Biddleonia007
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Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:21 pm

Interesting article/link attached.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...kies/2006/08/09/1154802961838.html

Geoff Dixon from Qantas is making noises re UA etc. Think he needs a reality check on this one. After all, is not Qanats forever threatening to relocate maintenace/operations etc away from Australia in exchange for regulatory protection ie SQ flying Australia to US. Cant have it both ways mate. Would be good to have other options apart from Qantas, AirNZ and UA on the busy MEL/SYD - LA/SFO routes.

[Edited 2006-08-10 08:23:27]
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:43 pm

I Belive US Govt Policy is Open Skies with anyone, but its usally the otherside holding back...
 
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting COSPN (Reply 1):
I Belive US Govt Policy is Open Skies with anyone, but its usally the otherside holding back...

Yes, the title of this thread is a little misleading.
it's actually the americans, led by UA, asking Australia for an open skies agreement.

in this case the australians are backing away from it?

why?
because singapore also has an open skies with the USA, and if Australia-USA becomes open skies, then the reasoning behind blocking SQ from entering the market is diminished.

Quoting Biddleonia007 (Thread starter):
Think he needs a reality check on this one. After all, is not Qanats forever threatening to relocate maintenace/operations etc away from Australia in exchange for regulatory protection ie SQ flying Australia to US. Cant have it both ways mate. Would be good to have other options apart from Qantas, AirNZ and UA on the busy MEL/SYD - LA/SFO routes.

couldn't agree more. I wonder how qantas will sell this one to canberra.
 
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:24 pm

I wonder if an "Open Skies" with the US really will achieve a lot of benefit to the US-based airlines (or, looking further, US-based aircraft manufacturers). If it does I'm sure it would have been signed already, with all those free trade agreements that were signed away not too long ago. Maybe the Americans just didn't see the point in pushing this one and let the Howard Government have its way?

Would an Open Skies benefit airlines like DJ, SQ more rather than UA or any other American carrier? Would it actually be detrimental to American carriers?
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:13 am

Singapore has given Qantas fifth freedom rights to Europe for years; perhaps it should show Qantas what life would be like without these rights ...

Quid quo pro. Take a little, give a little. Frankly, Singapore's patience is quite admirable, but that said, Qantas needs to fly through SIN (or other points) to get to Europe, whereas there's no real logic to SQ flying to the US from Australia. Maybe SQ should just buy a stake in DJ and let them do the job.
 
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 3):
I wonder if an "Open Skies" with the US really will achieve a lot of benefit to the US-based airlines (or, looking further, US-based aircraft manufacturers). If it does I'm sure it would have been signed already, with all those free trade agreements that were signed away not too long ago. Maybe the Americans just didn't see the point in pushing this one and let the Howard Government have its way?

US carriers have a major presense in North America, especially Japan.

Years ago, up to the mid 1990s I believe, NW operated from USA to Australia via Japan, but the Australian Govt imposed a 50% uplift of Japan traffic to Australia.
Under an open skies, this would totally be lifted, and US carriers could operate from Australia to Japan with full rights.
QF currently enjoys a VERY cosy relationship with JAL between Australia and Japan..

Food for thought.
 
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:35 am

I would love to see QF flying their long proposed SYD-DFW in brand new B-747-8Is.
 
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:54 am

Quote:
Singapore yesterday claimed Australian aviation policy was in "complete confusion" after a policy review earlier this year that prevented it launching flights across the Pacific. "What sort of policy approach is it that sees a minister say he will reconsider SQ on the route if the Americans don't grant approvals to Jetstar?" Singapore spokesman Stephen Forshaw said. "Do we now argue to the Americans to keep JQ off the route until there's an open skies agreement, so that we get the opportunity? "This is another case of the Australian Government seeking to pick winners, and it's not the way to run aviation policy." Singapore yesterday claimed Australian aviation policy was in "complete confusion" after a policy review earlier this year that prevented it launching flights across the Pacific. "What sort of policy approach is it that sees a minister say he will reconsider SQ on the route if the Americans don't grant approvals to JQ?" SQ spokesman Stephen Forshaw said. "Do we now argue to the Americans to keep JQ off the route until there's an open skies agreement, so that we get the opportunity? "This is another case of the Australian Government seeking to pick winners, and it's not the way to run aviation policy."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,20085300-23349,00.html
 
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RE: Australia Seeks "Open Skies" Agreement With US

Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:03 am

The whole argument by Qantas that it's in the interests of Australia to not allow extra capacity to US carriers and bar SQ from flying AUS-US while Qantas itself has threated to move maintenace off shore, at the expense of Australian jobs. Qantas will use the national interests argument when it suits them and without fail, every time, the government will fall for it.

Qantas cries foul about other airlines which are government backed. Qantas are using government policy to be protected from competition. Kind of hypocritical. Qantas management needs to wake up and smell the cheese.