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UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:03 pm

First time post here on a.net, so i'll try and make it a good one. Recently read that UA is adding 40 new flights to Asia in 2007. I'm curious as to which destinations they're adding or supplementing service to. I've also read that UA's widebodies are highly utilized as is so how are they achieving this with the fleet as is? All responses are apppreciated thanks.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:13 pm

United is adding service from SFO to HKG with B777 equipment, also SFO-TPE with B744 frames. United Airlines is also making SFO-ICN year round, as it once was. Sorry to say, no NRT expansion...
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:43 pm

In addition is the IAD-PEK application. Not that its a lock, but IMHO it has a good chance being capital to capital service. I'd love to see UA continue with more SFO-Asia expansion.

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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:48 pm

United needs more frames to continue any such expansion. We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:58 pm

UANrt: No doubt! I know you guys don't have enough frames. But its always nice to see SFO additions.

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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
United needs more frames to continue any such expansion. We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.

Care to share?

I can only image the miriad of routes possibilities for UA. Their Asian strategy is better than NW's. I think it is mainly because they have 777s which can be used on thinner routes that a 744 is overkill. Once NW has their 787s, it will be a good battle between these two legacies in Asia.

If anything I would think that UA would at some point consider SFO-SGN non-stop and if it were a perfect world start SFO-MSP to catch the large Hmong, Laotian and Vietnamese population there.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:30 pm

Centrair: I think UA has been looking at non-stop SGN. Wasn't the SFO-SGN via HKG started till UA could get authority for non-stop?

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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:35 pm

SFO-SGN nonstop is too much for the B744 frames to handle with a decent load. Hell, i wish they did it.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:38 pm

Surely we will see a west coast service (SFO) to India at some stage as well??!!
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:43 pm

SFO-India is a push too for the B744. That means any expansion is through, no don't say it, NARITA! or those losers in HKG..

In all seriousness, SFO to India is too much length for a decent payload.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:32 pm

And the shifted flight from JFK - NRT which now ist IAD - NRT.
But I guess that doesn't really count since it is not an expansion.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:33 pm

And the shifted flight from JFK - NRT which now is IAD - NRT.
But I guess that doesn't really count since it is not an expansion.

When is UA allowed to order an take delivery of new A/C since their long haul fleet is near full utilisation?

[Edited 2006-08-18 14:36:25]
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.

Any plans to connect India from the NRT hub? As already mentioned, non-stop SFO-India is a stretch, hence it would have to be through either NRT/HKG.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
United needs more frames to continue any such expansion. We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.



Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
No doubt! I know you guys don't have enough frames. But its always nice to see SFO additions.

Doesn't UA have some 744's and T7's sitting somewhere in the desert?? I believe I''ve seen some pics in the database but can't find them since I don't know what airport.

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 9):
SFO-India is a push too for the B744. That means any expansion is through, no don't say it, NARITA! or those losers in HKG..

That's where the 772LR comes in handy. I heard IA will try that route non-stop with an LR.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 13):
Doesn't UA have some 744's and T7's sitting somewhere in the desert?? I believe I''ve seen some pics in the database but can't find them since I don't know what airport.

All of UA's returned 772s went to other airlines. UA does have a number of 744s in storage, but they all need their heavy maintenance ("D" checks) and that is very expensive in both money and time so UA needs to be sure that they really are needed before they invest in restoring them since even with "wage normalization" with the 777, the 747 still has a higher operating cost and break-even load point.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:45 pm

Any UA expansion is good news for leasure pax in Asia as they are effectively operation as a LCC (in terms of price and service) between major Asian airports such as NRT-HGK, NRT-BKK, NRT -SIN etc. Return Y fares are available for as little as USD200 for these routes in Japan.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:04 pm

Would sure love to see UA returning their non-stop LAX-MEL service, sometime!

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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:18 pm

CX,

Those Y fares are hard to come by these days. UA simply isn't giving away Y seats to local travel agencies like they used to. I'd say of late it has been JAL with the seat dumping more than anyone else.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 16):
Would sure love to see UA returning their non-stop LAX-MEL service, sometime!

I tend to think this will not happen since UA's 744s are inferior in performance to QF's 744ERs and QF has issues with maximum payload on this route using those birds.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
If anything I would think that UA would at some point consider SFO-SGN non-stop and if it were a perfect world start SFO-MSP to catch the large Hmong, Laotian and Vietnamese population there.

