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Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:54 am

I think the title says it all. We have a new CEO, we have the new ground with NW, what about YX? Is there any news - anything that has been going around? I'm just wondering what is around the corner.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:49 am

I would also like to know the answers to the above questions, but would also like to throw this one out there.

With US getting E90s, do you think some of the routes operated out of PHL by Air Wisconsin will be upgraded to E90 routes? If so, will any of the CRJs be moved to PIT to replace some of the SF3 cities that need more seats? I just have to think that some of the CRJ routes in PHL need larger aircraft. In my opinion, the PHL route network needs more aircraft like the E70 and E90.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:08 am

Sorry, no answers, just more questions:

IS the NW thing a done deal, or just very close to done?

I heard that there is a chance they may be taking as many as 40 CRJ200s (ex-Independence) out of the desert. Is this still a possibility?

I also heard that they could be moving their headquarters away from Wisconsin, and maybe going close to either PIT or DCA. Does the NW deal (if it's done) keep them in Wisconsin?
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:45 am

A lot of you guys are dreaming. Air Wisconsin might have more money then any other regional right now, but they are a VERY conservative company. The only hope for growth in the near future is midwest flying, outside of that don't look for ZW to expand. I have heard it from the VP *KL himself, -900's are too expensive right now, and ZW is not looking for short term growth, which is what is happening all over the industry. (ie the Mesa Dash 8 flying for DL is a 2 year contract, as is the CHQ Continental flying). I hope to be proven wrong, but I highly doubt that I am.

As for the 175s, I see them going to CLT and PHL, with Wisconsin possibly moving more operations to LGA with the CHQ 50's being pulled from there. It would also not suprise me to see E170's eventually parked at F terminal when the 190s come online.

All educated guesses though, take them for what they're worth.

[Edited 2006-08-15 00:47:13]

[Edited 2006-08-15 00:47:49]
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:50 am

Also, about the headquaters moving outside of Wisconsin, also false. The facilities and cost of living in the area enough to keep ZW based in ATW for a long time, also heard first hand from high up management. It does not cost them all that much to limo people that need to get to and from ATW from MKE.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:37 am

Forgive me, I am a little behind on the ZW news but:

I know the contract with United is finished, why does the ZW website still have United information?

What happened to all of the BAE-146s? Retired? Were the leased and returned? or were the sold? or scrapped? parked in the desert?

Does Air Wisconsin have any E175s? They don't show them on their website. or the FAA website.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:45 am

I don't know how well the 170s would work at F Terminal - there's inadequate seating space as it is at most of the gates, even with 50-seat RJs parked there. With 72-seaters, it would be a madhouse. I think some of the PHL gates are underutilized enough that they could squeeze more flights in.

LGA is the saddest place in the US system to me... a beautiful terminal with jetways to nowhere (except the ramp) and almost nothing but regional jets and Saabs except for the Shuttle concourse. Hopefully some of the E175s will end up at LGA too...
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting N757ST (Reply 3):
outside of that don't look for ZW to expand.

I am not looking for them to expand, I just didn't know if they might add flights at PIT to replace existing prop routes if all of the CRJs aren't needed in PHL when US has E75s and E90s available?

Quoting United787 (Reply 5):
Does Air Wisconsin have any E175s?

No, they don't...
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:20 pm

No one really knows where the 175s are going to go, but I doubt you will see 50 seaters replacing colgan flying out of pit, maybe on some of the longer legs I suppose. I would imagine a 170 can fit on the F terminal on the main concourse, IE F1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15; these gates have larger spacing then the peir gates, and much larger then the high 30 gates, IE 36,37,38. I am not sure of this, but I could have sworn that I saw a 170 parked there at one time, maybe when mid atlantic was just spooling up. (at that time I was on the GA side of the PHL airport, not the concourse side so I am not sure).

As for the 146's, last one left service April 2006, most were sold to European operators or are sitting in the desert somewhere.

As for 170's and 175s at LGA, maybe, but honestly PHL more then anyplace needs to see larger aircraft and less 50 seat feed. The sad part is that the places that could use the larger aircraft (PHL, CLT) have some of the best small RJ facitilies in the country, where as the places that will likely end up with the 50 seaters (LGA,DCA) have make-shift facilities for them.

It will be very interesting to see what happens at US in the next couple months with the 175s and 190s coming online, hopefully US uses them to reallocate some PHL flying, instead of adding to it, PHL really cannot handle what its already got.

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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 1):
In my opinion, the PHL route network needs more aircraft like the E70 and E90.

Which is exactly why the 190s will be based at PHL, initially.

