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Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:03 am

Just saw a TV documentary on ARTE (which is a Frensh/German TV station) about Air Deccan.
At the end of it they showed John Leahy and Captain G R Gopinath, the Managing Director of Air Deccan, who told Leahy that he thinks that the A380 is the perfect aircraft for Air Deccan. "It is the train of the skies", he said, "it will be able to carry more than 800 passengers and would be ideal for the Indian market ." Leahy of course loved the term "train of the skies" and said maybe Airbus should use it.
Gopinath said he thinks that the A380 will have a great future on the Indian market.

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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Gopinath said he thinks that the A380 will have a great future on the Indian market.

Well, they certainly do use their 747s quite a bit. We'll see how they do when Kingfisher gets their A388s.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Gopinath said he thinks that the A380 will have a great future on the Indian market.

We'll see that when it happens, Indian domestic terminals can barely cope with 5 737/320's at a time, one A380... I'ld like to see the chaops. No, wait a second I don't!
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 1):
Well, they certainly do use their 747s quite a bit.

Air Deccan doesn't have any 747s. They only have A320s and are confined to domestic routes.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:37 am

Im sure its a nice plane.

But personally flying with 800 people is an unatractive option.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
But personally flying with 800 people is an unatractive option.

Agreed! If I wanted to build trains, I wouldn't have become an aerospace engineer!
 
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Captain G R Gopinath, the Managing Director of Air Deccan, who told Leahy that he thinks that the A380 is the perfect aircraft for Air Deccan. "It is the train of the skies",

Does this mean that the A380 will start it's run at Trivandrum and make stops at Madurai, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Nagpur, Bhopal, Agra, Delhi, Chandigarh and ending up in Srinager. We can even call it the HimSagar (Himalayas to the Occean) Express.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 3):
Air Deccan doesn't have any 747s. They only have A320s and are confined to domestic routes.

I meant the Indian market in general.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 7):
I meant the Indian market in general.

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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 7):
I meant the Indian market in general.

how many do the indian airlines use domestically? the thing about shuttle flights is you can run them with relatively few planes, depending on the route.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:47 am

and when the first "train" crashes-------like so many regular trains on the sub continent
 
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
But personally flying with 800 people is an unatractive option.



Quoting SEAdomer787 (Reply 5):
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
But personally flying with 800 people is an unatractive option.

Agreed! If I wanted to build trains, I wouldn't have become an aerospace engineer!

Trains can confortably transport more than 1000 passengers (I'm thinking on the european high-speed trains).
Ships can do it also.
In fact, they do.

Why in the hell shouldn't airplanes?

And I can't honestly be anything else than stunned that an engineer prefers the "regular" than the "new".

Come on guys: if it was made by Boeing it would be great, wouldn't it?

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Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting DistantHorizon (Reply 11):
Trains can confortably transport more than 1000 passengers (I'm thinking on the european high-speed trains).
Ships can do it also.
In fact, they do.

Why in the hell shouldn't airplanes?

1) Trains have a much lower seat/mile opperational costs, albiet higher capital costs.

2) Trains are nearly as fast over regional flights when the train can cruise at high speed, plus they arrive in city centers not a remote airport.

3) Aircraft like the A388 are optimized for long-haul cruise. On short-haul routes, the aircraft hardly reaches cruise conditions and is much less fuel efficent than it would otherwise be.

4) Using long-haul aircraft on short-haul routes also places much more stress on the airframe. Aircraft age primarily by the cycles they fly, and short flights accrue cycles very quickly.

5) An A388 would require subsantial infastructure development at many Indian airports, when that money could be better used for other public works. If you are not slot restricted, why use the A388 when smaller, more economical aircraft are in development?

An ideal aircraft for Indian domestic routes would be the 787-3 or more A320/737. This sounds like pure P.R. drum banging to me
 
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):

Maybe you're interested in this tread:
A380Domestic With A346 Wings + 748i Engines? (by A342 Aug 16 2006 in Civil Aviation)


You should note that in India, the train takes 24 hours (or something similar) for BOM-DEL, while the plane is less than 2 hours.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 7):
Air Deccan doesn't have any 747s. They only have A320s and are confined to domestic routes.