Is there approval for US-Vietnam nonstop? I thought the authority given is only for one stop via HKG. I never knew that the twin cities had a large vietnamese population. I always thought they were mostly northern Europeans.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 16):
Would sure love to see UA returning their non-stop LAX-MEL service, sometime!

UA could operate the route, but it would be weight restricted. UA does face weight restrictions on LAX-SYD when it has to list MEL as an alternate due to weather.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 9):
In all seriousness, SFO to India is too much length for a decent payload.

They could use a 777 out of ORD. Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):
Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.

Too busy devoting resources to Kuwait =P
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):
Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.

I almost think that a 1-stop to BOM/DEL as an extension of their KWI service might actually be workable (assuming they have 5th freedom out of KWI). There is quite a bit of traffic between India and Middle east.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):
They could use a 777 out of ORD. Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.

Especially since their call centers are there! I agree, tho, it's a booming market.


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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 21):
Too busy devoting resources to Kuwait =P

I guess. Strange an American carrier wanting to fly 3X to KWI as against 7X to any of the bigger cities in India. LOL....it would be great if UA is going to get some benefit from oil companies out of this.

Personally I think UA is afraid of competiton with every other American long haul carrier flying into India and several European carriers doubling their flights into the region. Why would anybody choose UA over LH or BA if they decided to operate out of the East cost and over SQ or CX if they operated out of West coast. The only best bet for them is to operate non-stops but again they lost the first mover advantage to AA, CO and DAL.

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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 24):
I guess. Strange an American carrier wanting to fly 3X to KWI as against 7X to any of the bigger cities in India.

Yes I would have expected Continental to be the one to fly to KWI. There is so much money in Kuwait that the government pays the citizens and gives them jobs too. Continental seems to be the big oil airline in the United States. UA is a big player in Asia and use to serve DEL, so I'm just so surprised that they have kept out of India. Their 747s should be able to do ORD-DEL, although UA does heavily cooperate with Lufthansa, and Lufthansa is the largest European airline in India. Tons and tons of people connect in FRA with Lufthansa and continue on to India.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):

United's B777 would have a very miserable payload though.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 24):

Personally I think UA is afraid of competiton with every other American long haul carrier flying into India and several European carriers doubling their flights into the region. Why would anybody choose UA over LH or BA if they decided to operate out of the East cost and over SQ or CX if they operated out of West coast. The only best bet for them is to operate non-stops but again they lost the first mover advantage to AA, CO and DAL.

Maybe UA wants to deploy its planes where it thinks it can make the most money. Flying a route such as ORD-DEL in competition with AA might just kill the market for everybody. Airlines today can't indulge themselves playing the spoiler, they need to make profits on these routes. They'll have the KWI route to themselves.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting UA933 (Reply 11):
When is UA allowed to order an take delivery of new A/C since their long haul fleet is near full utilisation

since UA is now out of bankruptcy they can order planes whenever they want too. Of course the order backlog of both Airbus & Boeing is quite large right now.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 28):
since UA is now out of bankruptcy they can order planes whenever they want too.

Not necessarily. The goal of exiting BKK is to avoid piling up debt...again. UA would be best served saving some cash on hand in anticipation of rising oil prices, fleet refurbishments, etc. New orders will happen eventually but there's no rush just yet. I think we'll continue to see UA consolidate routes and maximize pax loads to ensure that they're using their fleet to the utmost of its efficiency before they start adding a/c.

With all of the merger rumors flying around, it's important to consider what kind of an effect that would have on a "new" carrier. Mergers would result in reduced capacity brought on by consolidation. On the other hand, that would probably free up other airframes for the long range routes that have been discussed here. Perhaps UA is taking a "wait and see" attitude.



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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 28):
since UA is now out of bankruptcy they can order planes whenever they want too. Of course the order backlog of both Airbus & Boeing is quite large right now.

Not true. They need cash. Either equity capital (which they do not have enough of) or they need debt capital (which they have too much of).  Smile
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting CHIFLYGUY (Reply 27):
Maybe UA wants to deploy its planes where it thinks it can make the most money.

Are yields on that route really so high? If they were I am sure LH, BA and all other mainline European carriers would be serving them 7X by now considering these airlines have been operating in the region for years. Might be there are other reasons though.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 31):
Are yields on that route really so high?

They could be seeing nice government traffic IAD-KWI (which then connect onto Iraq, DOH and other Middle Eastern destinations). Also, I know UA did a good bit of troop charter service to KWI (my friend deployed there in a UA 744 - even snagged a First Suite!).
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 19):
I never knew that the twin cities had a large vietnamese population. I always thought they were mostly northern Europeans.