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 7):
I am not looking for them to expand, I just didn't know if they might add flights at PIT to replace existing prop routes if all of the CRJs aren't needed in PHL when US has E75s and E90s available?

If routes are consistently booked beyond Dash-8 capacity, I'm sure of it. US management isn't going to let PIT slip away to competitors that easily. It isn't saying much to upgrade to RJs....but it's better than Dash-8s.

Quoting N757ST (Reply 8):
It will be very interesting to see what happens at US in the next couple months with the 175s and 190s coming online, hopefully US uses them to reallocate some PHL flying, instead of adding to it, PHL really cannot handle what its already got.

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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:42 pm

I don't know what the future of this company holds for Air Wisconsin. But I do look for big changes in the coming months with Jim Rankin as the new CEO. From what I know about the guy, he had big visions and plans that he wanted to implement at Skyway, only for Midwest to shoot down every thing that he wanted to do. Look for some of this to come up at Air Wisconsin.

Some other things we have been told are that we definitely have bids out for NW and YX. NW is on hold until they can get this flight attendant mess cleared up. YX has six carriers bidding on the RFP and they are going to start eliminating bids. Where that leaves ZW I do not know but the two companies would be a natural fit for more reasons than I can list. One thing that might give ZW a cost advantage is the fact that they already have a mx base in MKE, and the hangar can accomodate more RON's than it does presently. ZW has also been looking at ATR-72s as well as Q400's in an attempt to try to convince CO to include them in an RFP that they have on the table for prop flying.

Another thread mentioned that the PSA pilots have rejected flying the CRJ-900 for US. This is significant, becuase without them, the only other significant CRJ operator on the east side is Air Wisconsin (Mesa flights are part of the west agreement prior to the merger, and I doubt Airways is satisfied with them), One thing to remember is that the agreement that Air Wisconsin signed with USAirways was the right to fly 70 CRJ's. Therefore US has to have room for 70 CRJ's in their system to cooperate with the agreement. One thing that Airways has made clear is that they have too many 50 seaters and not enough larger planes. One thing US can do is have ZW fly some of the 90 seaters, allowing ZW to place 50 seaters in service with other carriers, possibly YX. I would not be surprised to see 90 seaters in service with ZW in the next year. However, I think that ALPA and ZW needs to get their grievance issue resolved first. After that happens, then they can discuss bringing larger planes onto the property.

As far as other flying goes, whats left? Since DL is bankrupt they could ask for bids on flying to replace Comair or ASA, much like UA did, but I doubt that will happen. So I don't see work there. After what UA did to this company, (cancelling all our employees travel benefits in the middle of the night without any prior warning, stranding our crew members) I doubt that we would want to go back to them. AA pretty much has the old TW deals, and you run into scope issues, so I don't see anything there. CO could have potential with the props, but ZW has to convince CO to participate in the RFP. So pretty much when the dust settles, whats out there is what you get.

The other thing is the ground handling, where ZW has dedicated a lot of resources in recent months, and seems to emphasize. They still handle many United stations, and are going to be taking over some NW stations. There are many stations that they would love to get their own people on the ramp in (especially PHL) for US as well. I would not look for this to happen until the certificates are merged and everything is SHARES.

ZW has been a fine company for many years. I have seen signs that this company needs to evolve, and if management remains ignorant, I am worried about the future of the company. But of the regionals out there, the ones I hope are around for many years are Skywest, Horizon, Air Wisconsin, ExpressJet, and Comair.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:09 pm

Hopefully a debut in PHX....replacing Mesa...
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:46 pm

I wonder if they might pick up new flying for other carriers. ZW has tons of potential. Would love to see them grown and get their 146's back in the air. Fat chance of that happening, but sure do miss the 146's!
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting N757ST (Reply 8):
It will be very interesting to see what happens at US in the next couple months with the 175s and 190s coming online, hopefully US uses them to reallocate some PHL flying, instead of adding to it, PHL really cannot handle what its already got.

This is for sure, the E90s will be perfect for PHL!

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
US management isn't going to let PIT slip away to competitors that easily. It isn't saying much to upgrade to RJs....but it's better than Dash-8s.

I sure hope US will upgrade a few DH8s and SF3s to RJs. I hope US doesn't let PIT slip away. Sometimes it just seems like they forget about PIT (not because they don't add service). When US added PIT-BNA back to the Pittsburgh route network, they didn't even announce it? Does anyone know why they do this? I would think they would be happy they actually added a destination instead of cutting one in PIT.

