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SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:36 am

I just heard that SAS are to get two A340 from Canada. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

They are suppose to use these planes to places like HKG. Wouldn't it make more sense to use a A330-200 for these missions?

If the rumor are true, are these coming from Air Canada? I that case what kind of A340 are we talking about?

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
Wouldn't it make more sense to use a A330-200 for these missions?

Scandinavia-HKG is good territory for the A340. And it will inevitably be the A343s.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:47 am

Air Canasta? Who are they?
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 1):
Scandinavia-HKG is good territory for the A340. And it will inevitably be the A343s.

Perhaps. But IMO the A332 would make a breakeven with less passenger than the A343.

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
Air Canasta? Who are they?

It is the new Canadian company. They just started opareting  Big grin Should have checked the grammar first.  Smile
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
Air Canasta? Who are they?

New airline.....no IFE necessary, just card tables, the newest thing!


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Seriously, regarding SAS taking ex-AC A343s, its possible, there is a lot of speculation around as to which airlines will take AC's A340 fleet that will become available once the new 777s are delivered.....many seem to think that Star Alliance members will have a preferred shot at the airplanes.

I thought that SAS was considering cutting back its longhaul flying and there were rumors that SAS would even thinking about dropping longhaul altogether....whats the story? If this rumor is true, does that mean that SAS has once again changed its business plan and now wants to increase long haul flying?
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
Perhaps. But IMO the A332 would make a breakeven with less passenger than the A343.

Yes, but it could also be more profitable.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:07 am

AC has just the 300 version not the x version.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
Yes, but it could also be more profitable.

The A343 would make more sense to put on this route so the A332's can be deployed on routes to the USA and Canada.

I hear the A343's AC have are in mint condition. I'm guessing the 345's will go to Emirates.

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:14 am

Air canada are selling the two A345s , what is happening to them?
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:20 am

The 773ER and 772LR is replacing them The CEO of AC has specified twin engine planes as they are more efficent.

EI321,

There have been tons of threads about AC's A340's being replaced by 777's.

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:20 am

I haven't heard any rumours to this effect although it sounds plausable. SK do need some more long haul equipment and these aircraft are a perfect fit in their fleet so why not?

Any other new long haul routes planned for SK?
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:29 am

I heard they had someone in YYZ checking them out. We'll see ..

The routes that are rumoured to be highest on SAS' longhaul wishlist are ARN-PEK and ARN-NRT .. CPH-HKG has also been mentioned.
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):

There have been tons of threads about AC's A340's being replaced by 777's.

Yes I know. The question I was asking is: is there any news about possible suiters for the A345s once they leave the AC fleet. They are currently listed as availible on one of the aircraft sales sites, forget which one.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:17 am

Where else are they going to et A340's from? Hasnt VS sold all theirs?

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 6):
AC has just the 300 version not the x version.

Actually they have both. 8 -300X, and 2 - 300s
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):

Yes I know. The question I was asking is: is there any news about possible suiters for the A345s once they leave the AC fleet. They are currently listed as availible on one of the aircraft sales sites, forget which one.

Who will take the AC A345s?

It will probably be an existing A345 operators, or one of the newer Indian airlines that is starting long haul routes, or they could be converted into private jets for gulf based oil barons. The market is limited, not many airlines need or want ULH airplanes, and a fleet of two airplanes is an extremely difficult proposition.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:12 am

Weren't MX a potential buyer?
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:09 pm

Same rumor was, that Swiss would get 340s from AC to expand its long-haul fleet ...
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 10):
I heard they had someone in YYZ checking them out. We'll see ..

The routes that are rumoured to be highest on SAS longhaul wish list are ARN-PEK and ARN-NRT .. CPH-HKG has also been mentioned.

Thanks for your answer. So it may be that SAS will see if this is an equipment they could use. I remember that when they studied the possibilities to start up OSL-EWR again, they tried to get a A332, but there weren't any available n the market. I guess that if they only try to get hold of the A343 OSL-EWR with SAS seems less plausible.

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 16):
Same rumor was, that Swiss would get 340s from AC to expand its long-haul fleet ...

Hey cool. It will be interesting to see who will get hold of the AC A340s.

To sum it up, we have the following conclusion.

1: SAS has some people checking out the A340 equipment at YYZ.
2: SAS wants to start ARN-NRT and ARN-PEK.
3: SAS wants to start CPH-HKG as well
4: Air Canada has 8 -300X, and 2 - 300s
5: Swiss and other Star Alliance members are looking at the longhaul equipment from AC

and the following question:

1: Who is Air Canasta?  spin 
2: Who will take the A345 from AC?
3: Is MX a potential buyer?
4: Does SAS still want to start CPH-SFO as they wanted before 9/11?
5: Where else could they get the equipment from?
6: Has VS sold all their A343?