I meant the Indian market in general.

AI is the only Indian carrier operating the 747....and they use it predominantly for international ops...with a few domestic legs of int'l flights here and there....

Quoting Comet4b (Reply 10):
and when the first "train" crashes-------like so many regular trains on the sub continent

Senseless comment....what are you trying to say...?

Quoting A342 (Reply 13):
You should note that in India, the train takes 24 hours (or something similar) for BOM-DEL, while the plane is less than 2 hours.

At last, someone who's tried to understand the subject! The point that Capt. Gopinath was probably trying to make is that in a country where inter-city trains are packed to capacity and people make 20 and 24 hours journeys between major metros, the 380 could have good scope....maybe they have some plans in mind for the future.....
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 13):
You should note that in India, the train takes 24 hours (or something similar) for BOM-DEL, while the plane is less than 2 hours.

Well, in the context above, DH was referring to high-speed trains in Europe where trains can cruise at a true high speeds.

I understand that Indian rail infastructure leaves something to be desired:

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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
the Managing Director of Air Deccan, who told Leahy that he thinks that the A380 is the perfect aircraft for Air Deccan. "It is the train of the skies", he said, "it will be able to carry more than 800 passengers and would be ideal for the Indian market .

The "train of the skies". In India. My goodness. So we can start seeing pax hanging on the plane's doors, wings, engines (engines, well, maybe not....). After all, the A380 is designed to hold 853 pax INSIDE the cabin, I'm sure the ones traveling on the wings will not have any problem to evacuate, if needed!!!

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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15):

I understand that Indian rail infastructure leaves something to be desired:

cattle class..Indian style... biggrin 
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:03 pm

So what would be the cheaper option for India:
Invest in the rail infrastructure, new tracks, trains and stations or invest in airports in order to make them capable of handling a domestic version of the A380.
From an ecological view I would prefer the train option but I would not like to know what it would cost to build a train network with high speed trains like the TGV or the ICE in India
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:12 pm

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 1):
We'll see how they do when Kingfisher gets their A388s.

My Advice,First upgrade the Airport Infrastructure to Handle the A380  Smile

Quoting SEAdomer787 (Reply 5):
Agreed! If I wanted to build trains, I wouldn't have become an aerospace engineer!

I think what Gopinath meant was Capacity.

Quoting Comet4b (Reply 10):
and when the first "train" crashes-------like so many regular trains on the sub continent

With soon to be added Collision Warning systems things will def reduce.Its the Wanted Technology thats missing.Also things are not as bad as Depicted in that Pic from a Remote Village.Come,See & believe.  Smile
Have you been to BOM & witnessed the Performance of the Local Trains there.Its def the Lifeline of BOM,even the Terror strikes could not cripple it.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:20 pm

I heard that a lot of the rail infrastructure in India is left over from the days of the British Empire (pre 1964), but that was a few years back so I don't know how much things have changed/improved since then.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:57 pm

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Leahy of course loved the term "train of the skies" and said maybe Airbus should use it.

Plus, I'd always choose a train over a bus. Sadly, I think some airport got to "Airtrain" first. Can't quite remember which one.

Sounds like Mr. Gopinath would like to see a system in India similar to the one in Japan - high frequency widebody domestic network. I doubt that India has the infrastructure to support something like this yet, and that investment could also be put to good use improving their rail system. The railroads would reach a broader demographic, I would think, since their prices could be lower.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:29 pm

Quoting Fixman88 (Reply 20):
I heard that a lot of the rail infrastructure in India is left over from the days of the British Empire (pre 1964), but that was a few years back so I don't know how much things have changed/improved since then.

It's pre-1947 FYI.....   And things have changed quite a lot since then.....though a lot remains in bad state due to the sheer population pressure and corruption, the Indian rail infrstructure is one of the world's largest....