Some destinations that could use upgrades in PIT are the following in my opinion:

PIT-BUF: (4x DH8) I think (3x DH8 and 1x RJ)

PIT-RDU: (4x ERJ) I think (5x ERJ/CRJ)

PIT-MYR: (Sat. only service with 1 E70 and 1 B734) I think (2x RJ or 1x E70)
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
When US added PIT-BNA back to the Pittsburgh route network, they didn't even announce it? Does anyone know why they do this? I would think they would be happy they actually added a destination instead of cutting one in PIT.

They often do not announce the reopening of routes they flew before. If you think about it, the only routes you hear about are brand new, i.e. PDX-PHL, LAS-BNA, DCA-SRQ (which starts today, btw http://www2.usairways.com/awa/conten...vestorrelations/pressreleases.aspx )  Smile
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:11 am

PIT-YYZ can't even fill a DH8 most of the time.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 15):
PIT-YYZ can't even fill a DH8 most of the time.

Well, PIT-YYZ currently sees 7 daily flights.

US Airways: (3 DH8 and 1 CRJ)

Air Canada: (3 DH8)

Where did your statement come from anyway? How do you know the loads?
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:55 am

ZW still ground handles 21 line station and one hub for UA - which makes us a large partner for them.

I don't see ZW getting larger planes rather taking some of old FlyI planes from the desert. I'm of course hopeful that we will see the YX flying.

I have to wonder where we are going to go once CHQ gets rid of their ERJ's for US Airways. Will BOS, LGA and the PIT see more of our flying? Could PSA take over some of that and send ZW to CLT more - that is what I would like!

Tons of questions but no answers. One thing I've learned here is that this company keeps it's secerts and only shares when it has to.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 16):
Where did your statement come from anyway? How do you know the loads?

I just looked at tomorrow and the loads for the Dash-8s are between 50% and 65%. The morning RJ is only around 40%.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 17):
I have to wonder where we are going to go once CHQ gets rid of their ERJ's for US Airways. Will BOS, LGA and the PIT see more of our flying? Could PSA take over some of that and send ZW to CLT more - that is what I would like!

When CHQ is gone, this is going to affect a few PIT routes:

PIT-ALB: (1 daily ERJ)
PIT-BDL: (1 daily ERJ)
PIT-CMH: (1 daily ERJ)
PIT-SYR: (1 daily ERJ)


Not a huge deal, but I sure hope PIT just doesn't lose the flights. When is CHQ ending the ERJ flights for US Airways Express?

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 18):
I just looked at tomorrow and the loads for the Dash-8s are between 50% and 65%. The morning RJ is only around 40%.

Oh, well! I guess Air Canada is kicking US's a**! Air Canada has been seeing increases in PAX for about two years on the PIT-YYZ run!

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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:25 am

For some reason I thought there were more RJ's out of PIT, oh well. I guess ZW does the rest of them?
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 20):
For some reason I thought there were more RJ's out of PIT, oh well. I guess ZW does the rest of them?

There are currently 50 daily RJ departures from PIT during the week:

Chautauqua Airlines: (ALB, BDL, CMH, and SYR) (4 daily flights out of PIT)


Air Wisconsin: (ALB, BDL, BOS, BWI, DCA, EWR, HPN, LGA, ORF, PHL, PVD, ROC, YYZ) (23 daily)


Trans States Airlines: (BDL, BNA, BWI, EWR, RDU, RIC, SDF, STL) (22 daily flights out of PIT)


PSA Airlines: (DCA) (1 daily flight out of PIT)

This is as of August 17, 2006
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:45 am

Isn't TSA also leaving US Airways Express?? I thought for sure they were asked to leave. So if they leave I wonder if AWAC would also replace some of their flights. Of course it would be great if CHQ brought in the EMB170 and added some seats in a few markets like ORF, ORD, LGA, DCA, and wouldn't it be nice if a few markets were added like MSP.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:01 am

I have heard in other threads that Jim Rankin is looking to introduce a gourmet cookie. ATWZW170, can you confirm this? I know I saw this in another thread.

One route that wont get upgraded is PHL-ELM. Its served with 37/50 seat Dash 8's from Piedmont and 50 seat CRJ's from ZW. I flew them in April and the loads were like 50%.

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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:05 am

I would love nothing more than to say that the cookies are coming, however, I know nothing. I'm hopeful - just like the rest of us - and will be one of the first back on the MKE bus.  Big grin

I know he is going to come out to PHL at some point to talk with everyone - do a meet and greet.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:29 pm

Yeah, he said in his welcome letter he would be making visits, it'd be cool if he came to GRB, but we doubt it since they'll probably ask us to go to ATW for a co-meeting.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:52 pm

You never know he might come up there to see what it's like - but you are probably right, you will have to go to ATW.

