swissair4ever
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Aeropostal To ATL

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:37 pm

There was lots of hype about Aeropostal's new service CCS-AUA-ATL and CCS-AUA-MCO a few months back-----with them saying that the service would start later this year.

Well any word on this new service???

I think it would be a great option---especially to ATL.

There is a huge market to my knowledge, that DL is monopolizing with their 737-800 ATL-CCS, and their service from ATL-AUA.

MCO??

Interested to hear
 
luisde8cd
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:43 pm

Well VH has been going down hill these past weeks. Amadeus cancelled its contract with VH because the airline owns them big bucks.

VH hasn't bothered to get back on Amadeus or Sabre. No travel agencies can issue VH tickets. The only tickets they are selling are through their website and over the phone.

Their new flights to MDE and PDP have performed horribly. Loads average in the low 20%. I'd be very surprised if they make it alive into 2007.

Saludos desde Monterrey,
Luis
 
ualcsr
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
There is a huge market to my knowledge,

I don't think ATL or MCO would be good choices. ATL's already served by DL and Atlanta doesn't have a sufficiently large Venezuelan community to support a non-US carrier. Further, VH is not a member of any major alliance thereby making the connectivity factor a bit more difficult. MCO is a leisure market and Venezuelans (in Venezuela) today simply don't have the expendable income of the Venezuelans who flocked on shopping and leisure trips to the US in the late 70s. Most of those Venezuelans are now firmly entrenched in the South Florida neighborhoods of "Weston-zuela" and "Doral-zuela".
 
miamix707
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting Swissair4ever (Thread starter):
MCO??

There are many Venezuelans in the Orlando metro area now. Many have come fleeing Chavez and lately also getting away from s.florida since it's so saturated down there.
 
charvett
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:02 pm

Dear Fellows:

I insist. Why not to have just TWO or THREE strong carriers
instead of SIX or SEVEN weak companies; some of them with
only one airplane? Venezuela can afford it.
 
MAH4546
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:54 pm

Aeropostal talks alot, and takes no action. From day one it was pretty obvious Atlanta and Orlando were never going to happen. Atlanta is just a dumb idea from the start. Orlando does have the market for Venezuela service, but stopping in Aruba would probably hurt the flight more than benefit it.
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JJJM
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:19 am

MAH4546

On the early 90¨s i flew several times CCS/AUA/ATL and CCS/MCO with LV, and flights was always on their 90%, service was great, despite of some delays.

Of course there was no Chavez, no currency exchange limitation, no DL.

But flights and service were well accepted by many passengers.

regards

JJJM
 
andahuailas
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:56 am

According to a filing with the DOT, Aeropostal Owes Falcon Air $6 Million in Unpaid Wet-Lease Charges. It doesn't look good for Aeropostal. My bet is bankrupcy in a short time.
 
757MDE
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:27 am

Ahh what a pity... then it'd be another come and go service from Venezuela to MDE (beginning with the Rutaca one in 2004).

I still think MDE - CCS has potential, even if it may need to be flown with a smaller Airplane at least in the beginning. If Aeropostal goes belly up I think Conviasa could take that service with ATR or Aires with Dash-8 (as they do with BOG - MAR).

I'm sad to hear about that, I had heard Aeropostal wasn't doing so bad here... I even had three friends use the route.

[Edited 2006-08-16 19:35:36]
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Chiguire
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
VH hasn't bothered to get back on Amadeus or Sabre. No travel agencies can issue VH tickets

This is not completely correct. Yes, Amadeus is turned off due to unpaid invoices. But Sabre is the "host" system of VH and has always been working (it MUST). So agencies can book and issue with Galileo and Sabre. Amadeus is supposed to work again next week - so they say.

Quoting Charvett (Reply 4):
I insist. Why not to have just TWO or THREE strong carriers
instead of SIX or SEVEN weak companies; some of them with
only one airplane? Venezuela can afford it.

I agree - but don't tell Chavez. I am sure he would love to put all airlines together under Conviasa roof.

Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 7):
According to a filing with the DOT, Aeropostal Owes Falcon Air $6 Million in Unpaid Wet-Lease Charges. It doesn't look good for Aeropostal. My bet is bankrupcy in a short time.

Don't worry, those 6 Million are only a small part.....


BTW: Aeropostal restarted the service to San Antonio/Tachira Venezuela...
 
Southamerica
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
Their new flights to MDE and PDP have performed horribly.

MDE indeed performed pretty bad during the first couple of months. But, again, VH is guilty for choosing such a slow month as April for launching a totally new international service, and for making almost no advertising.

However, during the last months, VH's CCS-MDE route has been picking up slowly, at least for their standards (40%-ish). They've been flying to BOG for years now, and their loads still leave a lot to be desired.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 8):
I'm sad to hear about that, I had heard Aeropostal wasn't doing so bad here... I even had three friends use the route.