The pic of a train with people all over it will surely amuse a lot of members on this forum, but rest assured that this is not the norm....although things are bad, this particular pic is probably some odd one-off occassion.....

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 16):
My goodness. So we can start seeing pax hanging on the plane's doors, wings, engines (engines, well, maybe not....). After all, the A380 is designed to hold 853 pax INSIDE the cabin, I'm sure the ones traveling on the wings will not have any problem to evacuate, if needed!!!

Civil aviation has been around in India for several decades now....if the A380 is ever put to use by airlines like DN, rest assured that it would follow all safety and operational norms like any other airline anywhere in the world....rail and aviation are handled by a completely different set of people and one has nothing to do with the other....

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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:55 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
Have you been to BOM & witnessed the Performance of the Local Trains there.Its def the Lifeline of BOM,even the Terror strikes could not cripple it.

I've seen it in a TV documentary. Simply amazing ! But they should introduce some double-decker trains !
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Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:13 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 23):
I've seen it in a TV documentary. Simply amazing ! But they should introduce some double-decker trains

The Problem is Population.You noticed the Doors can't be closed  Smile

Plans are presently on to provide added Lines.But this is Just BOM Local trains.

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Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 24):
.You noticed the Doors can't be closed

Can't be closed ? From what I've seen, no doors at all !
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 4):
m sure its a nice plane.

But personally flying with 800 people is an unatractive option.

I dont really understand why so many people have this opinion. I can see from a boarding & disembarking point of view, why at many airports it would be such a pain to be along side so many passengers due to delays but in the case of the A380 it is only flying to the largest airports with the most capacious facilities and I think most will load the baggage onto two carousels like some do with the 744 anyway. And its not like there would be 800 people sitting on your lap, half of them wont even be on the same floor. When you look at it that way, from a comfort point of view I find the A380 no less attractive than a jumbo, (not that I dont like flying the 747, they are utterly fabulous  Smile ) considering that there would be actually less people in the same cabin and the seats are generally more spacious on the A380.
 
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
Can't be closed ? From what I've seen, no doors at all !

All the Local trains have sliding Doors.Believe me  Smile
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 27):
All the Local trains have sliding Doors.Believe me

Ok, thank you !
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:28 am

Air Deccan wouldn't get A380s before 2010 or 2012, until then they can get their international license and the airports can get more capacity. Aviation in India will grow so much that there will be no way around increasing airport capacity.

The five A380s for Kingfisher are not going to be the last for India.
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting DistantHorizon (Reply 11):
Trains can confortably transport more than 1000 passengers (I'm thinking on the european high-speed trains).
Ships can do it also.
In fact, they do.

Why in the hell shouldn't airplanes?

The above statement is preposterious. Trans are a lot larger then airplanes and thier economy class seats are about the same size as an airline business class seat. As for Ships you get your own stateroom. There is no way I would want to be in such a small space with that many people. Be it on Beoing, Airbus, Gulfstream or any airplane manufacture.

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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
Can't be closed ? From what I've seen, no doors at all !

As pointed out by HAWK21M, all trains in India, including Mumbai locals, have doors.....only thing is, they are left open and have to be manually closed/opened when required (such as in the monsoons)..... smile 
 
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 31):
only thing is, they are left open and have to be manually closed/opened when required (such as in the monsoons).....

Problem is there are too many people in the Doorway.So the doors can't be closed ever  Smile
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:54 am

The important thing to keep in mind is the cost of rail travel. For regular 2nd class travel, train fares are 1/10th the fare of air fare, that can't be beat !!  Smile

Quoting Fixman88 (Reply 20):
I heard that a lot of the rail infrastructure in India is left over from the days of the British Empire (pre 1964), but that was a few years back so I don't know how much things have changed/improved since then.

It is pre-1947. And no, many of the infrastructure have been updated. The mainly meter and narrow guage rail system at time of independence have been replaced by broad guage system over 80% of the route network. More people travel daily on Indian trains than those flying over the entire year!! India has one of the largest rail network in the world, and the number of people carried by trains in India is the highest in the world.

