TG992
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NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:33 pm

Anyone know why the 744 was in HKG on the 5th?


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N754PR
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:36 pm

Becuase of the huge mess caused by a Typhoon two days before. That 744 arrived on the 4th, about 7pm and departed on the 5th. The flight on the 3rd (777) diverted to Subic Bay in the Philippines and did not get to Hong Kong till the afternoon of the 4th.
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 1):
The flight on the 3rd (777) diverted to Subic Bay in the Philippines

Why would NZ divert to Subic Bay rather than MNL nearby?
Also a large percentage of NZ's highest paid and most respected employees are long haul 744 and 777 pilots.
A 55 year old 744 pilot would have been flying 10-12 hour sectors looking at clouds and buttons for maybe up to twenty years.
As much as you may respect these guys opinions you have to run NZ as detached as possible from the general thinking inside the business. A lot of the disasterous ideas from the past would have come from previous CEO's seeking out the general views of senior people in the business.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:44 pm

NZ86 05 Aug was ZKOKF
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Motorhussy
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:54 pm

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):
Also a large percentage of NZ's highest paid and most respected employees are long haul 744 and 777 pilots.
A 55 year old 744 pilot would have been flying 10-12 hour sectors looking at clouds and buttons for maybe up to twenty years.
As much as you may respect these guys opinions you have to run NZ as detached as possible from the general thinking inside the business. A lot of the disasterous ideas from the past would have come from previous CEO's seeking out the general views of senior people in the business.

I don't understand what you're on about. Can you clarify your point please? I'm interested.

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TG992
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):

Why would NZ divert to Subic Bay rather than MNL nearby?

The diversion was due to the fact all other options were already full!
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TG992
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:17 pm

Oh I see
NZ85 04Aug ZK-NBU
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:18 pm

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):

What has this to do with the plane at HKG?????
I thought I was wrong but I was only joking!
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:27 pm

The plane was in HKG to pick up the stranded passengers. The increase in capacity will help in resolving issues faster.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:29 pm

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 7):
What has this to do with the plane at HKG?????

What about providing additonal capacity over the B772 to make up for the delayed and cancelled flights on 3rd and 4th, shifting the stranded passengers here?
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 9):
Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 7):
What has this to do with the plane at HKG?????

What about providing additonal capacity over the B772 to make up for the delayed and cancelled flights on 3rd and 4th, shifting the stranded passengers here?

I think he was referring to reply 2 and not what was the plane doing in HKG
 
TG992
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:33 am

Something else I just found for the 14th of August!

3 NZ 009 2359 0655*2 ..3.... HNLAKL CY 744 0
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 5):
Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):

Why would NZ divert to Subic Bay rather than MNL nearby?

The diversion was due to the fact all other options were already full!

Thanks.
I think Rob should consider my previous post. NZ very tricky to run from the inside in my opinion. AKL-LAS would be very good in the NZ-UK market with BD and VS code shares.
McCarran very close to the strip and you could depart at 2,3 or 4 in the morning due to the nature of Las Vegas thus beating the summer heat issues.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 12):

Whats this got to do with a NZ 744 at HKG? Am I missing something? Whats Las Vegas got to do with HKG?
I thought I was wrong but I was only joking!
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 12):
Thanks.
I think Rob should consider my previous post.

how can anyone consider your previous post when you haven't actually explained what you meant ... it may have made sense to you at the time you typed it ... but I have read it several times and still do not understand what you were trying to say .. so for the benefit of not-so-bright people like myself can you explain the connection between the topic and what you posted ?