I just hope Jim is ready for all the questions he is going to get and that he brings with him a plan on expanding our operations and long term growth.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 22):
Isn't TSA also leaving US Airways Express?? I thought for sure they were asked to leave. So if they leave I wonder if AWAC would also replace some of their flights. Of course it would be great if CHQ brought in the EMB170 and added some seats in a few markets like ORF, ORD, LGA, DCA, and wouldn't it be nice if a few markets were added like MSP.

I think you meant PSA Airlines, but that is a regional that is fully owned by US Airways so I don't think is leaving the express network.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting M180up (Reply 27):
I think you meant PSA Airlines, but that is a regional that is fully owned by US Airways so I don't think is leaving the express network.

I don't. I think hes talking about TSA (Trans States Airlines)

At anyrate, I don't think you're going to see the 170 on routes like PIT-ORF currently flown by 37 seat Dashs. As an aside, they actauly already do serve ORD from PIT. I can echo what others have said about YYZ-PIT: I've done this route a few times in the last month and its one of the most consistantly empty DH8 flights out of PIT (highly anecdotal in my case, though).

I doubt there wil be any net reduction of cabin class turboprops in the next few years, as long as oil keeps up like it has. In the next 2-5 years you'll probably see in an increase in the size of the TPs operated by US, if not an actaul increase in the size of te fleet.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:31 pm

I would not be surprised to see some of the ZW routes out of PHL being taken over by the EMB-190s when they start to come online. There are for sure some that could support it, like MSP and MCI, which are consistently oversold and really too long anyway for the CRJ.

I for one am hoping that more LGA flying is NOT in our future. That place is an embarrasment and the delays there screw up the whole system. That said, yesterday things went smoothly.

I would love to see more PIT flying. These two days I am flying in and out of PIT, but the loads have not been spectacular. Decent, but not full. Still, it is easily the best of the hub/focus city airports in the US Airways system. The ground crews are terrific. CLT is a close second.

It would not surprise me if there are changes with the US Airways flying, but I think most of it will be shuffling of flying, rather than some large shift.

I do think there is a decent chance of the Midwest flying. Like everyone, I am keeping my fingers crossed and I will also be on the first plane back to MKE when it happens. It does make sense for a lot of reasons and I hope the management can get it to work.

As far as United, nothing would surprise me. We still have a lot of ground handling and the company has treaded lightly there from the beginning of the end, making clear that they did not want to burn bridges.

I have been talking for 2 years now about what might happen. I still think something will and we will have a bright future. But what that means is really anyone's guess.

Like everyone, I really want the Midwest flying and the NWA flying is also very intriguing and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it happens.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:33 pm

I would not be surprised to see some of the ZW routes out of PHL being taken over by the EMB-190s when they start to come online. There are for sure some that could support it, like MSP and MCI, which are consistently oversold and really too long anyway for the CRJ.

I for one am hoping that more LGA flying is NOT in our future. That place is an embarrasment and the delays there screw up the whole system. That said, yesterday things went smoothly.

I would love to see more PIT flying. These two days I am flying in and out of PIT, but the loads have not been spectacular. Decent, but not full. Still, it is easily the best of the hub/focus city airports in the US Airways system. The ground crews are terrific. CLT is a close second.

It would not surprise me if there are changes with the US Airways flying, but I think most of it will be shuffling of flying, rather than some large shift.

I do think there is a decent chance of the Midwest flying. Like everyone, I am keeping my fingers crossed and I will also be on the first plane back to MKE when it happens. It does make sense for a lot of reasons and I hope the management can get it to work.

As far as United, nothing would surprise me. We still have a lot of ground handling and the company has treaded lightly there from the beginning of the end, making clear that they did not want to burn bridges.

I have been talking for 2 years now about what might happen. I still think something will and we will have a bright future. But what that means is really anyone's guess.

Like everyone, I really want the Midwest flying and the NWA flying is also very intriguing and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it happens.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 28):
At anyrate, I don't think you're going to see the 170 on routes like PIT-ORF currently flown by 37 seat Dashs. As an aside, they actauly already do serve ORD from PIT. I can echo what others have said about YYZ-PIT: I've done this route a few times in the last month and its one of the most consistantly empty DH8 flights out of PIT (highly anecdotal in my case, though).



Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 28):
At anyrate, I don't think you're going to see the 170 on routes like PIT-ORF currently flown by 37 seat Dashs

While I do agree that PIT-ORF won't see an E70 flight anytime soon, there is currently only 1 daily DH8.

