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Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:36 am

I am thinking Champion Air must be the largest 727 operator at least in North America nowadays? According to their website they have 16 examples, (6 of which are in VIP configuration) and I saw three in Cancun at the same time recently. Unfortunately (for me) they are charter not scheduled, so not that easy to get a flight on one of their lovely three holers. Anyone flown Champion?


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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:39 am

Fedex (if you count them) have 152.
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:48 am

For sure you are right and they are the largest, plus UPS have some, as does Amerijet (based here in Miami I believe) but I was talking about pax operators even though I forgot to specify it  Wink
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:53 am

Champion Air was my first flight, back in March 2001 when flying on a 727 was commonplace. It was MSP-PVR during the spring break season and was booked through MLT vacations as part of an all-inclusive hotel package. Service on board was very, very similar to Sun Country, with beverage service and a hot sandwich. Only difference was lack of first class and a much older plane (although it seemed to be pretty well maintained, except for an obese man putting *both* lavs out of service on the flight back).
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:56 am

They sometimes sub for NW. It wouldnt surprise me if they add more. The 727 is perfect for them.

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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 3):
except for an obese man putting *both* lavs out of service on the flight back).

Wow - crapping up two lavs. That's impressive!
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:33 am

Champion now only serves a snack of chips, or nuts no food.

But their crews do get a hot meal, Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner. Very good food. Eggs bacon, or pan cakes in AM, Stir fry and white rice, or a ham dinner with potatoes, and corn, in PM. just a example.
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:34 am

Champion now only serves a snack of chips, or nuts. No hot food.

But their crews do get a hot meal, Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner. Very good food. Eggs bacon, or pan cakes in AM, Stir fry and white rice, or a ham dinner with potatoes, and corn, in PM. just a example.

But the food on the VIP planes is the best yet.
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 am

FX currently is operating the largest fleet of 727!  bouncy 

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A few are being retired every six months or so...

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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:20 am

DHL has some too. I don't know how many, but I have seen them around.
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:46 am

Thanks for the replies so far guys. I also used to see USPS (Post Office) examples. Do they still fly? Haven't seen one in a while. Lets hope that Champion continues to build up their fleet if the 727 is working for them.

Planet Airways was another one I used to see now I think about it, pax version, and I believe they were even operating the -100. Haven't seen it in a while. Anyone know if they are still around?

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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:47 pm

Unfortunatley Planet Airways ceased operating on May 15 2005.If you go to the Champion Air website there is a link to the travel company they run for.VEGAS on a 727 anyone? Chilling on the ramp at BWI, they were doing day trips for a private school all that week out of detroit.All i got was lousy Aquarium field trips.


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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:15 am

AllCanada Express: 2 B727-200F
Amerijet Intl: 9 B727-200F
Astar Air Cargo: 28 B727-200F (+ 1 stored)
Boston-Maine Airways: 4 B727-200
Capital Cargo Intl Airlines: 13 B727-200F
Cargojet Airways: 11B727-200F
Champion Air: 16 B727-200
Custom Air Transport: 16 B727-200F (all stored)
Express.net Airlines: 1 B727-200F
FedEx Express: 12 B727-100F, 89 B727-200F
First Air: 2 B727-200F (maybe wfu)
Flair Airlines: 1 B727-200, 2 B727-200F
Gulf & Caribbean Air: 3 B727-100F
Kalitta Charters II: 4 B727-200F
Kelowna Flightcraft: 2 B727-100F, 1 B727-200, 13 B727-200F
Kitty Hawk Air Cargo: 17 B727-200F (+ 5 stored)
Miami Air: 1 B727-200 (maybe wfu)
Morningstar Air Express: 2 B727-100F, 5 B727-200F
Nomads: 1 B727-200
Northern Air Cargo: 3 B727-100F/C
Platinum Air: 1 B727-200 (lst Platinum Linhas Aereas), 1 B727-200F (stored)
Roush Air: 3 B727-100
Starjet Canada: 2 B727-200
UPS Airlines: 17 B727-100F

+ a lot of private or company B727
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:23 am

Isn't Pan Am still flying their winglet fitted B727-200's?
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:31 am

Isn't Pan Am still flying their winglet fitted B727-200's?

Boston-Maine Airways: 4 B727-200
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:35 pm

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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:42 pm

Just a side note the Morningstar air express 727's also are FedEx they are leased to Morningstar.
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:21 pm

Didn't United Services (United Airlines) sell Pan Am II (or was it III, the one based out of Portsmouth, NH) like 20+ 727-200s a few years back? I thought this transaction took place under the premise that Pan Am was not to use the aircraft on US domestic services.
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 14):
Isn't Pan Am still flying their winglet fitted B727-200's?

Boston-Maine Airways: 4 B727-200

That number is incorrect. They have 3 a/c currently flying and another half dozen that have flown recently but are now parked. There are also a dozen or so ex-United parts planes in Sanford and Portsmouth.....though they're being dismantled.

