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Air Canada-new planes on which routes

Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:55 am

From when AC receives its new planes, 772lr and 787, which new cities could we, or should we expect to see from them? Also, could we see capacity increase on existing routes? Also, how many of each have they ordered? I tried checking the Boeing site and only could see orders from recene,t AC was not on there.

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:58 am

Its Air Canada. 777LR will be used on the LAX-SYD non-stop scheduled to begin next year pending government approval. My guess is the 777LR will replace the 340-500, on a one to one basis.

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Its Air Canada

I know I know, I fixed the title.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:15 am

B777 LR YYZ-hkg, YYZ-LAX-SYD... MAy be YVR-SYD, YVR-SIN
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:18 am

They have ordered 12 x 772LR's, 4 x 773ER, 2 x 772F, and 14 x 788. They have also leased 1 x 773ER.

One of the routes will be YYZ-LHR for the 773ER's, and other high capacity routes. I believe we will also see YYZ-DEL opened, and YYZ-HKG upgraded to the 772LR. Other than that, I think that ACCARGO could answer the routing plans much better than I ever could.

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 4):
I think that ACCARGO could answer the routing plans much better than I ever could.

There has been speculation o these 777's will do the world tour like the DC-8's did. Mostly, they are going to replace the leased MD-11's from Gemini, and operate those routes.

The 772LR will replace the A340-500 and A340-300 on a lot of the Asia-Pacific ops.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting B752OS (Thread starter):
I tried checking the Boeing site and only could see orders from recene,t AC was not on there.

AC ordered in 2005, you were probably looking at 2006. On the orders & delivery webpage go to standard reports click on time period and select your choices to arrange the data. AC pops up on 10 Nov 05 with 12+4+2 777 and 14 787.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:06 am

When will the T7's be entered in AC's reservation system? I tried a few of the above mentioned routes and none of them show as being operated by T7's.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 4):
One of the routes will be YYZ-LHR for the 773ER's

Currently, at least the last time I checked, AC has a lot of frequencies in this route, some of the legs being flown with the B763ERs, which are relatively small. By introducing the B773ER in the route, will they increase capacity or reduce frequency?

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:11 pm

I would strongly suspect that YYC-FRA would be a773ER, also the YYC-LHR is quite busy too.
When are these machine going to arrive. I really like the 777, its going to be great to see them coming here!
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:45 pm

Most AC long-haul international flights are flown using the 767-300ER, A330 and the A340. According to presentations on the AC website the company will get 4 777-300ER and 4 777-200LR planes next year. These planes will start to replace the A340. As far as I know, the A340 is used on the following routines in the summer: (*) means other long-haul planes, such as A330, 767-300ER, is not technically capable of doing the route or can't do it reliably without restrictions or stops.

YYZ nonstop to:

LHR
FRA
NRT* (767-300ER was used in winter, but sometimes can't do it reliably w/o stop)
ICN*
PEK*
PVG*
HKG* (340 -500)

YVR ->

NRT
HKG*

In the winter, some A340 are moved to flights from YYZ to South America, I believe. A340 may be used on some other flight as well. (I flew LHR -> YVR on one in January of this year.)

Anyways, as 777 are added and A340 are removed, the new planes will need to cover the above routes which can't be flown using A330 and 767-300ER. So I expect that the above routes will be first to get the 777. I think also that the 777 is planed for YYZ-LAX-SYD and that the 777-300ER may flown to airports with slot restrictions such as LHR and NRT.

AC said that they would start a YVR-Can (Guangzhou) flight in 2007. This will require an A340 or 777. We'll have to wait to see if this materializes.

Initially, I suspect most, if not all, of the 777 will be based in Toronto.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:20 pm

I beleive I saw on one of the Air Canada presentations a while ago that the first 773ER would fly on YVR-HKG since its a very busy route.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:30 pm

I'd of thought that YYZ-LAX-SYD would be a 77W! They are getting 5 of them so 3 for this route and then 1 on YYZ-LHR plus another route.

YVR-SYD will probably become non stop and use the 772LR.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
My guess is the 777LR will replace the 340-500, on a one to one basis.

They only have 2 A345's so they won't take long to replace one to one.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:15 pm

I know it has been discussed here before, but since I haven't seen an answer, I'll bring this topic here again.

What was the reason to choose 772LRs instead of 772ERs ? All routes where they will be flying except YYZ-HKG (and maybe some new routes) can be perfectly flown with a 772ER, which is cheaper to buy and burns less fuel...

The only reason I can find for flying such routes with a 772LR is if you have huge amounts of cargo. Do AC really have such a high demand for cargo on flights like YYZ-LHR, YVR-NRT etc?
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting YVRSR (Reply 10):
Initially, I suspect most, if not all, of the 777 will be based in Toronto.

