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Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:55 am

As the Blue Angels were buzzing my apartment today, I again thought:

Why doesn't Boeing or United include a commercial jet in the show? What a great PR opportunity with both of them being headquartered downtown (or soon to be). Wouldn't it be cool if United did a low speed, low altitude fly by of a Boeing 777 to celebrate their move downtown?

I am sure someone on A-Net has a contact in the PR department of either Boeing or United. Someone help me out here! We only have a day to get this worked out.
 
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:59 am

The military has a budget for stuff like this since it is recruitment. While it would be cool, airlines don't really do fly bys of airshows in the United States much.

As far as Boeing goes, they like to show of their planes at SeaFair in Seattle. They have tended to do flybys of new planes dating back to the prop eras and of course there is the famous Dash 80 jet barrel roll. Boeing may be based in Chicago, but many people still consider it a Seattle company. My favourite part of Seafair in Seattle ever was about ten or fifteen years ago a South African 747 did a flyby to celebrate their alliance with American Airlines who was lead sponsor that year.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
Why doesn't Boeing or United include a commercial jet in the show?

Because airlines don't have free spare aircraft just lying around. Everything has an assigenment.....
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:13 am

They don't need to take it out of service, they could just do a little detour on an afternoon flight, I am sure the pax won't mind. All I am asking for an extra 1/2 hour of flying time, no more delay than your average T-storm.



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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
They don't need to take it out of service, they could just do a little detour on an afternoon flight, I am sure the pax won't mind. All I am asking for an extra 1/2 hour of flying time, no more delay than your average T-storm.

Haha, that's funny that you even suggest that.

Overall though I don't think it is because they can't spare a plane. At ORD, UA could build in a short extra flight in the day, but it would be expensive, and that type of advertising probably doesn't have enough of a payout. Airlines do very targeted advertising now. They don't advertise anywhere near as much as they use to, except for certain airlines like Southwest which doesn't rely on the big travel agency websites to get customers, so it needs to show off and attract people to its own website.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
At ORD, UA could build in a short extra flight in the day, but it would be expensive

They could charge for it, like a scenic flight over downtown in a 777, just to piss off King Daley!
 
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:33 am

IIRC, there was a Midway Airlines MD-80 flyby flown by a company executive back in the 80s.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:33 am

AA had a 772 fly by one year...the next year it was downgraded to an E145...that was the last time I went.
 
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Because airlines don't have free spare aircraft just lying around. Everything has an assigenment.....

true, plus they're not wild about the idea with all the skyscrapers close after the recent events in London, and, also, if you wanna see a 777 fly by...just take the 25 minute drive to ORD, lol.

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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:12 am

I think once or twice Delta has done fly-by's in Atlanta for various events.

'course they don't have any planes in the air anymore with recognizable special paint schemes, a-la ship 102 ...

Back in the mid 90s, it was great, with the 2 or 3 Olympics paint schemes flying around - those were nice looking. Unfortunately when the games ended, so did the permission to use the logo, and so they were all repainted.

(why, then, does Union Pacific get away with having it's two Salt Lake 2002 locomotives still in their special paint scheme 5 years later?)

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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:18 am

CO usually parks a 737 at BKE for the Cleveland National Airshow but I do not recall any flybys in recent history.

I do recall a story where one of the Blue Angels pilots had a father who flew from CO in CLE. The son took his Dad up in a F18 and his Dad reciprocated by bringing his son in to the cockpit of a 737 as they tooled around northeast ohio. It was neat PR for Co & the Navy.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:19 am

Years ago, probably in the late 80s, the original Midway Airlines had one of its MD-80s do a few passes during the show.
 
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
Years ago, probably in the late 80s, the original Midway Airlines had one of its MD-80s do a few passes during the show.

This was in 1989 and it was for the launch of the MD-87, of which the original ML was the first customer.

Pretty neat sight.

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Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:36 am



It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.

agreed, 100%. what a shame Meigs is closed...
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:26 am

Let me get this straight...C-150s and Piper Archers are a major threat to downtown "Chitcago" so Daley closes CGX. Yet the same hypocrite books a whole airshow filled with supersonic and aerobatic aircraft which fly just blocks from the same skyscrapers filled with thousands of people. Not to mention the near 1 million spectators at risk. Interesting.....
 
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:39 am

Wow I was planning on asking the same question when I got home today looks like you beat me to it!

I would love it if Boeing or UA did a fly by but what about the other big star at this years air shows, the A380? Why is it that Airbus has left the US out of all there visits, I can understand that not many US carriers if any are buying it but it would still be a good bit of advertisement for there other a/c. And quite funny if they did it in Boeings home town.

or alternatively they could just have the south-east approach take a slightly lower altitude before taking the left turn into ORD!  Wink
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Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:45 am

BAck before 9/11, I think in 1999, AA did a fly by with a 777 and made a few high passes, once with gear down and flaps extended.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
They don't need to take it out of service, they could just do a little detour on an afternoon flight, I am sure the pax won't mind. All I am asking for an extra 1/2 hour of flying time, no more delay than your average T-storm.

