins of older 747 models, with the bigger sidebins (Pan Am called them "superbins") but the center bins remained the original early 747 pull-down bins. The sidewalls and panels also look like a retrofitted 747 classic.

The only things that might lead you to believe it could be a 744 is the straight stairs to the upperdeck instead of the spiral staircase on the older 747´s and the flightdeck, which is a 2 men cockpit. But oh well, it´s just a movie.

I believe that the interior actually looks like the late 80´s, early 90´s interior of Pan Am´s retrofitted 747´s. Anyone can confirm this?

And the name of the carrier is Oceanic Airlines, so it could be kind of a Pan Am like carrier. I don´t see Oceanic flying from Boise to Chicago or Milwaukee to Dallas  Big grin

However, I really liked that movie.

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RyanAFAMSP
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:43 pm

United had the lower lobe galley on all of the original 747-122s, as well as the five 747-123s that came from American. All aircraft had forward and aft lower lobe galleys, with cart and personell elevators at crossaisle 2 and crossaisle 4. By the middle 1990s, the -122s were on their way out, as they were three class birds being replaced by 747-400s. The two class -123s lasted the longest, doing high density routes like SFO-ORD and HNL-NRT in a C42/Y408 configuration until about 1999.

United's DC-10s originally also had lower lobe galleys, but the aircraft were reconfigured to main deck galley configuration in the late 1980s as the cargo market became more lucrative. By the mid-1990s, only the DC-10-30s and the one ex-Western DC-10-10 had the lower galleys.

United originally had widebody specific flight attendant domiciles. Crews would only work DC-10 and 747 trips. The flight attendants really got to know the lower galleys, and loved the space and privacy of working downstairs. By my days as a flight attendant in the late 1990s, domestic narrowbody and widebody flying had been merged, and people hated the lower-lobe airplanes as they just didn't know them. I got thrown downstairs working the "pit" on an ex British Caledonian DC-10-30 once on a 6am SFO-ORD and it was a nightmare (especially as the DC-10 only had a forward lower lobe galley and you had to prep both the first class and coach service).

The 747SPs did not have a lower lobe galley. They had the longitudinal galley running parallel to the cabin wall along the left side of the business cabin in B-zone. This galley was long enough to serve all three classes of service.
 
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:03 pm

RyanAFAMSP-The lower galley of the DC-10 was much loved by the regulars at the original National. Both the DC10-10 and the 10-30 had a group of F/A's that would select that position to work if given the chance, myself on the other hand preferred to work upstairs organizing things by the lifts. Also the SP's longitudinal galley between R1 and R2 only served F/C (both downstairs and 2nd meals for upstairs and downstairs) and the business(or in our language "Clipper Class"). Did United change that when you got them from PanAm?
 
samair
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting ALbyDAL (Reply 6):
In the movie Executive Decision there is a galley shown that appears to be below the main deck- accessed by an elevator. Kurt Russell hangs down in the elevator shaft by a cable. I believe that the plane was supposed to be a 744 judging by the exterior shots, which I know has no bearing on what they used as sets for the movie.

Thats why i came up with this forum after watching the film!
the captain has now dimmed the lights for take off this is a routine procedure for flights during the hours of darkness!
 
SafetyDude
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 7):
Actually the plane was supposed to be a 747-100 or 200, judging by the exterior shots. It was definitely a classic 747.

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Though in the final scene when Halle Berry opens up the flight manual, it says "747-400".

Here's the history of the bird, N707CK via Air Fleets (http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-21541.htm)

Quote:
28/07/1978 Kuwait Airways 9K-ADA
26/11/1987 Egyptair 9K-ADA
01/12/1988 Garuda 9K-ADA
01/01/1990 Kuwait Airways 9K-ADA
09/08/1995 American Int Airways N707CK Painted in Oceanic Airlines colors for a Steven Segal movie, "Executive Decision" (1995)
03/02/1999 Kitty Hawk N707CK
11/12/2000 Kalitta Air N707CK
04/06/2004 Airfreight Express N801KH
23/09/2004 Ocean Airlines S2-ADT

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aa777223er
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RE: 747 Downstairs Galley?

Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:10 am

Here is an old diagram:

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-202/p186.jpg

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