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 2):
Also a large percentage of NZ's highest paid and most respected employees are long haul 744 and 777 pilots.
A 55 year old 744 pilot would have been flying 10-12 hour sectors looking at clouds and buttons for maybe up to twenty years.
As much as you may respect these guys opinions you have to run NZ as detached as possible from the general thinking inside the business. A lot of the disasterous ideas from the past would have come from previous CEO's seeking out the general views of senior people in the business.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:29 am

This is why I don't like HGK-LHR
Almost certainly the directional decisions over the years including Ansett, hub at BNE etc.. simply reflected the general thinking in the higher levels of NZ rather than any specific management. Very easy trap to fall into for a CEO.
Fyfe starting to get caught in this situation IMO.
Doesn't happen... go look at the US invading Iraq, Bush (admittedly not the sharpest president ever) just reflecting what thousands of people in Washington believe. Get to the objective. Get rid of Saddam. Get to the objective, Get To Heathrow. The business routes enable getting to LHR. The LHR psychology exists in QF as well (nonstop to LHR to take..... what 2 hours off an Aussie holidaymakers trip to UK/Europe).
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:34 pm

Richard, I never can quite understand your logic.

Unless you are Ryanair (or Emirates to South Asia and New Zealand), long-haul airline routes live or die by premium class traffic (not holidaymakers).

And when a route needs a refuelling stopover, you obviously pick a point where traffic will get on or off, otherwise Air NZ would just use Christmas Island in Kiribati and fly over the pole!

I see a big LHR-LAX market and a big LHR-HKG market.

I see a big LAX-AKL market, although I'm pretty sure that HKG-AKL on a 747-400 is going to be a disaster unless there is a lot of LHR-AKL through traffic (which by definition is lower yield, as the fares are only 10% higher than for LHR-HKG, but the costs are obviously double).

Is there a market of London and Auckland to Las Vegas or Cancun? Maybe a few tourists who would otherwise fly on charter flights. But a high yield premium market? I just can't see it. Sorry.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:32 pm

Richard,
furthermore, a point you may have missed. AKL-HKG-LHR has not begun yet. Your thread has no relevance to an NZ 744 in HKG the other day. Please start a new thread if you want to change the subject.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:23 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 11):
3 NZ 009 2359 0655*2 ..3.... HNLAKL CY 744 0

I guess there is high demand for this one off 744 to HNL? Interesting, bring back the days when everyone went to HNL and NZ and a ton of other airlines stopped over there.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:43 pm

The older crew still brag about the 19-day(!) trips of the past..

AKL-HNL-LAX-LHR-LAX-FRA-LAX-HNL-AKL
AKL-HNL-YVR-HNL-LAX-HNL-AKL
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:57 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 19):
The older crew still brag about the 19-day(!) trips of the past..

19 days, far out, well I guess its alright if your single or if you like to be away for that long.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:30 am

In 3-4 years when you don't have the latest product and want to fly to LHR the stopoff has to be far more attractive. CUN would IMO get the best premium customers for a AKL-LHR and allow a prudent less than daily schedule vs A380's which will have perhaps 1" wider seats (economy) than 748's. LAS also would do superbly in back, front and freight (freeway roading networks) Both will work straight off far quicker than ORD because NZ/Aust outbound traffic will be very strong here similar to SFO.
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:08 pm

Is there a prize for guessing what he is on about?
Who...me??
 
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 21):
In 3-4 years when you don't have the latest product and want to fly to LHR the stopoff has to be far more attractive. CUN would IMO get the best premium customers for a AKL-LHR and allow a prudent less than daily schedule vs A380's which will have perhaps 1" wider seats (economy) than 748's. LAS also would do superbly in back, front and freight (freeway roading networks) Both will work straight off far quicker than ORD because NZ/Aust outbound traffic will be very strong here similar to SFO.

If you want to rant about AKL-LHR please start a new thread. Your posts have nothing to do with the topic of this thread. If you're not sure how this forum works please take a look at the rules:
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RE: NZ 744 IN HKG

Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 21):
ant to

Is it just me or do you just not make sense? Looks like other people who asked that question earlier in the thread shut up already so I assume they finally figured out what you were talking about.... Since I haven't, what the hell are you talking about? What does this have to do with an NZ 747 in HKG? Maybe I need some coffee!  confused 
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