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AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:26 pm

Air Canada will begin winter service between Fort Lauderdale and Calgary effective 29Oct06:

AC 1202 YYC 1020-1740 FLL 319 WeFrSU
AC 1203 FLL 1830-2235 YYC 319 WeFrSu

No doubt in response to Westjet, although Westjet's Lauderdale-Calgary route is entering it's third year.

Who'd ever think there would be six non-stop flights a week between South Florida and Calgary?

Air Canada's very busy winter schedule to Fort Lauderdale this year will include four daily flights each to Montreal and Toronto, as well as non-stop flights to Ottawa (frequency varies from 3x weekly to daily throughout the season, though it will be flown with A319s this winter).

They used to offer FLL-YQB during the Tango days as well. Too bad they don't offer that anymore. Not really the highest yielding of markets, but neither is FLL-YUL, and there is very heavy demand to YQB. TS fills A310s and A330s on the route, 2x a week.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:45 pm

This winter will also see AC with its first ever overnighting aircraft at FLL. There will be a late departure ex YYZ and an early departure ex FLL.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Air Canada's very busy winter schedule to Fort Lauderdale this year will include four daily flights each to Montreal and Toronto, as well as non-stop flights to Ottawa (frequency varies from 3x weekly to daily throughout the season, though it will be flown with A319s this winter).

I only see Ottawa-Fort Lauderdale at 4x weekly all winter with A319s. It was daily last winter with jungle jets. The YOW-FLL flights were packed last winter. I don't get why they would cut this route down because even with the larger aircraft this year's AC capacity is still a lot lower.

At least with WestJet and Sunwing's new YOW-Florida flights, the total YOW-Florida seat capacity is still going to be up approx. 38%.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2006/14/c0754.html?

With the exception of new YYZ-SRQ service a lot of this press release consists of re-stating previously announced flights...the YOW-Florida capacity reductions were shockingly & conveniently not mentioned in the press release.  

[Edited 2006-08-14 19:16:10]
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:33 am

What does AC's schedule to MIA look like? what do they offer? any new service soon?
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:38 am

Do people in Halifax think that they have enough air services to where they wish to go for business and pleasure? Is there strong competition between AC and WS to and from YHZ?
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 3):

In the winter it is less than FLL from YUL, From YYZ ???
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 3):
What does AC's schedule to MIA look like? what do they offer? any new service soon?

No new flights with the high usage fares MIA charges. 3x daily to YYZ and 1x daily to YUL. MIA does see a daily 767-200 to Toronto, however. FLL is all-narrowbody.

AA is 3x daily each to Montreal and Toronto.

Skyservice, IIRC, is daily to Toronto and 3x weekly to Ottawa.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
No new flights with the high usage fares MIA charges.

Funny thing since YYZ is similarly a high priced airport (if not the most expensive in North America).
Probably the big draw to FLL from even western cities like YYC is the fact that Fort Lauderdale has become increasingly a major cruise ship port of origin and destination. The SLC-FLL run on DL does increasingly better during the winter schedule for that reason. The only reason it is only 3x per week is that the price of cruises is still substantially higher than time in Dominican all-inclusives, which the Skyservice charters have the market cornered on.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
FLL is all-narrowbody

From YUL there is a daily 767 service to FLL in the winter
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:40 am

Not this winter. *filler*
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 8):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
FLL is all-narrowbody

From YUL there is a daily 767 service to FLL in the winter

No, not this year. There is a 4th daily instead.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 9):
Not this winter



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
No, not this year. There is a 4th daily instead

you both seems to be right!

I am very suprise because Yul-Fll is probably one of there most profitable route in winter with all those Québecois going to Hollywood beach...
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:03 am

What happened to the Vancouver service MIA use to see?
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:07 am

If it was daily the YVR-MIA seems to be gone
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 3):
What does AC's schedule to MIA look like? what do they offer? any new service soon?