This is a side note. After the Vietnam war, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Luthern organizations in the Twin Cities sponsored many Vietnamese, Hmong, Laotian and Cambodian families from refugee camps in Hong Kong, Thaniland and Malyasia. The population is very high. The largest populations of these groups outside of the West Coast (LA is #1) and their countries are in Minnesota and Central Wisconsin. There are even Luthern Churches with Hmong services. Written Hmong was developed by a professor of linguistics at the University of Wisconsin Stevens Point just to help deal with the influx in the region.

Back on topic...

As UnitedNRT said non-stop to SGN would be too much for a 744 and 777 might not be best. I guess UA needs 787s.

I would love to see UA restart flights to MNL and take a little from NW.
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Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
They could be seeing nice government traffic IAD-KWI (which then connect onto Iraq, DOH and other Middle Eastern destinations). Also, I know UA did a good bit of troop charter service to KWI (my friend deployed there in a UA 744 - even snagged a First Suite!).

I think they are going to make a lot of money on this route. There is a considerable amount of USG travel to the middle east and Afghanistan from IAD, and right now they fly UA to FRA and then on LH onward.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 33):
I would love to see UA restart flights to MNL and take a little from NW.

I'd be surprised. It's been my experience that MNL doesn't bring the greatest yields.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:48 am

How about other cities like KUL, PUS and CGK? Would UA ever consider those routes either from SFO or through HKG?

Probably a really wild idea, but how about VVO? Would there be a market for this flight, say 3x week?
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 1):
United is adding service from SFO to HKG with B777 equipment, also SFO-TPE with B744 frames. United Airlines is also making SFO-ICN year round, as it once was. Sorry to say, no NRT expansion...

I like the fact whimpy AA has basically given up on its SJC-international flights.....too bad AA didn't decide to go out of SFO....NoCal is huge, and NoCal also has a large AA FF population.....SJC-TPE did well as it is....

Same with ORD-HKG....probably see CX enter that route before AA decides to do anything...granted that AA probably would need to get rights to fly to HKG, but UA is taking that route to the bank without any competition...

The "need more planes" is an excuse I don't buy, if AA needed some, they could have gotten some...

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 13):

That's where the 772LR comes in handy. I heard IA will try that route non-stop with an LR.

bring some -200LR's over to SFO..I'm ready.. bigthumbsup 

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):

They could use a 777 out of ORD. Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.

I think AA could be start flying ORD-BRU-BOM route with some success....no weight restrictions at all...
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
If anything I would think that UA would at some point consider SFO-SGN non-stop and if it were a perfect world start SFO-MSP to catch the large Hmong, Laotian and Vietnamese population there

There is no need for UAL to operate a SFO-MSP service as the Calfornia market generates over 70% of United Airlines West Coast - Asia market. In addition the cities of Minnespolis, Milwaukee, and Madison are not even in the running for most Vietnamese. As can be easily found the highest concentration of Vietnamese in the United States are in the Bay Area, Central Valley, and Los Angeles region of California. As far as Laotian and Hmong, there is near sero need to connect passengers due to an almost non-existent demand and VFR. If there was any demand UAL/NWA would have opened the route already.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 33):
The largest populations of these groups outside of the West Coast (LA is #1) and their countries are in Minnesota and Central Wisconsin.

I would have to refute your information per the following. In additon the following lists the larger U.S. cities with notable Vietnamese populations:

*San Jose, California
*Garden Grove, California
*Houston, Texas
*San Diego, California
*Westminster, California
*Los Angeles, California
*Santa Ana, California
*Seattle, Washington
*Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
*New York City, New York
*Boston, Massachusetts
*San Francisco, California
*Portland, Oregon
*Anaheim, California

Source - Wikipedia

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_...ge_Vietnamese_American_populations

Please also find e below link to the highest concentrations of Asian-Americans in the United States

Source - Wikipedia

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_2000_asian_density.gif
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:58 am

OK, I hate to rain on the parade, but 40 new routes to Asia? Where is the source of this info?

Additionally, we'd have to buy more aircraft to pull off 40 new routes to anywhere. We're not allowed to purchase aircraft until 2008 which means delivery at no earlier than 2009-10.

Nice idea, and I'd love it if it were true, but seems questionable.

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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 39):
OK, I hate to rain on the parade, but 40 new routes to Asia? Where is the source of this info?

