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China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:33 pm

 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:05 pm

Man, what some crews won't do to avoid crew scheduling and getting JA'd...  Wink
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:18 pm

He did the right thing, and he probably had a long time to think about it on his way here. He could probably find a flying job over here.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:49 pm

One of the interesting points of this story is how the pilot managed anyway to hold a job as international pilot with MU if he had these political and religious beliefs. I say this because my experience is that in China this sort of situation would normally lead to big problems for him with his employer, especially one as high profile as China Eastern. He could have kept his views secret, but again my experience is that it would have been very hard to do.

But my comments probably should be on the non aviation site...
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:22 pm

Always terrible when political refugees have to leave family behind.

5200 asylum cases to the US, in one year alone, must/should be a huge embarrassment to the Chinese authorities.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:40 pm

Are we talking 5200 claimed or approved.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:59 pm

Approved. I'd be very surprised if the US ever sent anyone back to China against their will.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 8:48 pm

Good for him.

Quote:
He said an airport worker with whom he'd discussed an anti-communist book and Falun Gong had turned him in.

Such a free, forward-thinking society.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:03 pm

[quote=BAtriple7,reply=7]Quote:
He said an airport worker with whom he'd discussed an anti-communist book and Falun Gong had turned him in.


Thank you, I had missed this information in the newspaper article.

Like I said earlier, keeping these sort of views secret is hard, and it is no surprise to me that he was denounced by someone. Sadly, denouncing colleagues is very frequent in China, at least in my own experience.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:30 pm

The article doesn't mention why he didn't bring his family on this flight with him. They get travel privileges, correct?
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:40 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 9):
The article doesn't mention why he didn't bring his family on this flight with him

Reading the article, it seems that he was denounced at about the time he left Shanghai, and that he seems to have made the decision on arrival at LAX. In other words, everything happened very quickly, and he just could not face returning...

As regards family travel, I don't know how Chinese airlines deal with this, but in any case getting a passport etc in China is not so simple, even if it is easier than before. It depends a lot on whether you work in the private sector, or for the government. So maybe his family (for various reasons) have no exit documents. (Of course, this is just speculation).

I imagine that MU are very unhappy with this, big loss of face for them.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:36 pm

Let's just be thankful this guy and his family aren't from North Korea. That would be tantamount to a death sentence. As far as I know, they'll be fine in China.

This would be a good thread in non-av
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Has this happen before?

Absolutely.

Reminds me of the days when East block airlines often had a "political" officer assigned to the crew to keep track of then during their layovers. Often crews had limited movement away from hotels without the escort of such minders.

Speaking of China specifically as late as the 1980s many CAAC overseas flights had such minders assigned. I even remember one fella whom would sit in the 747 cockpit on a one-leg stool!
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:09 am

After being a pilot flying to and fro from US for 10 years,how come he needs an interpreter?
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:04 am

Eksath,

Exactlt my qestion. At least he should be knowledgable about the rudementary basics in English if he was an international pilot for China Eastern. So why go through the charade of an interpreter?
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:06 am

So whats happening to this guy? Is he staying or going?

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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:09 am

So here's a question. Did the trip the next day going back get delayed?
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angele

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Eksath (Reply 13):
After being a pilot flying to and fro from US for 10 years,how come he needs an interpreter?
Because all they know is how to say clear to land and clear for takeoff. The aviation dictionary is only a few pages.

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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 16):
Did the trip the next day going back get delayed?

I think it got canxled until another Captain was flown in.

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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2):
He could probably find a flying job over here.

Wonder with who? He is flying A346 metal on that routing. Maybe NW or US?
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 11):
As far as I know, they'll be fine in China.

One can only hope. But you never know...

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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 19):
Wonder with who? He is flying A346 metal on that routing. Maybe NW or US?

If you can fly an A346, then I reckon you could fly almost anything else with a little bit of training!

Quoting ONTFlyer (Reply 20):
One can only hope. But you never know...

Reading this news and this thread made me feel sick. How often do nationals of the US, Canada, the UK, France, Brazil, Holland, New Zealand or any other free libertarian state have to claim asylum elsewhere? Never.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:34 am

He can fly an A330 as anyone who flies an A346 flies an A330 with training.

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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angele

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 14):
So why go through the charade of an interpreter?

It's not a charade, its a legal action. And you really can't afford to rely on "limited english" for it. It has to be clearly and specifically documented for your protection and for the host countries protection.

It's not like you say "I want asylum" and then you are granted it. Once you say it a whole bunch of international rules, regulations, and treaties come into effect. You are then taken to a safe area where you can be interrogated as to why you deserve it. If it determined to be genuine there is lengthy process to go through.

