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Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:17 am

What are airlines/ airports doing about in flights amenity kits and duty free sales with all the liquid/ gel restrictions?
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:58 am

In-flight kits can be tampered with on the ground. Getting the "right ones" into the hands of the right passengers would require several conspirators including FAs, but its possible.

However various procedures can be used to defeat this.
Nothing too mysterious. Could be they are already in use.

I imagine sales of just about anything inside of security are going downhill pretty quick. If you can't take it on the plane, no sense in buying it. I'm sure the airlines are trying to gate-check a reasonable amount of items, but I wouldn't be surprised to see gate-check rules change considerably.
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:01 am

Unable to sell any duty free items such as liquor, lotions, perfumes, etc. onboard the UK-US flights today....Not sure where it goes from here.

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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 2):
Unable to sell any duty free items such as liquor

I've never understood why bottles of alcohol could be brought onto a plane. Break a couple of bottles, light it up, and you've got one hell of a problem.
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 2):
Unable to sell any duty free items such as liquor, lotions, perfumes, etc. onboard the UK-US flights today....Not sure where it goes from here.

May be the new business model for duty free will be "You buy now, and we will mail them to you!!". FedEx, UPS, DHL should get on this bandwagon now and promote this at the airports.... I as a passenger would love that as I do not have carry that around....

Or like AMS shops, See, Buy, Fly... change to See, Buy, Fly.... Carry Not...
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting Outlier (Reply 3):
Break a couple of bottles, light it up, and you've got one hell of a problem.

It always seems funny how non terrorist people come up with the worst ideas... for instance, if Captain has to use the lav on some airlines a F/A HAS to be in the cockpit, well the other pilot has a big oxygen mask on and Peripheral Visibility isn't the best. So a Terrorist works as a F/A and when they go into the cockpit kill the other pilot (some airlines use metal knives in First class) and then the plane is all theirs, as they can deny access to the pilot whos trying to get in from the lav.

Now of course I wouldn't suggest anyone doing this. there are so many thing that could go wrong on an airplane that it would be really hard to stop all of them. I just got to say, those people on the plane in the UK got lucky, and the other people that would have gotten harmed.

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:25 am

You can not import alcohol into the U.S. without a liquor license. Duty-Free alcohol turned over to FedEx, UPS, et al would never make it to the person who bought it.
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Outlier (Reply 3):
I've never understood why bottles of alcohol could be brought onto a plane. Break a couple of bottles, light it up, and you've got one hell of a problem.

Quit giving the terrorists ideas!  Wink

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 5):
some airlines use metal knives in First class

Those little dull butter knives we get up in First and Biz aren't going to give anybody anything worse than a good bruise.  Wink You know I'm kidding but those dull knives are the least of our worries.

As for the Duty Free thing I heard on the news today that the companies at ATL (or maybe it was just in general) were going to be meeting with TSA I believe today to discuss this since it cuts into their income greatly.
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:19 am

There are non-duty free stores on the airside of security that will have issues with their products... Boston Logan has a Bath and Body Shop as well as L'Occutane.... 90% of what they sell are now verboten on the plane, at least for now!
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 4):
May be the new business model for duty free will be "You buy now, and we will mail them to you!!".

Schiphol has had that as an option for several years now. I assume other airports have the same facilities.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:24 am

What's happened to the Duty Free shops in the UK? If passengers can't bring anything on board other than travel docs, have the Duty Free shops all shut down?
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:34 am

In the US the ban for all duty free purchases remain for all UK bound flights, duty free operators in the US are being allowed to deliver items to the plane, not sure when those items are handed to passengers, I would imagine that would be returned by the crew at the end of the flight.
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
Quit giving the terrorists ideas!

Gosh, I thought I was safe with that one!

Just goes back to what most of us understand, it doesn't take some sort of "special" complicated idea to disrupt and cause problems.

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 5):
It always seems funny how non terrorist people come up with the worst ideas...

Oh? Are you a terrorist who knows what good ideas are?

If you think "my idea" is bad, what do you think such an action would be intended to accomplish?