I think this sums it up in a good way.  Smile
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
SAS wants to start ARN-NRT and ARN-PEK.

Last year there were talks about getting a dew A330-200s for those routes, but the A340-300 might be a good choice.
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:19 pm

I have read that after SAS joined the Star Alliance their long haul routes might be cancelled all in all as Lufthansa is better positioned to carry them out.
It doesn't sound likely that SAS will get A340's into their fleet, but maybe this is an effort from SAS to remain a "global" airline?
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting Chiad (Reply 19):
I have read that after SAS joined the Star Alliance their long haul routes might be cancelled all in all as Lufthansa is better positioned to carry them out.

well, SAS has been a member for over 9 years now! and they are still operating long haul routes...
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 20):
well, SAS has been a member for over 9 years now! and they are still operating long haul routes...

Good point. I see what you mean.
But now SAS is in a crisis. Much is changing. I hope we (Scandinavians) still can have a national airline that does longhaul, but ....
Well .. we'll se. It's just what I have been reading.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
Who will take the A345 from AC?

My guess is Emirates or SQ.

Swiss and SAS are all good candidates for those A340's. I've heard Finnair is also looking at the A340's.

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 13):
Actually they have both. 8 -300X, and 2 - 300s

I apologise for my mistake.

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
4: Does SAS still want to start CPH-SFO as they wanted before 9/11?

Probably further down on the wishlist.

From what I heard, SAS only wants two aircraft. This will naturally limit the amount of new routes. Two new aircraft could serve ARN-NRT/PEK.
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 23):
From what I heard, SAS only wants two aircraft.

I think they need four. Two for new routes and the other two to upgrade existing routes. I know SAS needs capacity on these routes and that frees two A332 for new routes.

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
2: SAS wants to start ARN-NRT and ARN-PEK.
3: SAS wants to start CPH-HKG as well

Since CA has joined Star Alliance and is opperating PEK-ARN I think it would be a wiser move for SK to start ARN-NRT and CPH-HKG.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:39 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 17):
4: Does SAS still want to start CPH-SFO as they wanted before 9/11?

Yes they do. And they have come long in that process.
But what I dont get is this. Why does AC wanna get rid of them? They are expanding like hell at the moment. And to be honest I dont think there will be a HKG route. The demand from Northern Europe isnt big enough for that.

But I could see that they probably will use it on a CPH-SFO route and mabye a ARN-NRT route.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Clogman (Reply 26):
Why does AC wanna get rid of them? They are expanding like hell at the moment.

they will slowly phase out their Airbus long haul fleet as the 777s (and later 787s) are delivered. so this is not going to happen over night, and apparently will not affect their expansion as they obviously wait until the first Boeing jet arrives.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 21):
But now SAS is in a crisis.

it's certainly not a 'thriving' airline, but recent press articles suggest that the financials of SK have become better and that SAS is in a better shape than two, three years ago.
but clearly, it's never going to be as 'global' as its big brother.

wonder why AY seems to fare well with their selective long haul strategy (mainly Asia). I keep wondering why SK seems to be less successful...
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting Clogman (Reply 26):
But what I dont get is this. Why does AC wanna get rid of them?



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
The 773ER and 772LR is replacing them The CEO of AC has specified twin engine planes as they are more efficent.

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 27):
wonder why AY seems to fare well with their selective long haul strategy (mainly Asia). I keep wondering why SK seems to be less successful...

Finnair started their Asian route expansion earlier than SAS and have less problems between management and unions. Helsinki is closer to Stockholm than Copenhagen and less congested.


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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:14 am

SAS seems to have problems with long haul flights.

Atleast from Norway. They couldnt even keep up the route between Oslo and New York and had to end that several years ago.

Continental is the only carrier that flies from Norway to the USA

SAS had hopless equipment on this route. A 767, while Continetal is doing it well with a 757.


In general I think SAS always over shoot and choose wrong equipment for their long haul routes.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:38 am

I wonder if Virgin would be interested in the A340-500's, this would allow them to operate the LHR-SYD route non-stop and free up some of their A340-600's.

It would also compliment their A340-300/600's and provide a gap in between for routes that don't need the capacity of the A340-600 and where the A340-300 is too small.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 31):
I wonder if Virgin would be interested in the A340-500's, this would allow them to operate the LHR-SYD route non-stop and free up some of their A340-600's.

