ultrapig
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ORD Last Flight Connections

Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:47 pm

A couple of weeks ago I complained about being left at the gate by the last flight after arriving 5 minutes before flight time on a code share AC to UA. Lots of intelligent responses.

This weekend having not learned my lesson I was left at ORD when my AA flight from Boston was late. My flight last night arrived at ORD 20 minutes after the published departure tiem for my connecting flight so I have no problem with them not holding-especially in view of the infomration I received on the problems with holding from my last flight.

I am a little (not alot) annoyed that AA said my flight was delayed by weather and ATC ands therefore didn't pay for the hotel. I don't expect them to volutnarily pay for a weather delay. But there was apprently no bad weather at ORD and none in Boston. I'm guessing and its jut that that my incoming plane to Boston was just a tiny bit late and lost its spot to fly into ORD.

My questions:

1. Is it fair for any airline to claim weather delay when it is delayed coming to a departure city and misses its turn and then ATC won't let them leave?

2. 2. Is ORD so crowded that on a Monday night where there is good weather at ORD and the originaning city that it just can't handle the traffic?

3. Is it unrealistic to expect to make a 1.2 hr connection in ORD after 9 pm to the extent that one can routinely expect to miss the connection?

4. Finally I tried unsucessfully to standy by on a American Eagle Regional Jet BOS-STL. I was #1 on the list and there were seats (7) but the flight was weight restrcited? Is 1046 miles westbound pushignt the limits for a an emb 135 (?)?
 
S5FA170
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:55 pm

A weather delay does not need to be caused by weather at your departure or arrival airport. If their is weather enroute, the aircraft must be diverted around it. This deviation from the originally planned path of flight adds time to said flight. So if your aircraft flew ORD-BOS and had to fly around weather, it now arrived at Boston late due to the added length of the flight plan, and having to fly around it again on the way back to ORD delays the arrival the next flight.

Also, if their is bad weather at *any* point in the day at ORD, every single flight after that has a 99% probability of being delayed. That airport handles so much traffic that once it backs up, even slightly, it stays backed up for the rest of the day. It has to play catch-up, and that means delays. Especially if a particular aircraft is doing multiple turns in and out of ORD over the course of the day.

1.2 hours to make a connection in ORD is not unrealistic. Many, many people makes those connections. Unfortunately, you haven't had the best luck these past coupleof weeks! It happens.

If their was weather enroute from BOS-STL, the ERJ-135 would have to be weight restricted. Also, it depends on the headwinds. Every aircraft is affected by headwinds. That could have been a factor.

Sorry to hear about your dilemma this time! I'm sure things will work out sooner or later. Hope this helps a little bit!

-Tony
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usflyer msp
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:26 am

My personal philosophy is that I will only fly through ORD before 10AM, especially during the busy and thunderstorm-filled summer months. If I have to fly later I will choose an alternate connecting point.
 
roseflyer
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:06 am

I always try to avoid flying through ORD on the last bank or two of departures. It's just a bit risky, although elite status helps if you miss a flight. Things get delayed, and what makes things worse is that flights aren't evenly delayed. All the RJ flights tend to have worse and worse delays in the evenings, while international flights remain on time. ORD is a risky place in the evening. If you are flying AA, STL or DFW are a lot safer and with UA, IAD and DEN are too.
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ramerinianair
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:38 am

I think if you complain enough, AA will give you something. They usually do.
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bri2k1
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 1):

Good post, except every single one of "their" should be "there." Flame me if you want, but it's true, and it's constructive criticism.
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ckfred
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:03 pm

The Embrears have been having operational problems due to weight restrictions. My wife tried to fly stand-by on SDF-ORD in January. Even though there were 5 empty seats when she checked in, the CSA couldn't confirm her until it appeared that some confirmed passengers weren't going to show, because the flight was being weight restricted.

My understanding is that when the FAA increased the weights of passengers and baggage for purposes of weight and balance calculations, it caused the Embrears to fly more often with weight restrictions.
 
N353SK
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:20 pm

If the plane you flew on encountered ATC or weather at any point during that day, you can't really blame the airline unless you know that they also had MX delays or something like that.

For your BOS-STL flight, 1000 mile flights are really pushing it. Also, if this happened recently (ie since thursday) there have been a ton more checked bags than there were just a week ago. The problem is that on an ERJ all that extra weight is in the hold of the aircraft which is way in the back, not underneath like on mainline jets. This kills COG and balance. One captain told me the precise aeronautical term for the situation is "ass heavy."
 
ADXMatt
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:03 pm

Your flight may have encountered an "Airspace Flow Program" delay. The US Govt (FAA) said that this program would reduce delays due to enroute weather. I really don't think it has. I think it is worse this year.

Info on it....

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2006/ac90-102.pdf
 
ultrapig
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:54 pm

Thanks for the comments-I disagree slightly with nk353-Seems to me that when an airline scheules an airplane on such an agressive schedule that almost any delay during the day will cause the last flights of the day to miss conenctions its their "fault" even if they aren't legally responsble.

Also thanks for the comments on the RJ's. I had suspected that American eagle was pusing it flying over 1k miles westbound.
 
S5FA170
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RE: ORD Last Flight Connections

Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 5):
Good post, except every single one of "their" should be "there." Flame me if you want, but it's true, and it's constructive criticism.

I blame the public education system. LOL.

-Tony
Prepare doors for departure and cross-check.

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