Just making a point my friend, regarding how "safe" we've been since 9.11 stopped us from taking "weapons" onboard.
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:48 am

Per the airport's web site:

Further information
Passengers will be able to purchase items from the departures lounge once they have passed through security and carry these onto the aircraft. However, if you are travelling to the USA, you will be able to purchase goods for consumption in the airport but no additional items, other than those on the list, can be carried onto the aircraft. These passengers may be subject to a secondary search at the departure gate before boarding. Any items not on the approved list will be removed.


That must be hitting the duty free shops pretty hard. Transatlantic flights must comprise at least 50% of most of the longhaul traffic at Heathrow. That much loss in revenue must really be hitting the retailers pretty hard.
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Johnclipper (Reply 6):
You can not import alcohol into the U.S. without a liquor license.

Since when? Each person over the age of 21, entering or returning to, the United States may bring in 1 liter of alcohol duty free.
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 15):
Since when? Each person over the age of 21, entering or returning to, the United States may bring in 1 liter of alcohol duty free.

When you buy duty free and turn it over for shipment, it is no longer duty free. Items mailed must pass customs and liquor cannot be mailed in this manner legally. You are correct, though. You can CARRY on your person 1 liter of alcohol through customs duty free.
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:41 am

Yes, if you CARRY it with you upon entry into the US it is legal. However, if you buy wine in France for example, and decide that you bought too much and want to ship the rest back as air freight or courier service, it will arrive into the States, but you will never see it again. I have had U.S. Customs agents pour perfectly good Port into garbage bins or down the drain.
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 17):
Yes, if you CARRY it with you upon entry into the US it is legal. However, if you buy wine in France for example, and decide that you bought too much and want to ship the rest back as air freight or courier service, it will arrive into the States, but you will never see it again. I have had U.S. Customs agents pour perfectly good Port into garbage bins or down the drain.

The rule states you can bring in 1 Liter of alcohol DUTY FREE. It does not say you can not bring in more than then 1 Liter. All you have to do is declare everything over 1 liter and pay the duty. That is why they have two lines at Customs "Items to Declare" and "Nothing to Declare".
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:01 pm

Yes, but most people either don't realize that or want to go through the hassle of the "Items to Declare" line for a fear of them finding other things, so they arrange for the items to be shipped back.
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting Outlier (Reply 13):
Oh? Are you a terrorist who knows what good ideas are?

No. I was just saying that because I've heard of different ways that terrorist could take over the plane, from other people. I should have said that non-terrorist people are able to think of ideas, I wasn't trying to point out exactly what you had said.

the airlines in America are still passing out drinks on flights (tell me if I'm incorrect) yet they say you can't bring your own liquids on board.

No hard feelings outlier, I hope.

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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 17):
I have had U.S. Customs agents pour perfectly good Port into garbage bins or down the drain.

I Guess I was just lucky- on a journey to Spain last April, I brought home a few bottles of this and that, a few more bottles of this and that, and 2 bottles of sangria... I guess I was lucky that they didnt search me!  Smile
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:00 pm

Flew VS19 to SFO on Friday from LHR in Upper Class and they did NOT hand out any amenity kits. Only slippers and eyeshades !

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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 20):
Quoting Outlier (Reply 13):
Oh? Are you a terrorist who knows what good ideas are?
No. I was just saying that because I've heard of different ways that terrorist could take over the plane, from other people. I should have said that non-terrorist people are able to think of ideas, I wasn't trying to point out exactly what you had said.

Ok, the imagination thing.

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 20):
the airlines in America are still passing out drinks on flights (tell me if I'm incorrect) yet they say you can't bring your own liquids on board.

No hard feelings outlier, I hope.

You have to keep in mind that supposedly beverages served on board have come from known, secure sources, handled by approved persons. The unknown is the bottle of water, etc you bring yourself. There is a difference - or should be anyway.

Think about how you would do it (get liquid explosives on board) both ways, and I think you will find its easier if you can just carry it "openly" with you onto the plane.

No, no hard feelings.

I much prefer to bring my own water etc. than to wait for the FAs to get to me. Everything is a risk in some manner. I think the restrictions will continue to ease, and the focus will increasingly be on the people not the possible things they might use.
 
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RE: Amenity Kits/ Duty Free And Carry On....

Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:47 pm

Security aside, in terms of passenger comfort the airlines have to step up. I'm not too keen on flying 20+ hours from Sydney to Chicago with no deodorant, toothpaste, or especially alcohol!

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