Same here. I had a couple relatives who flew MDE-CCS with Aeropostal a couple of months ago. Nevertheless, their loads have indeed been pretty low.

Aeropostal is apparently offering very good deals rom MDE to MIA via CCS. The fares though have not been cheap enough to steal passengers away from AV.


SOUTHAMERICA
 
charvett
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RE: Aeropostal To ATL

Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:21 am

JA-JA-JA...!!! I agree with Chiguire 100%! Don't take me for bad. I'll
back-up the creation (or the reopening) of Venezuela's flag carrier.
BUTTTTT, as long as they focus upon their goals (as I posted on a
different thread in this forum). Now the company is established, must
be imperative NOT to fall upon the same errors the old VIASA did.
Chiguire, I know you are very literate and well informed about Venezuelan
aviation. You know what I'm talking about. My father worked with VIASA
until his retirement in 1989. Yes, he flew "El Coloso". The biggest error
an airline can make is to take the market for pure prestige. In
order for an airline like this to survive they need to have; as "rule
of thumb" the following targets:

1. A well researched study based on traffic and route market- Let's
not make the common mistake to open a route for pure prestige. Let's
analize the market first (both passengers & cargo). We have very
very good people and entities that can do the job.

2. Fleet commonality and simplicity- Based on the above statement.
Just FOUR equipment types based on serving the different markets.
Remember that each extra type translates in extra tooling, staffing,
maintenance, training, etc. increasing operational costs.

3. Safety and dependability- Self explained. Maintenance, training and
excercises "By the Book" ... better off if we surpass them. Above the
standard procedures and records for all the staff. On-time performance
and better utilization of resources upon the route network. Well,
NO EXCUSES... now we are CAT I again!

4. Supreme Ground and In-Flight service- As my father said: "May I
Help You", "Welcome Aboard", "Thank you"... and smiles are for free!
Both in the air and on the ground. A sincere tone upon the service
we provide; in conjunction with a professional attitude (including
delays or cancellations) will move forward our image as an airline
company at the airport. High standards for in-flight service it's
a must. Great announcements, ammenities, a sincere and courteous
approach to the passengers in order to fill their expectatives is a
fine trend to profitabibility. We need to forget about "processing"
passengers, packing them "sardine-like" and rush them on an
aluminum tube from A to B. Where's the warmth of Latin America?
Aren't we the land of beauties? Let's use this resource to give our
customers a pleasant experience from the moment they presents to
the ticket counter until they pick-up luggage at their destination.

5. Clear policies and procedures- Establish clear policies and procedures
to both passengers and employees upon how the company runs.
This was a capital sin during the VIASA years. I remember stories told
by my father's friends. One day my father was piloting a DC-8 fully
booked... 35 revenue passengers and 122 non-rev's or employees! I
heard (I was 14 years) paying passengers were bumped because it
was Christmas and everybody wanted to go shopping to New York (!!!!).
Then, another story about lost baggage. The agent told the customer:
"If you didn't wanted your bag lost... then why did you checked it?"
This is the way people that put the dinner on my table were treated.
Don't misunderstand me... service in VIASA were excellent and up to
scale (these were isolated situations) but; the mentality at the
company were that they were invincible, that will last forever and that
if we get into problems the "All-mighty" government "will take care of
us with that endless lifeline of petrodollars". They lost the way... the
view... the goals and the spirit of the company.

6. An avid and efficient management- Management must be simple and
efficient. No bureaucracy on any level; because this is one ingredient
to kill a company. Open lines must be mantained at all times with
employees. Management needs to be experienced in airline terms.
Modern, oriented and with a excellent background upon the industry.
Managements that had success in running an airline were very well
literated to this industry.

7. Highly motivated employees- Self explained again. Motivate the staff.
Give them good incentives and benefits! And, because they will love
their job, will perform above standads. A sincere and open comunication
with management (see above).

8. Government regulation, not interference- Self explained again. The
government only mission must be as a regulatory agency. With the
task of watching over the accomplishment of regulatory laws and
aeronautical procedures. They can look after them, but let the
management run the company.

9. Assume technical advice from a well established company- I think
the way the company associated with LUFTHANSA TECHNIK will
help them to forward success. This must not be seen as foreign
intervention... must be seen as orientation and advise upon new
trends taking place at the aviation industry.


My friends, this is my fair view of the topic. Let's forget about
establishing FIVE or SIX small carriers (some of them with just a single airplane) and
"cut-throat" competency toward the others. If we create and mantain
ONE strong flag carrier, plus ONE or TWO domestic carriers that
supplement it; we will be in the right track for a safe, an efficient and
profitable air transport industry in Venezuela.

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