I am never going to get anything done today, they are at it again.

I do believe there is a no-fly zone around downtown. Although im sure military jets are an exception, it would be difficult IMHO to get a commercial jet to fly so close to the skyscrapers. It could be too risky, may not sit well with people, and could be a bad PR move for any airline after 9/11. Sure, Boeing can show off their jets near Seattle, but in all honesty Seattle is not a Chicago (architecturally).
 
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:53 am

Please see this thread for more info on a very large Boeing commercial jet & a very small Douglas commercial propliner possibly flying the Chicago Air Show with on Sunday:
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 18):
I do believe there is a no-fly zone around downtown. Although im sure military jets are an exception, it would be difficult IMHO to get a commercial jet to fly so close to the skyscrapers. It could be too risky, may not sit well with people, and could be a bad PR move for any airline after 9/11. Sure, Boeing can show off their jets near Seattle, but in all honesty Seattle is not a Chicago (architecturally).

The flights out of ORD have to fly around the area and I noticed some heavys on the south side flying east. Usually they do it those four days and I've seen some wonderful aircraft flying over SQ744F, Turkish A340, 747's and 777s from UA and other widebodies.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.



Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 14):
agreed, 100%. what a shame Meigs is closed...

I agree too. Mayor Daley is on my "hate list" because of the stunt he pulled with Meigs Field.
 
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.

Despite what he did at Meigs, he has had a large part in O'Hare's expansion program and bringing United and Boeing HQ downtown. He has done some stupid things, but he also has done some incredible things.

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 16):
Wow I was planning on asking the same question when I got home today looks like you beat me to it!

Brilliant minds think alike.

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 19):
Please see this thread for more info on a very large Boeing commercial jet & a very small Douglas commercial propliner possibly flying the Chicago Air Show with on Sunday:

Why not Saturday? I am not going to be watching Sunday.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:27 am

TW used to do flyby's every year during ST. Louis' 4th of July celebrations.. I think with the 717, 757, and an old type, to show the history of TWA, if I remember correctly?

Not to mention TW sponsered just about every event imagineable in St. Louis
 
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:14 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
The military has a budget for stuff like this since it is recruitment. While it would be cool, airlines don't really do fly bys of airshows in the United States much.

American Airlines usually does formation flying with a couple of its jets at the Fort Lauderdale Air and Water show. I believe I have seen a 777 flying with a 757 or 737, and I believe back when there still were 727s, they flew one with a T7 at Fort Lauderdale... I also believe they did a three ship formation, but I could be wrong

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 10):
CO usually parks a 737 at BKE for the Cleveland National Airshow but I do not recall any flybys in recent history.

Yeah, I been to four BKL shows since 2000 and never have I seen any airliners fly that show (except for a couple of classics like an old American Fokker Trimotor etc). There usually is a CO 737 parked there along with a Fed Ex or UPS jet, but otherwise no flybys.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
Why doesn't Boeing or United include a commercial jet in the show? What a great PR opportunity with both of them being headquartered downtown (or soon to be). Wouldn't it be cool if United did a low speed, low altitude fly by of a Boeing 777 to celebrate their move downtown?

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Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:46 am

I remember that at one of the CHA airshows, USAir went the extra mile with their display. They pulled a DC-9 from flight ops for a walkthrough static display and sent a team with the aircraft. The aircraft was set up as a walkthrough display and had the radome opened, engine cowlings removed and reverser buckets deployed on one side as well as the emergency exits removed and stowed. Several mechanics sat at a table beside the plane with nonservicable parts such as the flight data recorder, various flight instruments, etc. to show the visitors, explain how each part worked and answer any questions. Upon entering the aircraft, a USAir rep gave each person a flyer that told them about the specific airplane, the history of the DC-9 and the operational information such as weight, range, speed and max certified altitude. Considering that that airshow was a three day event, that was a major committment of USAir. I'm certain that the good PR that they got outweighed the expense related with the grounded airplane and support staff involved.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:58 pm

During the Cubs game on WGN, I did see a DC-10 flying around but I think
its a Tanker.

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Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 27):
During the Cubs game on WGN, I did see a DC-10 flying around but I think
its a Tanker.

also saw that.

Len : "Is that part of the air and water show or did that just take off from O'Hare?"

cmon, Len, we don't see DC-10s at ORD anymore, lol.

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Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:08 pm

Does anybody have a report as to what was at the Chicago Air and Water show besides the Blue Angels? I wanted to go to it but couldn't make it.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:20 pm

I went on Saturday, and just before 11am, an AA 763 made a couple passes. Right after it, an AA DC-3 made a pass. Regarding the DC-10, the Air Force's KC-10 did its thing for the air show.
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 29):
Does anybody have a report as to what was at the Chicago Air and Water show besides the Blue Angels?