PIT-ORF:

(1 DH8 and 2 CRJs)


As I said before, Air Canada hasn't added a flight on PIT-YYZ for almost 2 years, and is consistently seeing an increase in passengers on the route. Maybe US can't take the heat!

Latest numbers for June 2006 compared to June 2005:

Air Canada: June 2005-(3,272) June 2006-(4,076) a 24.6% increase!

Year-to-date: (16,174)

For 2005 Air Canada carried (30,430) PAX. (26,416) PAX were carried in 2004. I will keep you posted with the total for 2006!
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 29):
I would love to see more PIT flying. These two days I am flying in and out of PIT, but the loads have not been spectacular. Decent, but not full. Still, it is easily the best of the hub/focus city airports in the US Airways system. The ground crews are terrific. CLT is a close second.

I agree!


If you don't mind, where are you flying to from PIT?
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 32):
f you don't mind, where are you flying to from PIT?

LGA, BOS, BDL, PVD on this trip.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 22):
Isn't TSA also leaving US Airways Express?? I thought for sure they were asked to leave.

Trans States' remaining routes with US Airways Express are operated under an at-risk contract - just like Air Midwest, all the TSA ERJ flying is just pure profit for the Sandcastle.

Also, only 20 of the 30 CHQ ERJs are being taken out of the USX system. 8 will be pulled down in Q1 2007 with 12 more leaving in Q2. The remaining 10 will be with US for the foreseeable future.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:52 am

We will have 9 E145's left for US. The other 20 are going to CO. So that will mean reductions at our LGA base. And ZW can have LGA. TSA is slowly losing their US flying and PSA is growing as is Allegheny.



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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:03 am

Sean, not sure where you get 9. According to the corporate fleet plan here - http://www.flychautauqua.com/ir-fleet_sched.html - there will be 10 CHQ ERJs with USX. And growth at Allegheny would be news to them - given that Allegheny doesn't exist anymore  Wink It's all Piedmont now. Heck, I think they'd be ecstatic with just some replacement DHC-8-Q200s. The Henson Aviation launch aircraft, N601HA, is still flying 22 years into her career.

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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:36 am

Piedmont's DH8 fleet is an average of 15 years old. US is studying replacing them with Q300s and Q400s but it's going to be a while before they say anything on the subject. As of now, Piedmont is not growing.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:17 pm

I thought the agreement with US and CHQ was that all the 50 seaters would leave to be replaced by the EMB175...isn't that what the press release stated?
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:30 am

Nope that is incorrect. We will still have 9 left for US. The 175's will eventually replace the 145's but nothing in the immediate future. Also FCYTravis, 9 is the final number we will have after the start of the CO service.



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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:07 am

Well, you might want to let your investor relations guys know that their SEC investor guidance documents are wrong, because they say 10.  Smile
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:42 am

Well according to our internal memo, we will have 9 left. Unfortunately Wexford which owns RAH doesn't always see the actual numbers, as we have several unmarked airplanes covering all codeshares.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 39):
The 175's will eventually replace the 145's but nothing in the immediate future. Also FCYTravis, 9 is the final number we will have after the start of the CO service.

Isn't Republic operating the E75? Are Republic and CHQ related somehow? I think I remember seeing this somewhere!

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 35):
US flying and PSA is growing as is Allegheny.

While PSA might be growing in PHL and CLT, I think it is funny that during the week, PSA only operates one daily flight (PIT-DCA) at PIT! Why is this?
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:42 am

Republic, CHQ and S5 are all part of Republic Airways Holdings. 3 seperate companies. Republic is currently operating the E70's. The E75's come online next year as planes are shifted around. Also it will be a new type and they will open pilot bids for the a/c.



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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 43):
Republic, CHQ and S5 are all part of Republic Airways Holdings. 3 seperate companies. Republic is currently operating the E70's.

Ok, thought so!
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:03 am

Piedmont has Dash 8-300's. I fly them 5x year PHL-ELM. I hope ZW gets the LGA base. Good luck to everyone in the company. I hope this guy is better than the last one.

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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 45):
Piedmont has Dash 8-300's. I fly them 5x year PHL-ELM. I hope

They have 11 300s
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 46):
They have 11 300s

I am surprised a few of these aren't in PIT.
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 47):
I am surprised a few of these aren't in PIT.

Why? PIT traffic doesn't fill the 100s on a regular basis.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin - What's Next

Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:45 pm

The -300 generaly are used on short routes that need the seats. Most PIT routes on the dash are on the long side. If they got upgraded it would be to an RJ. Aside from PHL-SCE and PHL-ISP, I think most of the -300 routes are out of CLT.
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