Additionally, we'd have to buy more aircraft to pull off 40 new routes to anywhere. We're not allowed to purchase aircraft until 2008 which means delivery at no earlier than 2009-10

Hasnt it been discussed before. With the elimination for JFK-NRT/JFK-LHR equipment is now being freed up for a new IAD-KWI/IAD-NRT service in addition thinking about it the rotation seems short. That would require 4 777 aircraft? The above two are comfirmed and available for sale on UAL.com

Other mentioned expansions include SFO-TPE via the 744? - This I cannot see, at best a 777. The only way it would be a 744 is if UAL free's up a NRT or NGO slot. This would then afford the capacity to resume the 744 on a SFO-TPE nonstop. Other mentions include the 777 from SFO-ICN which both dropped capacity and was shut down for a number of months in favor of 2 x daily NRT-ICN 777 equipment. Lastly the resumption of a second daily SFO-HKG service with the 777 - I somehow think it will end up being a 744 departing in the late evening alongside that of CX or SQ. Additional rumblings include resuming the LAX-HKG 744 service. Now having all of that said what is coming out of the desert, and what current 744/777 service will be emlinated to start all of these new yet to be confirmed flights? There is a lot of talk that UAL will indeed be releasing more NRT slots/frequencies in favor of increased Asian nonstop service from the West Coast that would not be routed though Narita.

Could one of the NRT slots be sold to Delta for a JFK-NRT?
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:40 pm

FA4UA: Chicago Tribune is the source.

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=21517

You misread. 40 new flights, not routes!~

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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 36):
Probably a really wild idea, but how about VVO? Would there be a market for this flight, say 3x week?

Interesting concept. We'd probably see AS in VVO (Vladivostok) before UA. Is there much oil business yet to be developed in the Russian Far East? I would think those reserves could be tapped....
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 38):
I would have to refute your information per the following. In additon the following lists the larger U.S. cities with notable Vietnamese populations:

Not to get too far off topic, but I suspect Centrair was referring specifically to the Hmong and Laotian populations, which are very significant in the Twin Cities area. As for Vietnamese populations, you're right that there are larger concentrations elsewhere.

MN has the second-largest concentration of Hmong immigrants of any state after CA, and the Twin Cities has the second largest ubran center of Hmong population in the world. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota#Race_and_ancestry

MN has the third-largest number of Lao immigrants of any State and the Twin Cities had the fourth-largest number of Lao immigrants of any metropolitan area in the United States, according to the 2000 U.S. Census. Source: http://www.hmongstudies.org/LaoCensusData.html


Nonetheless, a MSP-SFO-SGN flight isn't really necesary as folks in MN can simply connect through ORD and HKG to get to SGN on UA.

Now as far as UA traffic increases in Asia goes, it sounds like they're making smart choices and being conservative in their new routes and route expansions. Probably a good idea for a company just a few months out of bankruptcy.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 40):
Other mentioned expansions include SFO-TPE via the 744? - This I cannot see, at best a 777.

"United’s reinstatement of its service between San Francisco and Taipei, which will be on a Boeing 747, begins on April 1, 2007, and includes the following schedule":

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Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 40):
Lastly the resumption of a second daily SFO-HKG service with the 777

They are adding 3 more weekly frequencies for a total of 10 flights per week.
 
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Aaron747
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:03 pm

The only way it would be a 744 is if UAL free's up a NRT or NGO slot.

Not sure I understand your reasoning here as there are no 744 turns through NGO.
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:12 pm

It seems HKG is getting more flights again! Before 9/11 they had non stops to LAX and JFK, though JFK didn't last long. I'm surprised they havn't resumed the LAX flight being that CX are now 3 daily all 744's! If its true that SFO-HKG is increasing then I guess they may not restart the LAX service? There must be money to be made there! Will they up ORD-HKG to double daily? Now running 10 weekly 744's.

If only they would come back to AKL. It won't happen though in the medium term I doubt if ever.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 46):
If only they would come back to AKL. It won't happen though in the medium term I doubt if ever.

ZK-NBT,
isnt NZ basically paying off UA to not fly to AKL???or at least shared revenue on the USA-NZ routes???....i could have sworn there was a thread a while back to that????
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 47):
isnt NZ basically paying off UA to not fly to AKL???or at least shared revenue on the USA-NZ routes???

I don't think NZ are paying UA anything, UA do have some seats on NZ's flights though and get the revenue off that.
 
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RE: UA Expansion In Asia

Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:35 pm

I mentioned in another thread about the HNL-KIX maybe being on the chopping block. If UA does decide to chop this route, that will free up another 777.

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