In a nutshell: AA 763, DC-3, KC-10, KC-135, B1B, F-4, F-15, F-16, P-51 (flying in formation with the previous three aircraft, pretty cool,) F-18 (Blue Angles,) F-117, P-51, A-10, Lima-Lima Squadron, various stunt acts, and at least four Kawasaki Jet Skis!
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 25):
So did you get to see your wish come true?



Quoting Hoya (Reply 30):
I went on Saturday, and just before 11am, an AA 763 made a couple passes. Right after it, an AA DC-3 made a pass. Regarding the DC-10, the Air Force's KC-10 did its thing for the air show.

I missed the AA 763! I got out there at about 11:02 thanks to my whining nephew.

I did see the KC-10 and the KC-135, the next best thing. The C-130 Fat Albert did some really really low fly bys!

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Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting Hoya (Reply 30):



Quoting Hoya (Reply 30):
I went on Saturday, and just before 11am, an AA 763 made a couple passes. Right after it, an AA DC-3 made a pass.

A little self-gloss here - I was at the Aviation Store in ORD on Saturday afternoon and the pilots for the DC-3 and the 767 were in the store at the sametime chatting away with the store owner giving him the details of their show that morining.. (500 ft - flaps 25 - turn heading 040 type of detail). I almost wet my pants..

Got to chat with the pilots for a few..

Then headed to a friedss party high above the John Hancock.. looking down on the Blue Angels..  Smile
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Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 33):
Got to chat with the pilots for a few..

You lucky dog! My jaw would have hit the floor!

I was listening to them on my scanner on Sunday. Thought it was interesting that the 763 was referred to as "Chicago" and the DC3 was referred to as "Detroit." I listened from when the 763 got VFR clearance and met up with the DC3 out over the lake (I could see them with my binoculars, I'd say maybe as far north as Touhy Ave.) They flew around for about 20 minutes before they entered the flight line. As they approached, they said they were to be at and remain at 1200agl at the flight line. Great stuff to see and hear. I got some pics, but nothing near a.net quality.

It might sound stupid, but I also sent off an email to AA thanking them for the display, and wishing more of the same next year and the following year (which is the 50th Chicago Air & Water Show.) It would be great if anyone else has a chance to do the same - the more positive response they get, the more likely they'll do it again, right? I mentioned I would really like to see AA fly, in formation, a 777, 767, 757, 737, MD80 and the DC3. Now that would be something to remember!
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 18):
It could be too risky, may not sit well with people, and could be a bad PR move for any airline after 9/11

Harmony did that at the firworks last year and 911 got quite a few calls thinking it was highjacked (flew low over vancouver bc)
 
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Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:01 am

Here's the reply from AA I just received about the air show (pretty fast reply - about 6 hours!) Nice PR, AA!

Dear Mr. (Airfinair):

We are very pleased and honored to receive your commendation regarding the 48th Annual Chicago Air and Water Show!! I am always in awe at the millions of people that converge upon the lakefront to watch the magnificence of this show against the beautiful backdrop of our city skyline !

We are equally privileged to partner with the Mayor’s Office of Special Events along with all of the other sponsors, to include The Boeing Company and The Shell Oil Company, to make this year’s show a very pleasant and awe inspiring experience for you….especially here in The Windy City !!

This year, American Airlines celebrates 80 years of serving Chicago when a little known aviator called Charles Lindbergh took off from Chicago headed for St. Louis from a single engine bi-plane carrying mail for an organization that would grow to become today’s world’s largest airline – American Airlines !

We therefore were very proud to be able to showcase “Flagship Detroit” (DC3) and “Flagship Chicago” (767). These two aircraft demonstrated the state-of-the-art in aviation upon their respective introductions to the American Airlines fleet.

Today, with the 767, the 777, and a wide-ranging fleet of other Boeing and former Douglas aircraft, American Airlines offers the Chicago traveler more than 500 daily departures to 120 worldwide destinations – Chicago is American Airlines’ Gateway to the World !

On behalf of the 10,000 based employees of Chicago, we thank you for your feedback and look forward to serving you on board our flights. We will most certainly pass along your commendations to our esteemed Pilots and look forward to seeing you at next year’s Chicago Air and Water Show!!

With best regards and appreciation,

Judi Gorman

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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 34):
It might sound stupid, but I also sent off an email to AA thanking them for the display, and wishing more of the same next year and the following year (which is the 50th Chicago Air & Water Show.) It would be great if anyone else has a chance to do the same - the more positive response they get, the more likely they'll do it again, right? I mentioned I would really like to see AA fly, in formation, a 777, 767, 757, 737, MD80 and the DC3. Now that would be something to remember!

I of course already did that with United. They promised they would do a bowling pin formation with the 747 in the front followed by a 777 and 767, followed by a 757 which is flanked by a 737 and A320. Kind of like this Delta commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXUpW1KqOl4&eurl=
 
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RE: Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?

Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 37):
I of course already did that with United.

Was that before or after 9/11 / bankruptcy?
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