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RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:51 pm

RegionsAir has withdrawn the bids it placed to provide subsidized Essential Air Service at Lancaster, PA, that involved service to Newark.

See http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf97/408371_web.pdf.

RegionsAir still has two bids to provide only LNS-CLE service. They will not be chosen, nor would the LNS-EWR bids have been chosen for that matter. Air Midwest will be reselected to provide subsidized EAS at LNS, with US Airways Express service to PIT.

The RegionsAir bids to EWR are being withdrawn because Continental told RegionsAir that it would not permit them to operate as Continental Connection at EWR. RegionsAir knew that going in, yet chose to apply anyway, just as it knew that it wouldn't be able to get the Delta Connection codeshare at CVG when it promised that to PKB/MGW/CKB, and just as it knew that it wouldn't be able to get the US Airways Express codeshare at CLT when it attempted to promise that to BKW/BLF.

As a result of this application to EWR that RegionsAir knew it couldn't fulfill, they've gone and convinced the LNS community that their existing service is inadequate and useless, and getting the LNS community's hopes up that they'd get the EWR service that RegionsAir can't provide. RegionsAir's rhetoric has hurt Air Midwest's boardings at LNS, costing them money, and the community's disappointment at not getting the EWR service will now hurt Air Midwest's boardings even more. This at a time when Lancaster needs desperately to prove to an airline that it can support unsubsidized air service, since it will be dropped from the EAS program in one year. RegionsAir and their empty promises have cost LNS what little chance it had to retain commercial air service after next year.

In other RegionsAir news, they appear to have set August 17th as a start date for their CLE-BFD/JHW service. RegionsAir is thus *planning* on starting their service two months after they're obligated to by the terms of their bid. As usual, RegionsAir still does not have aircraft for this service, almost nine months after bidding on it. I wouldn't get my hopes up that they'll be starting service on the 17th, either, as they were *six months late* in starting service at PKB/MGW/CKB. Together with their unreliable service, they have decimated boardings at the West Virginia cities, totally ruining their air service. Within the next six years, I expect CKB to go over the $200 per passenger cap and be dropped from the EAS program due to the lower boardings, thus losing all air service, directly as a result of RegionsAir.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:52 pm

Heh, that's classic! It would be even funnier were it not for the fact that people are going to lose air connectivity thanks to the incompetence of an airline.

 

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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:59 pm

this is the second time now in two days I have seen mentioned or read a note about a $200 cap. I don't understand that too well and have searched and searched for it and can't find any info on it. Where does that figure come from and what is that number based upon? How many communities does that cap affect also, because I was reading the Enid and somewhere else in the midwest is about to lose service because of losing their EAS subsidy and it was related to this $200 per person cap. All info would be appreciated, and I am computer stupid, any links also would help.
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:39 pm

That figure is based on... Congressional fiat. The EAS law was rewritten to state that a city which is less than 210 miles away from a medium hub airport cannot receive a per-passenger subsidy greater than $200. If it goes over, it loses its EAS eligibility permanently.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:47 pm

It's a shame that ZV doesn't add a couple trips to PHL to give better connections to the folks in LNS, although I believe there are no 1900's in PHL anymore.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting A330323X (Thread starter):
Air Midwest will be reselected to provide subsidized EAS at LNS, with US Airways Express service to PIT.

GREAT NEWS!

Quoting Nkops (Reply 4):
It's a shame that ZV doesn't add a couple trips to PHL to give better connections to the folks in LNS, although I believe there are no 1900's in PHL anymore.

HA, where are the people of LNS flying to that they can't get to from PIT? US Airways provides service from PIT to just about every major destination in the United States!

Major destinations with no service from US Airways at PIT:

DFW
IAH
ATL
DTW

Other than these four I am not sure what the problem is...
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:22 pm

I wonder if CO rescinded some earlier promise of linkage at EWR in light of Regions dubious achievements in CLE. After arranging the codeshare in CLE, Regions must have had some idea of what was possible with CO in the future before they presented the LNS-EWR option to the DOT.

My guess is that CO didn't want to risk further embarrassment in EWR, already plagued with delays.
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:06 pm

Interesting development. The Lancaster Airport Authority, on their own initiative, modified Regions' proposal, changed the price, and requested the DOT approve. (Presumably Regions already does.) LAA in brief said they preferred a CLE hub connection to PIT because CLE has more connecting possibilities, Regions offered bigger planes, and CLE was a better chance to get the route off subsidy by Sept, '07, when their subsidy will end. They felt that Regions proposal of 2 CLE dailies (for $1.4 million) was good if a third flight could be added on Mondays and Fridays for only about $200,000 more per year - approximately totalling what the DOT was paying AirMidwest under the current arrangement.

AirMidwest had previously reduced their price for the 3 PIT dailies to $1.4 million from the current $1.6 million.

Further details at:

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf97/409230_web.pdf
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:21 pm

Note the bit at the end about trying to wind up with unsubsidized service because the EAS eligibility for LNS expires on 9/30/07.