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 17):
Didn't United Services (United Airlines) sell Pan Am II (or was it III, the one based out of Portsmouth, NH) like 20+ 727-200s a few years back? I thought this transaction took place under the premise that Pan Am was not to use the aircraft on US domestic services.

That's correct. Pan Am/Boston Maine wanted to start up Pan American World Airways out of San Juan and fly through the Caribbean. Those plans hit a road block recently when the DOT denied the company's request to expand their operating fleet to 7 a/c from the current 3.

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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 18):
That number is incorrect. They have 3 a/c currently flying and another half dozen that have flown recently but are now parked. There are also a dozen or so ex-United parts planes in Sanford and Portsmouth.....though they're being dismantled.

The former United B727 was "ordered" by Pan Am, but Pan Am stopped it's operation. Now we have Boston-Maine Airways which operate as Pan Am Clipper Connection.

I have the information, that E9 us the N342PA, N343PA, N348PA and N349PA.
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:52 pm

Any other charter routes Champion Air 727-200 flew in the past? routes and year or decade of service?

I always see it parked on the Executive Terminal ramp in PHL----anybody knows what flights they do to PHL?

Thanks for the info.
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:57 pm

Coyoteguy,the USPS 721's were flown by Ryan under contract to the PO. FX won the new contract.
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 19):
I have the information, that E9 us the N342PA, N343PA, N348PA and N349PA.

N343PA is not currently being used by Boston-Maine/Pan Am....it's parked at Sanford along with N346PA doing nothing. The only 3 operational a/c in the fleet right now are N342PA, N348PA, and N349PA.

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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:31 pm

AirAmericaC46...Nore than likely, they are professional sports team charters...
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:53 pm

Las night at MSP I saw 2 parked at DHL's hanger, and at least 3 at Champions.

...I was weaving on the road to get a good look at them

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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 21):
the USPS 721's were flown by Ryan under contract to the PO

Almost. The USPS 721s were flown by Ryan under contract to Emery which had the contract with the USPS.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
DHL has some too.

DHL uses two airlift contractors in the US. One, ABX Air, is the flight arm of the old Airborne Express, and flies a couple of DC8s with the old engines, DC9s and 767-200SFs. AStar Air Cargo, the former DHL Airways, flies approximately 29 727s (although a post above indicates that one of those is stored), as well as like 9 DC8s with the CFM engines and 6 A300B4-200Fs.
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:02 am

word 'round the ramp,and cockpit is good old Champion air will be continuing the 727 appreciation and preservation fest through '08 with the track birds, and beyond that with the VIP ships. No complaints here, I love the 727 !
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 25):
DHL uses two airlift contractors in the US. One, ABX Air, is the flight arm of the old Airborne Express, and flies a couple of DC8s with the old engines, DC9s and 767-200SFs. AStar Air Cargo, the former DHL Airways, flies approximately 29 727s

AFAIK, ER also uses a few more airlift contractors here in Central and South America which have 727s in their fleet. Aero Expreso from Panama has around 3 or 4 722 operating for ER. There's I believe also one in Venezuela, but no pictures of them in the database.

In Africa there is Swiftair, which operates around 2 727s previously registed in Spain (now under the South Africa register), in Europe EAT used to operate a few 727s until being phased out, while Swiftair and SNAS kept them around a little longer it seems, and in Asia/Oceania, both Transmile and Asian Express Airlines operate one 727 for ER each. So the combined overall DHL 727 fleet has been a bit bigger than just the current 29 aircraft from Astair.
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:13 am

How does Champion operate these gas guzzlers in the day and age of high fuel prices? What's the secret?
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 28):
What's the secret?

Probably those 722s have less cycles a day than in the 70's, when 727 operations were at their peak, or they simply operate them at lower cruise speeds to save fuel. FX, ER and 5X probably do the same, though those might have even less cycles a day than one from MG. But then again, NW still operates the DC-9, which is also pretty much a fuel guzzler like the 727.  Wink
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:35 pm

CCP leases and will soon own the entire fleet(by'07), the lease rates are reasonable,due to the types mass retirement in '01, with airframe costs low, even high fuel, and 3 salaries up front , don't hurt the profit equation. The 727 is still the best airframe for the charter mission, at least for Champion. Again,no complaints, I just love that smoky, thunder jet.
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:05 pm

Nice to know it works for Champion, and I hope we see them around for a long time!
 
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RE: Current Largest 727 Operator? Champion Air?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Coyoteguy (Reply 31):
I hope we see them around for a long time!

Judging from the line numbers of MG's aircraft, they seem to be fairly new for 727 aircraft, with the oldest been built in the mid 70's or so, and the youngest around the 80's. I'm sure they still have lots of life left.  Wink

Quoting DC3CV3407AC727 (Reply 30):
Again,no complaints, I just love that smoky, thunder jet.

Me too, but I prefer the non-hushkitted ones.  bigthumbsup 

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