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Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:31 am

Seeing as how Boeing has the 737-700ER and the 737-900ER, wouldn't there be a market for a 738ER?

Doesn't the 738BBJ basically translate into the makings a 738ER?

What's your take?
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:36 am

So, the B739ER was a no-brainer, given the limitations of the original B739 (as far as I'm concerned, they should have done it in the first place). The, B73GER was customer driven (ANA asked for it, IIRC). I wouldn't be surprised that, if a customer asks for a B738ER, then Boeing will probably offer it. As you're saying, they have the BBJ2 to base it on.

But, hey, what do I know?  Smile

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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:37 am

If an airline wants it and is willing to pay for it, then it will happen, but I don't think Boeing will just offer it. The 737-700ER only has two orders from NH IIRC, but they are enough to pay for the development of a plane that has been mostly developed already.
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:47 am

I dont think so.....the 739ER simply brought that variant's performance inline with other members of the 737NG family and allows operations on US transcon and similiar length segments without constant restrictions and issues. It also corrected the maximum capacity issue....the fact that the 739A had a limitation of 189 pax (the same limit as 738s) due to emergency exit design made the variant uninteresting to European holiday airlines. As for the 737-700ER, as posted, it was a special request from ANA.

I really dont see the need or market for a 738ER......the 738 already offers a lot of performance and very few carriers use the type anywhere close to its operarational limits.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 1):
But, hey, what do I know?

Same here....time will tell.
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:57 am

IIRC Boeing did mention in an av-mag article, when the B739ER concept was born, that they could offer a B738ER with the new flat aft bulkhead and stronger landing gear, range would be boosted somewhat...

www.flightglobal.com mentions that the B739ER may have longer range than expected, test flights will show if that is true. If so, I'll bet that the B739ER will be the preferred version of the two. I think the B739ER will cross the Atlantic on scheduled flights eventually, Boeing makes very capable planes...
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am

What we'd really like to see is a 737-800IGW. Doesn't look like one is in the future though.
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
I think the B739ER will cross the Atlantic on scheduled flights eventually, Boeing makes very capable planes...

Will have to extend the ETOPS plan from the current one then as it would not be lengthy enough. All 3 NG's currently are ETOPS but sending one across the Atlantic, would first need to see more endurance tests to make for a extended range on one engine.
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 6):

Will have to extend the ETOPS plan from the current one then as it would not be lengthy enough. All 3 NG's currently are ETOPS but sending one across the Atlantic, would first need to see more endurance tests to make for a extended range on one engine.

Hey Phil......

The 737NGs are not going accorss the Atlantic, either at CO or most other carriers, the range is too tight. Even if the 739ER is performing better than expected (good to hear....go Boeing!) as mentioned by another poster, there will still not be enough range for comfortable transatlantic operations between EWR and most European cities when taking all of the factors into account. If the 739ER is performing better than expected, we could see the type end up on some CO routes to Latin America out of EWR and IAH....that could be interesting.
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):

Hey Phil......

The 737NGs are not going accorss the Atlantic, either at CO or most other carriers, the range is too tight. Even if the 739ER is performing better than expected (good to hear....go Boeing!) as mentioned by another poster, there will still not be enough range for comfortable transatlantic operations between EWR and most European cities when taking all of the factors into account. If the 739ER is performing better than expected, we could see the type end up on some CO routes to Latin America out of EWR and IAH....that could be interesting.

Hey there!...... (not sure you want your name shown here...I know what it is though....  

I agree, I was just commenting what it would also take to get one across the pond, EVEN IF someone(with 900ER's) was possibly thining about starting that kind of service. As you said, it's probably not going to happen with any carrier.

How's it going? Hope all is well with you.

Phil

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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 8):
Hey there!...... (not sure you want your name shown here...I know what it is though

LOL!!! So you figured out that I am Larry.

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 8):
I agree, I was just commenting what it would also take to get one across the pond, EVEN IF someone(with 900ER's) was possibly thining about starting that kind of service. As you said, it's probably not going to happen with any carri

A poster above suggested 739ERs on transatlantic which we both think is unlikely.

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 8):
How's it going? Hope all is well with you.

Great, thanks....on CO 061 connecting to CO 1601 (BRU-EWR-FLL) on Wednesday, havent flown since the security scare at LHR, so am curious to see how it goes........I purposely am doing a long connex at EWR.
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
LOL!!! So you figured out that I am Larry.