Pretty sure this is correct. You'll see them on the YYZ-YUL-LHR run initially as they come online and pilots get their familiarization.
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 13):
Do AC really have such a high demand for cargo on flights like YYZ-LHR, YVR-NRT etc?

Yes.

Initially the 777 will fly some domestic routes to shake out the bugs, and familiarize pilot's, then expect YYZ/YUL-LHR/FRA for a while. Once the shake-outs are complete I believe plan is to use them across the Pacific. (YYZ-LAX-SYD, YYZ-NRT, YYZ-CHINA, YYZ-NEW ROUTES)

YYZ is on the short list to become the 777 base for mtce.

The 777F's will be operating the same routes flown by the current wet-lease freighters. There is some speculation that additional 777F's will be leased or ordered as 2 acft will not be enough to totally replace the MD-11's with the planned expansion of cargo routes. The 777F's are not due until 2009.

There will of course be some 777's operating from YVR on AC's busiest routes, and perhaps YUL to some destinations if a solid profit can be had. For all those Wet-Coasters and YULer's it's not about centre of the universe, it is about getting the most profit from your assets.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:58 pm

The 777-300 from Yul will probably be put on CDG and FRA than a hop to YYZ than back to Europe... but demands wise i could see CDG for sure...

All those YYZ south america also...

Are they retiring all 340 from fleet 345 and 343? is that a fact?
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
The 777-300 from Yul will probably be put on CDG and FRA than a hop to YYZ than back to Europe... but demands wise i could see CDG for sure...

Probably only for the initial period as ACCargo stated above.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
All those YYZ south america also...

Unlikely. As stated they will be used on premium routes and to open up new routes.
YYZ-India, YYZ-Far East, YYZ-SYD, YYZ-LHR, YYZ-FRA.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
Are they retiring all 340 from fleet 345 and 343? is that a fact?

Yes confirmed. Eventually the A330s too but not for a while.

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:40 pm

Cool. If you dont mind me asking, what will replace the 762 non er versions. 787's? We see a 762 in MCO about 5x a week and thats a non er 762 or 763ER.

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:44 pm

I don't even thing that any more A340's will get the new paint scheme, I guess AC may give the hybrid look to some of the A340 that will stay in the fleet for another year or so. All the A330's are being repainted, with a lighter shade of blue as far as I know.

Aren't the B773ER's basically replacing the B744M's?

Anyone know the delivery schedule for the T7s? First B773ER should come 04/06, right? followed by the other 3 and one leased B773ER. There was an executive presentation on AC's website that outlined the fleet integration schedule, but I can't find it anymore.

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 19):
First B773ER should come 04/06, right?

Well we all missed it then  Wink I think you meant 04/07 and that would be correct IIRC. I'm sure Royal will keep us all abreast of the first AC777 status.

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Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 19):
Anyone know the delivery schedule for the T7s? First B773ER should come 04/06, right? followed by the other 3 and one leased B773ER. There was an executive presentation on AC's website that outlined the fleet integration schedule, but I can't find it anymore.

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/investor/documents/NBF_060321.pdf

Page 35 i believe.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:25 pm

Thank you Accargo, YULYMX, AirbusfanYYZ, KrisYYZ and everybody for your complete replies !

Quoting Accargo (Reply 15):
There will of course be some 777's operating from YVR on AC's busiest routes, and perhaps YUL to some destinations if a solid profit can be had. For all those Wet-Coasters and YULer's it's not about centre of the universe, it is about getting the most profit from your assets.

Well, from YVR, you will hardly have the choice if you let all 340's go. A 763 or a 333 can not do YVR-HKG, YVR-PVG or YVR-PEK, so either you put a 777 or you close the route (which is unlikely).
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 20):
I think you meant 04/07

oops, thats what I meant, Thanks.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 21):
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/investor/documents/NBF_060321.pdf

Page 35 i believe.

sweet, thanks!
I would think that schedule is pretty much sill accurate, besides that single switched order form LR or ER model.

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RE: Air Canada

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 22):
Well, from YVR, you will hardly have the choice if you let all 340's go. A 763 or a 333 can not do YVR-HKG, YVR-PVG or YVR-PEK, so either you put a 777 or you close the route (which is unlikely).

Actually, right now YVR-PVG and YVR-PEK are flown with the 767-300ER daily. These planes won't be leaving the fleet for a while. The A340 is needed for the YVR - HKG flight.
 
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:13 am

The 777-300's are tentatively arriving in Early Spring 2007.

The 773ER's, will basically operate high density routes formerly operated by the 747 Combi's - YYZ/FRA, YYZ/LHR, YUL/CDG etc. Initially they will fly domestically to shake out the bugs, and for pilot familiarization. Expect to see them on YYZ-YVR and quite possibly YYZ-LAX, similar to the introductions of the 747-400 Combis in 1992. Over time, they will replace existing A340-300 routes such as YVR-LHR, YYC-FRA, YYZ-LHR, etc.