RegionsAir operates *zero* flights which aren't subsidized by either the federal government or a parent codeshare airline. Meanwhile, Air Midwest operates several destinations at-risk, on its own and without outside financing.

Secondly, based on RegionsAir's stellar record of operations, it's likely that they'd be able to begin operations on the LNS-CLE route... sometime in July, 2007.

If I was LNS, I know exactly which airline I'd trust to 1. operate my flights reliably and 2. give me a prayer at keeping service after the EAS money goes away.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 8):
If I was LNS, I know exactly which airline I'd trust

Yes, but you have to admire Regions salesmanship to sell Lancaster on making the proposal and Lancaster's initiative in putting another choice forward. Many of these EAS cities seem barely aware of what's happening.

I expect DOT will award the route to the lowest bidder, AirMidwest, whose reputation isn't altogether sterling either.
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:09 pm

I guess LNS didn't confirm that modified proposal with Regions; Regions withdrew all their options yesterday.

Air Midwest, the last man standing, will be the winner. Now we have to wait a year to see whether LNS loses all service, which is what LNS predicted would happen if AMW kept the route.
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:34 pm

Heh. I'm wondering if Regions is realizing that they don't have enough Saabs to run the flights they have now, never mind adding more destinations.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:06 pm

Regions has finally got CLE-West Virginia going more or less reliably, with BFD/JHW expansion to come. Aug 24th was mentioned this week in the Bradford Era as the latest guess for a start date, although there is nothing yet in the CO reservations system. That schedule will be a challenge requiring all 3 Saabs to operate at once.

The Saab introduction has to have been very expensive for a small operation like Regions and they probably don't want to risk additional losses on a new route that extends even farther from their maintenance base in TN until all the bugs are worked out of the new planes. As pointed out in another thread, 2 out their 3 Saabs were last flown by a bankrupt carrier and then parked for a couple of years in a humid, salty environment. That is a guarantee of mx headaches.
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:50 am

Courtesy: The Lancaster New Era

Lancaster Airport Service Will Connect to Cleveland

http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic.../article.jsp?siteSection=4&id=7677
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:18 am

That article is outdated and misleading, not to mention flat out wrong. The airport authority doesn't get to choose the EAS service, the DOT does. Looks like they jumped the gun  Smile
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting A330323X (Thread starter):
Together with their unreliable service, they have decimated boardings at the West Virginia cities, totally ruining their air service.

I've been as big a critic as anyone of Regions, with the shoddy start-up in CLE to MGW, PKB, CKB. But I've always been one to give someone credit when it's due: they're reliability and dependability, in the last 3 weeks, has improved dramatically, and they're running an overwhelming majority of their flights on time these days.

As for "decimating" boardings, I wouldn't say that. CO9875 CLE-MGW today, the 18th of Aug, went out with 20 of 30 seats taken. 9881 to PKB, always the lighter of the two, went out with 10, and went out with 18 the other day.

They're getting there. Obviously their service to BFD/JHW yet, but I would start expecting the announcement on that in the near future.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
As for "decimating" boardings, I wouldn't say that. CO9875 CLE-MGW today, the 18th of Aug, went out with 20 of 30 seats taken. 9881 to PKB, always the lighter of the two, went out with 10, and went out with 18 the other day.

That's counter to the traffic estimates used in the DOT case. PKB was supposed to be the star performer - maybe they need some more marketing there. OTOH, if MGW is doing better than expected, Regions should be very happy. It's a college town; it SHOULD do well.
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 16):
That's counter to the traffic estimates used in the DOT case. PKB was supposed to be the star performer - maybe they need some more marketing there

That could be because of the negataive publicity the bad start-up generated. But I think both CO and Regions are hoping that now things seem to be going much smoother, that the loads will start to increase. I think they will, to be honest.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting A330323X (Thread starter):
They will not be chosen

Err, they were chosen.
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
Err, they were chosen.

Ummm, no they weren't. RTFT. RegionsAir just withdrew all their bids, making it a fait accompli that Air Midwest will be selected to continue providing EAS service to PIT.

A330323X is very rarely wrong when it comes to EAS stuff  Wink

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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:21 am

Well service, from what I have seen, Has picked up pretty good the past 3-4 weeks. I'd say the past three weeks have gone about 90-95% on time and almost 100% on completion. Loads are picking up also. PKB the other morning was 28 out of 30 and ive seen 24 personally on MGW/CKB round-robins. Its coming around.

Now with 4 aircraft, we do have the aircraft, despite what some ignorant (in the true meaning of the word) people on here believe.


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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 20):
Now with 4 aircraft, we do have the aircraft,

Good news. Do you know where the 4th aircraft came from?
 
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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:01 am

N108PX came from Fina Air
N112PX also from Fina
N148SD came from Shuttle America
N140CQ im not sure, but its out on the the line at the moment.


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RE: RegionsAir Withdraws LNS-EWR Bids

Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:59 am

N108PX wow thats a very old SF340. I beleive Comair had it new, then Express Airlines, then not sure after that, I guess Fina Air.