No, it can't fly LHR-SYD non-stop, not with much pax onboard. VS doesn't have any routes where the A345 is needed, they can reach most of their destinations with the A346, while carrying more pax at the same time.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 31):
I wonder if Virgin would be interested in the A340-500's, this would allow them to operate the LHR-SYD route non-stop and free up some of their A340-600's.

The 340-500 or 777-200LR can fly LON-SYD nonstop but not with a reasonable payload. No airline would do that. I think if ever an aircraft was able to fly this route nonstop the airlines would have to have an only business/first service. Imagine the horror of a such long flight in the normal economy sardine cans.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 22):
Swiss and SAS are all good candidates for those A340's. I've heard Finnair is also looking at the A340's.

Finnair got one A340 from Virgin this summer, two new A340s, out of three, coming next year.
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:03 am

I'm pretty sure AC does have the X version....as I HAVE flown a few in the past.
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 24):

I think they need four. Two for new routes and the other two to upgrade existing routes. I know SAS needs capacity on these routes and that frees two A332 for new routes.

I believe you mean A333s for new routes as SAS do not operate A332s.
The only A332 SAS have operated in the past is the BMI aircraft G-WWBD which they leased for a short period prior to receiving their own new A333s.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:03 am

If they got 4 wouldnt it free up A333 a/c for new flts to new destinations and/or add capacity?

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting YWG (Reply 35):
I'm pretty sure AC does have the X version....as I HAVE flown a few in the past.
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AC does have A340-300Xs. Examples of routes operated by AC A343s include YYZ-NRT and YYZ-PVG.

Quoting Matt27 (Reply 18):
a dew A330-200s

Oh, is dew a counting word?  Silly

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 25):
CPH-HKG.

Would this be timed to connect with OZ to ICN/NZ to AKL/UA to SGN?

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 37):
If they got 4 wouldnt it free up A333 a/c for new flts to new destinations and/or add capacity?

MCOflyer

The A333 is used for shorter longhauls CPH-EWR,ORD and ARN-EWR,ORD. They will not replace 333 with 343 on these routes.

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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting YWG (Reply 35):
I'm pretty sure AC does have the X version....as I HAVE flown a few in the past.

See reply 13
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 39):
The A333 is used for shorter longhauls CPH-EWR,ORD and ARN-EWR,ORD. They will not replace 333 with 343 on these routes.

SAS do not use the A333 on CPH-ORD, a A343 is used on that route, but they use the A333 on CPH-IAD
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 30):
SAS had hopless equipment on this route. A 767, while Continetal is doing it well with a 757.

On the contrary. SAS did OK with the 767. The A330's too big and the route disappeared when the 767's left.
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Matt27 (Reply 41):
SAS do not use the A333 on CPH-ORD, a A343 is used on that route, but they use the A333 on CPH-IAD

they do so fly A333 from CPH-ORD ... it differs..
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 13):
Actually they have both. 8 -300X, and 2 - 300s

Actually, all except one, which is ex-Air Jamaica is a -300X. This Air Jamaica A343 (non -300X) has to have one row of containers removed for weight issues whenever it does the Asia-Pacific ops.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting AC320tech (Reply 44):

If I'm not mistaken both C-FTNQ, and C-FDRO are 300s. One is a -312 and one -313. FTNQ is original AC, while FDRO is ex-JM.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 10):
rumoured to be highest on SAS' longhaul wishlist are ARN-PEK and ARN-NRT

I sincerely hope SK doesn't get slots/rights to fly ARN-NRT before AY gets slots for daily NRT fligths. It's already too screwed up that SK can fly CPH-NRT daily and AY only twice a week even though they have been trying to get the slots for many many years already.

(Am I right that you can't just buy slots at NRT? It's all up to local slot coordination, is it..?)
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 38):
Would this be timed to connect with OZ to ICN/NZ to AKL/UA to SGN?

Don't know about ICN. Wouldn't it be wiser to be connect from PEK or NRT?


Regarding AKL and SGN: I have no idea how HKG has it with it's slots. Is anything open at all?

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 46):
sincerely hope SK doesn't get slots/rights to fly ARN-NRT before AY gets slots for daily NRT fligths. It's already too screwed up that SK can fly CPH-NRT daily and AY only twice a week even though they have been trying to get the slots for many many years already.

Don't forget that AY is also flying to KIX and NGO. If i were on the board of NRT I would grant SK a slot before giving AY daily access.
 
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:16 pm

This is good news - Am I right in thinking SK currently operate 7 340s?
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RE: SAS To Get A340 From Canada?

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 48):
This is good news - Am I right in thinking SK currently operate 7 340s?

SK fleet:

Airbus
340-300: 7
330-300: 4
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