The 777LR's first scheduled route is supposed to be YYZ-LAX-SYD pending approval, but may be displaced by YYZ-HKG, should the 2 A340-500's be sold prior to the LR's arriving. As ACCargo pointed out, they will basically operate YVR-HKG, YYZ-HKG/PVG/PEK/ICN, the talked about reinstatement of YYZ-DEL, and any of the new frequencies to India, China, UAE, Pakistan, South Africa, which have all been proposed.

I think South America will operate pretty much as a 763 operation perhaps with the exception of GRU, until the 787's arrive. Also once the 763's are liberated from existing Asia/Europe frequencies, I've heard about more South America frequency such as YYZ-UIO, and YYZ-SCL/EZE splitting into their own operations.

We've received our first manual insert, and the planned seating capacity on the 773's are:

42J Suites/307Y.
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:16 am

AirCorp: You mentioned that AC would use the new 772LRs on an LAX-SYD route, can AC pick up pax in the US and transport them to Australia? I thought that Canadian carriers did not have that right yet?

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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:18 am

Thanks for the heads up.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 25):
We've received our first manual insert, and the planned seating capacity on the 773's are:

42J Suites/307Y.

Do you know the Y config. Is it 3-3-3 or 2-5-2. Also, is AC planning 8-abreast or 9-abreast on their B787s?

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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:21 am

Tony:

It's firmed up at 3-3-3. The 2-5-2 is heaven for the AC/HK seats, but based on past experience with the L-1011, customers had a perception of being "trapped" in the middle of the bank of 5 seats. I know it's pure preference, but presume the decision was made on extensive marketing research.

Although always subject to change, the specs called for a stand up bar/buffet area between the two J/C cabins at Doors 2. Given the current security/bottle dilemma, who knows??

[Edited 2006-08-14 21:23:22]
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 28):
It's firmed up at 3-3-3. The 2-5-2 is heaven for the AC/HK seats, but based on past experience with the L-1011, customers had a perception of being "trapped" in the middle of the bank of 5 seats. I know it's pure preference, but presume the decision was made on extensive marketing research.

Damn. Sad

Seriously now, why don't more airlines consider 2-4-3?

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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting MSPCRJ200 (Reply 26):
AirCorp: You mentioned that AC would use the new 772LRs on an LAX-SYD route, can AC pick up pax in the US and transport them to Australia? I thought that Canadian carriers did not have that right yet?

It's consistent with the new US/Canada bilaterals. It's a matter of final regulatory approval from OZ.
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 29):
Seriously now, why don't more airlines consider 2-4-3?

2-4-2 would be perfect man the 777 is huge 2-5-2 i prefere 2 on the window side
 
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 29):
Seriously now, why don't more airlines consider 2-4-3?

Does anybody actually have this configuration?? IIRC at a meeting this question was posed, and it had something to do with Transport Canada and evacuation procedures, and having a symmetrical flow in the event of an emergency.
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 31):
2-4-2 would be perfect man the 777 is huge 2-5-2 i prefere 2 on the window side

Perfect for the customer but not for generating revenue. It's all about real estate. 1 less seat per row is lost revenue. What amazes me however, is the number of 777 operaters who initiated (and still have) 2-3-2 in Business Class.
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 31):
2-5-2 i prefere 2 on the window side

Ditto.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 32):
Does anybody actually have this configuration??

Yes, KLM on their MD-11s and Finnair partly on their MD-11s too (part of Y is 2-4-3, the other part if 3-4-3). I'd look for pictures, but I'm too busy right now!

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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Accargo (Reply 15):
There will of course be some 777's operating from YVR on AC's busiest routes, and perhaps YUL to some destinations if a solid profit can be had. For all those Wet-Coasters and YULer's it's not about centre of the universe, it is about getting the most profit from your assets.

We know we know, it's not a centre of the universe thing... Anyway, who got Canada's first ever scheduled 773ER service? Not YYZ, but YUL... We know the Eurowhite beast already, we can wait a bit for the toothpaste beast, right?
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 33):
777 operaters who initiated (and still have) 2-3-2 in Business Class.

What's wrong with that should have alot of space in that configutation
 
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 36):
What's wrong with that should have alot of space in that configutation

It's not a space issue. When you're paying that kind of money for J/C, I would think there would be a preference for aisle or window seating, and not being stuck between two people, having to jump over one to get to the aisle.
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 35):
We know we know, it's not a centre of the universe thing... Anyway, who got Canada's first ever scheduled 773ER service? Not YYZ, but YUL... We know the Eurowhite beast already, we can wait a bit for the toothpaste beast, right?