The problem with rail network in India is that of capacity. We will have to lay parallel tracks to increase the capacity. However, due to land acquisistions and other costs, it has not been done except in some very very high dense corridors. There was a plan to double the tracks along many routes, bad as is the norm in India, the project is still in proposal stage  Sad
 
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 33):
For regular 2nd class travel, train fares are 1/10th the fare of air fare, that can't be beat !!

The No of people that travel by Air in a Year is almost equal to the No of People that travel by Rail in a day out here  Smile
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:16 am

I travelled on a fully packed Air India B747, so a fully packed A380 will not be such a big difference. Basically you get what you pay for, if you want inexpensive travel you go with the masses.
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15):
I understand that Indian rail infastructure leaves something to be desired:

That's what I call efficient use of scarce resources.
Do the same with an A380 and you can fit not 800 but 1800 passengers easy  Wink
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 36):
Do the same with an A380 and you can fit not 800 but 1800 passengers easy

Remember the Ethiopean Evacuation by Israel some yrs ago.There was a pic on that somewhere.
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:22 pm

I know this is off-topic, but, is there any/much Gen'l Avation/biz jets/fractional ownership programs, etc. in India?
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting N600RR (Reply 38):
I know this is off-topic, but, is there any/much Gen'l Avation/biz jets/fractional ownership programs, etc. in India

The IndUS society at BLR had come up with something a few yrs ago with T11 & T211 Aircraft.
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RE: Air Deccan: A380 Perfect Airplane

Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:47 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15):
I understand that Indian rail infastructure leaves something to be desired:

Mate lets see how your European trains look like when they have to provide for a billion people. No offence but all Im saying is you have to look at all the sides before passing such a comment. Given their resources I'd say the have done fairly well.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 21):
I doubt that India has the infrastructure to support something like this yet,

Not yet but hopefully soon, by 2010 atleast. Well the potential traffic is very high when you have a middle class of 400mn people. True many of them cant yet afford airfares, but with growing incomes and economy, soon they will.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 22):
The pic of a train with people all over it will surely amuse a lot of members on this forum, but rest assured that this is not the norm....although things are bad, this particular pic is probably some odd one-off occassion.....

Agree totally, it is not a daily scene.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 29):
The five A380s for Kingfisher are not going to be the last for India.

Agreed but Kingfisher is/plans to be a premier airline so if they last that long they'd prob only be using A380s for around 500 passengers in a long haul config.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 31):
As pointed out by HAWK21M, all trains in India, including Mumbai locals, have doors.....only thing is, they are left open and have to be manually closed/opened when required (such as in the monsoons).....

Travelled for the first time on BOM's local trains last Dec..its fun hanging out of the doors, dangerous but fun. (PS my friends were holding on to me frm inside Big grin )

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 33):
More people travel daily on Indian trains than those flying over the entire year!! India has one of the largest rail network in the world, and the number of people carried by trains in India is the highest in the world.

Also the world's largest employer.
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It is also one of the largest and busiest rail networks in the world, transporting just under five billion passengers and almost 650 million tonnes of freight annually. IR is the world's largest commercial or utility employer, with more than 1.6 million employees.


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Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 30):
The above statement is preposterious. Trans are a lot larger then airplanes and thier economy class seats are about the same size as an airline business class seat. As for Ships you get your own stateroom. There is no way I would want to be in such a small space with that many people. Be it on Beoing, Airbus, Gulfstream or any airplane manufacture.

I wonder why people are so bothered. You're not going to be any more packed in than on any other plane, infact you'll have moor room per person. And they'll inevitable use 2 or even 3 jetways. It's not as if all 1000 people have to sit on one stool, piss in one potty and board in a massive single-file queue.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 40):
Travelled for the first time on BOM's local trains last Dec..its fun hanging out of the doors, dangerous but fun. (PS my friends were holding on to me frm inside

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Watch out for those poles that pass by.....Don't be the next hit.Advice Stay In

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