Per our conversation, off line a couple months ago. Now that I know it's ok, will address you as Larry... 

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
A poster above suggested 739ERs on transatlantic which we both think is unlikely

Give "an extra mile" with these new planes(compared to the old ones) and they want to straight the gezibas out of them to "ultra miles"    Geezes! Just won't happen.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
Great, thanks....on CO 061 connecting to CO 1601 (BRU-EWR-FLL) on Wednesday, havent flown since the security scare at LHR, so am curious to see how it goes........I purposely am doing a long connex at EWR.

You testing the connect time, etc. there at EWR? When I came back from BOG last time in June, my wife and I had to overnight there in EWR as the last connect to PHX had already left. So, we didn't get a chance to see how the connect times are going. Normally we go through IAH but were bumped (being standbys).
I'm headed to BOG here myself in a couple weeks down through Colombia back to Brazil(other home) for a few days. Will also be interested as well on how things are since LHR. Haven't flown airlines since 6/17. Done some of my own flying though, but don't really see anything with security flying your own as much compared to airlines flying.

Happy flying Weds! take care

Phil

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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
The 737NGs are not going accorss the Atlantic, either at CO or most other carriers

I recall that there are some European carriers operating the 737NG's across the Atlantic in what would be equivalent to a BBJ, or an all-business class setup. With that setup, I'm fairly sure they can fly Germany to the west-coast of the States.
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 11):

I recall that there are some European carriers operating the 737NG's across the Atlantic in what would be equivalent to a BBJ, or an all-business class setup. With that setup, I'm fairly sure they can fly Germany to the west-coast of the States.

Privtair flies BBJs (and ACJs) on certain transatlantic segments for KL and LH....the BBJs have different capabilites than the 737NG, are configured for only 48 pax (for a 73G sized BBJ1) and do not haul cargo (plus take limited baggage).....lots of issues to consider.

KL has a Privatair operated BBJ2 flight on the IAH-AMS route......anyone now how ops are going on that route? There were some unconfirmed reports (lets say rumors) that the flight has paid a few visits to Gander, is this true???
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
A poster above suggested 739ERs on transatlantic which we both think is unlikely.

Why is that? EWR isn't the only airport on the North American East Coast. Icelandair might find the B739ER useful if they want to replace some of their B757s, leisure carriers can fly Europe-YYT/BGR/YHZ-Can/US on flights where the B767 or A330 is too big, Westjet could start YHZ-London, FlyGlobespan could start GLA-YHZ or BOS...

Smaller carriers can try out new concepts with the B739ER, especially in this point-to-point day and age, and 180 ETOPS should suffice for most routes.

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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:26 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
the 738 already offers a lot of performance and very few carriers use the type anywhere close to its operarational limits.

I think FJ use their B738s and B73G close to its limit on its NAN-HNL-YVR route
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12):
KL has a Privatair operated BBJ2 flight on the IAH-AMS route

It is a 700/BBJ, not a 800/BBJ2 that serves that route.

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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 13):

Why is that? EWR isn't the only airport on the North American East Coast. Icelandair might find the B739ER useful if they want to replace some of their B757s, leisure carriers can fly Europe-YYT/BGR/YHZ-Can/US on flights where the B767 or A330 is too big, Westjet could start YHZ-London, FlyGlobespan could start GLA-YHZ or BOS...

Smaller carriers can try out new concepts with the B739ER, especially in this point-to-point day and age, and 180 ETOPS should suffice for most routes.


Everyone keeps forgetting that the 737NGs simply do not have the range for most transatlantic routes.....east coast to UK/Ireland is the limit, and even those routes would be troublesome when considering factors such as winds, weather, ATC issues, alternate airports and diversions. Its a headache....the 757 has considerably more range than any member of the 737NG family.

As for charter carriers, we could see some of them doing transatlantic routes with the 739ER......but none of them have ordered the type yet. Also, a 739ER with 200+seats and baggage for such pax would also have issues. Icelandair is thinking 787, not 739 for future operarations.
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:46 pm

I think the 737 replacement should have the range of 737-700ER. Hopefully we will see it in 2012
 
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RE: Will We See A 738ER?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 13):
FlyGlobespan could start GLA-YHZ or BOS..

GLA-BOS with GSM is on sale already..

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