You mean the 777-300 from AF?

as far As AC YUL should see is fair share of 777-300 on CDG/FRA/LHR and some To YVR and FLL but YUL will never see a 777LR unless it is tested for pilot from YUL-YYZ-YUL and some YUL-YVR
 
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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:00 am

I think AC will keep 4 A343s and get approx 20 used 772. Next month Ac will get 772s and then in May 2007 Ac will get brand new 773s

Cheers!

Can't wait to see AC 777 (200's and 300's) - sorry, I do not know what flight routes they will fly...

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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting MSPCRJ200 (Reply 26):
AirCorp: You mentioned that AC would use the new 772LRs on an LAX-SYD route, can AC pick up pax in the US and transport them to Australia? I thought that Canadian carriers did not have that right yet?

Air Canada has the 5th freedom right for Canada and USA so if approval Air Canada will pick up passengers in Toronto and in Los Angeles to Sydney.
 
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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 40):
Air Canada has the 5th freedom right for Canada and USA so if approval Air Canada will pick up passengers in Toronto and in Los Angeles to Sydney.

Is Australia the only third country under this regulation or is there a possibility of seeing AC pick up pax in places like EWR or ORD for European destinations? I would personally love to cross the Atlantic on on of their shiny new birds instead of some of our 25 year old domestics. Too bad the logistics of connecting US-YYZ-Europe are such a pain.
 
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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting MSPCRJ200 (Reply 41):
Is Australia the only third country under this regulation or is there a possibility of seeing AC pick up pax in places like EWR or ORD for European destinations? I would personally love to cross the Atlantic on on of their shiny new birds instead of some of our 25 year old domestics. Too bad the logistics of connecting US-YYZ-Europe are such a pain.

AC has fifth freedom rights between the UK and points beyond. In the past, there have been limited carriage opportunities such as:

YYZ/YUL-LHR-DUS
YUL-LHR-NCE
YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN
YYZ-LHR-DEL

While routing opportunites via LHR are unlimited (subject to third country approval), good luck trying to secure slots.

AC currently exercies fifth freedom rights between:
YYZ & SCL-EZE
YYZ & ZRH-DEL

Under the new US bilaterals, the ongoing
YYZ-FLL or MIA/JNB rumor is being bounced around again.
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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Workhorse (Reply 13):
can be perfectly flown with a 772ER, which is cheaper to buy and burns less fuel...

This is A.Net conventional wisdom. Not necessarily reality. In the case of fuel burn, not correct. In a posting in November last Widebodyphotog gives reasons why the 200LR fuel burn is better than the -200ER by about 3% at ranges beyond 2000nm.
On the matter of price of the 200LR, who knows what AC paid for it. I am sure that B. was very aggressive in their pricing to AC. In fact they could easily have struck a price that made the type more economically attractive.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 30):
It's a matter of final regulatory approval from OZ.

I thought from an earlier thread on this topic that such approval was not needed,that it was covered by existing agreements.
 
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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 43):
I thought from an earlier thread on this topic that such approval was not needed,that it was covered by existing agreements.

That's a yes and no scenario. Under the existing agreement AC can transport passengers/cargo between the US Australia, as evidenced by HNL-SYD, and the short lived HNL-MEL extension services. However "final" regulatory approval is required.
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Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 39):
I think AC will keep 4 A343s and get approx 20 used 772. Next month Ac will get 772s and then in May 2007 Ac will get brand new 773s

HUH???
 confused 

The 340's are going, and considering there is not any 777 pilot training till January, how could this be accomplished by next month. On a side note, where would one find 20 used 772's??
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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 39):
I think AC will keep 4 A343s and get approx 20 used 772. Next month Ac will get 772s and then in May 2007 Ac will get brand new 773s

Cheers!

???? I pretty sure that AC will no get any B772ers, I assume you're talking about 200ER's because there aren't any used B772LR on the market. I can't see AC keeping any A343's, that would totally go against their fleet plans.

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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
If you dont mind me asking, what will replace the 762 non er versions.

I think there is only 1-2 767-200s (non-ER) left in the AC fleet... many of the routes served by these aircraft are covered by AC's A320 family.
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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:52 am

Slightly off topic, but has anyone herd what's going on with the winglets for the B763ERs? Weren't they suppose to be a part of the XM upgrades for the B763? Has that idea been totally scrapped or just delayed?
FLYACYYZ have you herd anything?


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RE: Air Canada-new Planes On Which Routes

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 48):
FLYACYYZ have you herd anything?

Winglets were part of the original package negotiated by Boeing and Air Canada to upgrade the 763's while awaiting T-7 deliveries. After the deal fell through, and was subsequently renegotiated, the winglet provision was dropped as fleet renewal was being accelerated. At this time the 763 XM's will not be winglet equipped.
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