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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 21):
Reading this news and this thread made me feel sick. How often do nationals of the US, Canada, the UK, France, Brazil, Holland, New Zealand or any other free libertarian state have to claim asylum elsewhere? Never.

There are a few of US soldiers claiming asylum in Canada, they refuse to be sent back to Iraq, claiming it's an illegal war. As far as I know none of the cases have been sucessful.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 10):
As regards family travel, I don't know how Chinese airlines deal with this, but in any case getting a passport etc in China is not so simple, even if it is easier than before. It depends a lot on whether you work in the private sector, or for the government. So maybe his family (for various reasons) have no exit documents. (Of course, this is just speculation).

Well just about everyone can get a passport nowadays, and I don't see how the family of an international airline captain couldn't ...

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 14):
At least he should be knowledgable about the rudementary basics in English if he was an international pilot for China Eastern. So why go through the charade of an interpreter?

It's still his second language. And you try speaking in your second language when you're going through an ordeal like this ... it's not a "charade", even business leaders and politicians fluent in a foreign language uses an interpreter in an official situation.
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angele

Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:33 pm

Assuming this pilot is granted asylum and he gets back into flying for a US flagged carrier. If the airline allows him to fly into China again, how will the Chinese government treat this guy? Jail him on the spot or let him pass along with his crew?
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting SP90 (Reply 26):
Jail him on the spot or let him pass along with his crew?

Why would he want to take that sort of risk?
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting SP90 (Reply 26):
Assuming this pilot is granted asylum and he gets back into flying for a US flagged carrier. If the airline allows him to fly into China again, how will the Chinese government treat this guy?

There are many pilots in oppressed societies who dream of flying for an airline like Frontier. Live in the US and do one hour flights. I doubt he wants to do anymore of that long-haul crapp.
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting Eksath (Reply 13):
After being a pilot flying to and fro from US for 10 years,how come he needs an interpreter?

You'd be surprised at the large number of MU crews that have very rudimentary English-speaking skills.

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 16):
So here's a question. Did the trip the next day going back get delayed?

No delay due to crewing issues. MU maintains a 'domicle' in Pasadena, CA. Shifted the rotation up until another captain was flown in to return the flying crew to full complement.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
I think it got canxled until another Captain was flown in

No - flight flew as scheduled, albeit departed late (delay was not due to crewing issues).
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:29 am

Got to give this guy credit. He obviously was a first officer or capitain on an A340-600 with loads of experience. He put his principals before his career. Now if he's granted asylum in the US the chances of him getting an airline job are nil - I hope he realizes that.

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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting AC777233LR (Reply 24):
There are a few of US soldiers claiming asylum in Canada, they refuse to be sent back to Iraq, claiming it's an illegal war. As far as I know none of the cases have been sucessful.

Oh dear. I stand corrected!
 
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 30):
Got to give this guy credit. He obviously was a first officer or capitain on an A340-600 with loads of experience. He put his principals before his career. Now if he's granted asylum in the US the chances of him getting an airline job are nil - I hope he realizes that.

Not necessarily. Even you said he's a pilot with loads of experience. And whilst I don't know a pilot's career in detail I'm sure you gotta be pretty good to get to the stage where you're selected to pilot a 346.

Brush up on English skills, do a few American courses and he'll be right. No American airline flies A340s though ... but I'm sure with his experience someone will take him on to fly an Airbus aircraft. Dare I say it being Chinese he won't mind the lower wages on an LCC.

Before he even thinks about that tho he needs to have his political asylum approved and get his family out of China.

(There are plenty of Falun Gong ppl in the States, so I'm sure his immediate need for food, shelter and funds in the time being has already been taken care of)
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RE: China Eastern Pilot Seeks Asylum At Los Angeles

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:35 am

Interesting news, but with FLG being banned in China, I am not surprised. Unlike other countries, not everyone in China is 'qualified' or 'allowed' to hold a passport. Further more there are two types of Chinese passports - Offical and Private. If you are on an business trip, then through your enitity's foreign affairs department, a Chinese can apply through Public Security for an Official Passport. If a Chinese is going on a organized group tour to an Approved Destination Status (ADS) country, they can apply through Public Security for a Private Passport. Once you have the passports, the you can go to the appropriate country's consulate to apply for a visa. Passports in China are granted by Public Security on a absulate need base. His family very likely will not have Offiicial Passports, but may have Private Passports for joining group tours to ADS countries like Thailand, and Australia.
I doubted his opportunity in getting another pilot job soon, as it will takes a long time to get his asylum case finished.

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