There has been a huge capacity shift away from Miami, with the exception of seasonal YYZ-MIA service between November and April. This past summer there was only 1 daily between YYZ-MIA, and weekend only service ex YUL. The traffic shift for VFR/O&D has hugely shifted to FLL, and the reduction in MIA service is attributable to more direct Carribean & South America service from Canada, bypassing the well publicized nightmare of transiting at MIA. I remember the days when 747's/L1011's & 767's were the norm into MIA.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 14):

There has been a huge capacity shift away from Miami, with the exception of seasonal YYZ-MIA service between November and April. This past summer there was only 1 daily between YYZ-MIA, and weekend only service ex YUL. The traffic shift for VFR/O&D has hugely shifted to FLL, and the reduction in MIA service is attributable to more direct Carribean & South America service from Canada, bypassing the well publicized nightmare of transiting at MIA. I remember the days when 747's/L1011's & 767's were the norm into MIA.

Not to mention AA has doubled frequency and more than doubled capacity on Miami-Canada routes in the past year. And, on a side note, despite the defocus on MIA service, 767s are still the norm at MIA between October and April.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 13):
If it was daily the YVR-MIA seems to be gone

It was daily until 9/11, than weekend-only, and operated for a while until winter 2004 seasonally. The flight did well load-wise. It operated with a an A319 at first, but eventually became a 767-300ER.

Harmony Airways has been looking at starting MIA service from Vancouver, don't know if it will ever happen, but they have been in talks with MIA as of two months ago. With the decent O&D between the two cities, and strong cruise traffic on both ends during opposite seasons, combined with Harmony's leisure model, a weekend service should do very well.

[Edited 2006-08-14 22:01:26]
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
Not to mention AA has doubled frequency and more than doubled capacity on Miami-Canada routes in the past year.

I believe AA & DL are the two largest US based operators for trans-border connections, both representing rival alliances to Star and AC. They are also #1 and #2 respectively in Caribbean operations from the US.
FLL has become the South Florida airport of choice over the last 10-15 years, since Miami had some very bad happenings back then with tourists in rental cars killed by local thugs outside of MIA.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 16):
They are also #1 and #2 respectively in Caribbean operations from the US.

No, they are not. US Airways is #2 in Caribbean-USA flights.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 16):
I believe AA & DL are the two largest US based operators for trans-border connections, both representing rival alliances to Star and AC.

No, they are not. I believe American is the largest US-based USA-Canada operator, but Northwest is second.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 16):
FLL has become the South Florida airport of choice over the last 10-15 years, since Miami had some very bad happenings back then with tourists in rental cars killed by local thugs outside of MIA.

Dude, the tourist killings were more than a decade ago and pretty much long, long forgotten. And despite that MIA has definitley lost ground to FLL, Miami's traffic is up more than 5% this year, and FLL is down more than 8%.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):
Funny thing since YYZ is similarly a high priced airport (if not the most expensive in North America).

According to IATA, YYZ is currently the world's most expensive airport. Not exactly a dubious honour to have.
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
767s are still the norm at MIA between October and April.

Only on one of the 4 flights. 916/917 ex YYZ. The other 2 YYZ flights and the 1 daily YUL flight are generally 319's or 320's.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:51 am

Good to see AC on the route... perhaps it will drop the prices a little more and get me back to the Miami area sooner!  Wink
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:53 am

It is also nice to see mainline charters to 2 destinations this fall along with LAS.
- Edmonton -Cancun: New non-stop service departing Wednesdays starting
December 20, 2006, operated with 207-seat Boeing 767 aircraft.

- Edmonton-Punta Cana DR: New non-stop service departing Thursdays
starting December 21, 2006, operated with 207-seat
Boeing 767.

I was surprised to see the YEG-LAX route not increased, since that route is continual full. Seems like the UAL YEG-SFO flight is packed everytime I board.
 
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Flyb (Reply 21):
I was surprised to see the YEG-LAX route not increased, since that route is continual full. Seems like the UAL YEG-SFO flight is packed everytime I board.

With additional deliveries, the E190's will migrate out west, and I would wager YEG-LAX will be slated for an upgauge.
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RE: AC To Begin FLL-YYC

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting YOW (Reply 18):
According to IATA, YYZ is currently the world's most expensive airport. Not exactly a dubious honour to have.

One airport WN will NEVER serve once they expand into Canada in a few years! MIA, SEA & DFW have that honor of being dubious in the states, DEN has come down in price and dropped out of that race thankfully.
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